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Wooly Rupert
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Ideas can be intro'ed without being crazy ideas, and it can be done while maintaining continuity.

I find it constantly irksome to be told that what was done before can't be done now.

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snotereceorlas
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Quale

Wotc are going to cover multiple eras, they said that a few months ago, why all this talk about a reboot?



Perhaps because we are fans of the setting and we have definite ideas for what we want? Perhaps because we don't know what WotC considers supporting multiple eras?



Multiple timelines in theory could be run, of course. But to get this clear: mulitple timelines means at least one with Spellplague and one where it didn't happen - does it? When i first read "multiple timelines" i thought we would have a supported campaign in the Arcane Age, another set in 1000DR and so on. i think i got the wrong end of the stick (as often).

In point of fact i love the history of the realms just as... well, history. i have bought lots and lots of FR material for no other reason than i wanted to find out what happened when, or who did what in 1026 in Waterdeep etc. This includes 3e/4e and earlier. Lots of my money going on WotC products that i had no strict intention to put to any immediate use.

quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Quale

Wotc are going to cover multiple eras, they said that a few months ago, why all this talk about a reboot?



Multiple eras doesn't change the fact that many don't like the Spellplague Realms, period. Nor does multiple era support solve the original problem, which is that many people wanted to see the 3E Realms evolve as it would have otherwise. You can't have that because eventually as you advance it you're going to run right into the Spellplague Realms. I'd prefer a Realms that can move past the date in which the Spellplague occured without the Spellplague existing.



I would prefer to move through the spellplague and find a way for some plucky adventurers to bring healing to the realms, so people in Cormyr, for instance, can say: 'The spellplague? I remember that. It was nasty. Just as well everything's alright now thanks to that Cleric and his sister...'

(Cleric and sister - the two main characters in my novel!)

A big problem to my mind is what happens to all the fiction written by RA Salvatore and all the others about the spellplague and its effects? Bruneor and most of his friends are now in a kind of private paradise and we have lost them... and so on.

Andrew
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CorellonsDevout
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Wow, I joined this conversation late. Go me. I have not read through the whole thread, so forgive me if there is repetition. Like many, I was not happy with 4e, mainly for the killing of some of the gods and the time jump. While I wish it never happened, and while a reboot would be good in some respects, it would also be a big slap in the face for the authors/designers who worked in 4e, and there were some good novels that came out of 4e (mechanics don't really apply to me since I mainly read the novels). There were ones I greatly enjoyed, and I read them because I wanted to know what happens. And since I have all these novels, to suddenly have books on my shelf that imply these events never happened would be...weird. Besides, how far back would the retcon go? Would the ToT never have happened? And I actually LIKED the reclamation of Myth Drannor, thank you. Or, would it just go back to 1385 and something other than the Spellplague happen? If there -was- going to be a retcon, this is where I personally think it should start. But, again, this would be a jab at all the post-Spellplague books.

About there being support for all eras, and again, for me, this concerns the novels: in theory, this is a good idea, because it would allow authors to write about things they hadn't before, and would give those who don't want to know what happens in 4e-5e some "new material" to read. But, at least for me, say something happened in a certain area in 4e--or even 5e--that wasn't very pleasing. If we read a story that took place pre-Spellplague, I'd be like "well, this is great, but this place gets murderized later". That would make for a hard read. Granted, I wouldn't have to read it if I didn't want to, but the fact is it'd still be there. I'm sure people disagree with me, and I know I've said something along these lines before, but since this thread is discussing such things, I thought I'd share my views.

I think the reason why so many people are wary of 5e is because of what happened in 4e. They don't want to have another let-down. I myself am wary, but it is the Realms, so I will give it a chance. There are novels I'm waiting on sequels for, anyway.

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Gustaveren
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It is very difficult to build emotional ties to places in a campaign world if you and the players know that place will later be destroyed in a cataclysm. It is also very difficult to feel that the heroic deeds of the adventures have value when you know, that no matter what sacrifices you make, will that village you are trying to save be destroyed in a coming cataclysm.
It do mean, at least for persons like me, that I have to cut of the entire 4e and 5e timeline in order for it to feel great to play in the 3e timeline.
The 4e and 5e realms simply did not happen and none of the novels from that time period would exist, in fact I would avoid reading them
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Markustay
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However, I feel it only really affects the published Realms, and NOT the ones we game in (since technically, everyone of us is running a 'parallel world') That means the Spellplague need never happen in our campaigns, just as the ToT never happened in a lot of people's (including Ed's).

The ONLY people who are affected by the canon Realms are the authors - they are STUCK with that continuity, and if fans don't like it, that means we won't want to read their books. It doesn't mean we can't just go on enjoying the Realms as a D&D setting.

The game Realms are a buffet, from which we can pick & choose; the novels are the only thing wearing the shackles of continuity. They hurt themselves, not us. My Realms are whatever I say they are. I don't need the novels - I read them if I like the subject matter. They want to shoot themselves in the foot, so be it. Its not our jobs in jeopardy. People have to realize the truth is no-one is more desperate for 5e FR to succeed then them. If it fails, I still eat next week, and so do most of the rest of us.


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CorellonsDevout
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Not to step on your toes, Markustay, but some of us only read the novels. I've bought some sourcebooks, yes, but they are mainly for references. So continuity is very important to people like myself, who are affected by the novels, as the authors are. And those authors deserve a say, and respect. Of course gamers can choose what to use and what to leave out, but novel readers such as myself are more directly affected by what goes on in the Realms.

I roleplay through writing with friends, and do I take liberties with the Realms. For example, in one such RP Eilistraee and Vhaeraun are alive and well and Shevarash is currently walking the world disguised as an elf named Korryl. But that doesn't mean I'm not affected and don't care about what happens in the novels. I was introduced to the Realms through the novels, not the game. I have high respect for the game, don't get me wrong, but if the novels didn't matter, they probably wouldn't exist in the first place.

And from a marketing standpoint, even if the gamers can still pick and choose, if 5e fails with the novels, WofC will still lose a lot of fans, and thus money.

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Chosen of Asmodeus
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Posted - 23 Oct 2012 :  09:08:52  Show Profile  Visit Chosen of Asmodeus's Homepage Send Chosen of Asmodeus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I personally consider the realms, and all D&D settings save maybe Dragonlance, to be game/RP worlds first and novel worlds second. I think the novels help add a lot of depth and color to the world, help expand it, and are a wellspring of inspiration for character behavior within the setting, but I don't feel particularly bound to see any of them as canon within my games.

For instance, I loved Erik's novel, Shadowbane, painted a great picture of Luskan and I've been toying around with setting an rp there in the basic time frame of the novel, but it would completely disregard the ending. And the better part of the middle, for that matter.

Anyway, knowing impending catastrophe is coming doesn't invalidate the accomplishments or adventures of a party set before the Spellplague or before the Time of Troubles, unless it takes place literally the day before. To me, it's one of those things that adds a sense of tragedy to the world. And I'm a big fan of tragedy.


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CorellonsDevout
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Haha yet another thing we disagree on XD I'm not a big fan of tragedy. I don't expect--or want--the stories to be all all happy and fluffy. There needs to be some conflict, otherwise you wouldn't have much of a story. And fantasy makes for epic conflict. But I like at least semi-happy endings.

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Chosen of Asmodeus
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Well, I enjoy bittersweet endings, myself, with happy endings being something that need to be earned and suffered for.

But, say I were to write a story set in the real world in Haiti a year before that earthquake hit. About a missionary or a charity worker or just a concerned citizen working to build a school for at risk children or some such. An inspiring tale of working to make the world a better place.

Is the merits of that story invalidated because, inevitably, an earthquake is going to hit and reduce the school they worked so hard to build to rubble? Or is it simply a new challenge put in their path to be overcome?

To me, the Spellplague is just another challenge the world must face and overcome, and possibly a gift to be harnessed and utilized(Big supporter of the Order of Blue Fire). It shook up the status quo- took a sledge hammer to it, really- but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. Gives people a chance to grow in unexpected ways and develop in new directions.

Suffering builds character.

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CorellonsDevout
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Mmm, point taken. I guess it would depend on the story/tragedy then. I don't think a character with a perfect life would be very interesting. Heck, plenty of my characters have had terrible pasts that they have to try and overcome. Some author once said (and the name escapes me) "put your characters through hell, but give them a happy ending". Or at least semi-happy. With the Haiti example, yes, I'd probably want to read about the founding of the school (Haiti needs them, after all). And if the story continued after the earthquake, I wouldn't expect it to be "woo, happy ending". What I'd expect to see (and this would depend on how far you took the story) would be them in the "recovery stages", with maybe some promises/hopes to rebuild. A lot of books I've read, after the "big thing", if you will, has happened, people are working to rebuild--be it a city or something else. There are exceptions, but I haven't read many books where whatever was destroyed was completely rebuild at the end. It was in the recovery stage, so to speak.

I like trials and tribulations in a story. If no suffering happened, it would be a pretty boring story. And stirring up the emotions of the reader is part of what makes a good author. So I'm not against characters suffering, be they my own or someone else's. I just like my endings to be at least semi-happy.

So ulmitately, it would depend on the story. There was a lot about the Spellplague I didn't like, but I still read the Realms, and I'm reading some pre-Spellplague stuff. So yeah, depends.

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Tarlyn
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IMO diversity is key especially over a product line stretching many years. Every story being a tragedy is just as boring as every story having the hero winning the day.

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ksu_bond
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quote:
Originally posted by Shadowsoul

quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

At the end of the day, it will be the consensus they must go with, no matter what any of want individually.

I think I've only seen two others with my exact attitude/preference; Jorkens was one, can't remember the other. Basically, what we want, and what we think is best for the game (and FR) are two separate animals. They cannot afford to disenfranchise the fans they have - they tried that and we got 4e (which has lead us straight here).

If not handled delicately, 5e could blow up in their faces all over again.



But if they stayed with the current model I'm sure a change of edition wouldn't bring back those who left. I thought what happened to the Realms was what caused people to leave, not the 4th edition rules. I left FR because the Spellplague was the dumbest thing ever and what happened afterwards.

Pretty much a new edition isn't going to suddenly make people like the change.



I left because of the 4e changes to the Realms, not because of the new editions rules...
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Old Man Harpell
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quote:
Originally posted by ksu_bond
I left because of the 4e changes to the Realms, not because of the new editions rules...


Enough time has passed that we know what the future holds, at least in some respects. The Sundering is their answer to what has gone before.

What we know:

*There will be a complete geographical reset by Ao back to the Old Grey Box-era configuration. I may have the era slightly wrong, but all the big changes wrought by the Sellplague/time jump are going bye-bye, such as Returned Abeir, Tymanther, and Akanul.

*There will be no reboot - what has come before will not be erased, but the timeline will continue forward.

*Many of the old gods are coming back. With a couple of definite exceptions, one person's guess as to which ones in as good as anyone else's.

Most other details are under wraps. I may have left a few released details out (unintentionally), but what we have learned has made me cautiously optimistic. I am one of the biggest grognards amongst all grognards, but I've set aside the funds for this purchase...if I didn't think I had a good chance of being impressed with the effort, I wouldn't have done that. I'm willing to give it the chance it's asking for.

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Wooly Rupert
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As I mentioned before, Ed told me -- personally, in an email, and entirely unprompted -- that he was excited about what was coming. That's good enough for me.

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Eilserus
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I can't wait until 5E drops. Definitely curious as to how things are going to play out. :)
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The Masked Mage
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IDK if this is what it means, but if the question is would I like to see the Forgotten Realms rebooted to say, 1300-1360 DR the answer is a resounding yes. The biggest reason is its an instant restoration of the best rpg setting and richest NPCs ever created.
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The Masked Mage
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quote:
Originally posted by Old Man Harpell

quote:
Originally posted by ksu_bond
I left because of the 4e changes to the Realms, not because of the new editions rules...


Enough time has passed that we know what the future holds, at least in some respects. The Sundering is their answer to what has gone before.

What we know:

*There will be a complete geographical reset by Ao back to the Old Grey Box-era configuration. I may have the era slightly wrong, but all the big changes wrought by the Sellplague/time jump are going bye-bye, such as Returned Abeir, Tymanther, and Akanul.

*There will be no reboot - what has come before will not be erased, but the timeline will continue forward.

*Many of the old gods are coming back. With a couple of definite exceptions, one person's guess as to which ones in as good as anyone else's.

Most other details are under wraps. I may have left a few released details out (unintentionally), but what we have learned has made me cautiously optimistic. I am one of the biggest grognards amongst all grognards, but I've set aside the funds for this purchase...if I didn't think I had a good chance of being impressed with the effort, I wouldn't have done that. I'm willing to give it the chance it's asking for.

- OMH



I'm very much in favor of restoring the old gray box realms and the geography of the FR atlas.

I'm also a huge fan of the restoration of the gods.

However, I don't think that fixes things enough... the biggest problem that 4th E had was that in an instant the hundreds, if not thousands of rich characters were wiped out. From a writer's perspective this might not be all that bad, but from the perspective of someone who is not great at making game characters feel "real" it was a terrible loss.

I don't know if I'd reset to before the time of troubles as one or two suggested. I think that would be over-reaching. But I'd definitely go back to pre-spell plague. To those few who enjoyed those novels so much that it really bothers you I'd say it should not be too hard to keep what you liked without the spellplague. Or if you really like the spellplague you could simply make it a local phenomenon, not unlike wild magic areas, or maybe wild magic areas gone amok.
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LordXenophon
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It doesn't really matter what they do to their version of the Realms. My players no longer live there. Their timeline diverged at the death of King Azoun IV, which they prevented. They went on to save several other of the major characters, rebuild Castle Dragonspear, kill Hobarth three times and then throw him into the Fountain of Nepenthe while he was trying to resurrect Bha'al, turn the Fountain of Nepenthe into one of the holiest sites of the church of Mystra, and establish a school of wizardry which specializes in Abjuration. One of the player characters (Erystalben Majarra) even became a Magister, then retired from adventuring to serve under Azuth as the god of abjurers.

Why would I want to erase all that, just because somebody who isn't Ed Greenwood wants to completely change the Realms? To me, the Gray Box, post Time of Troubles, is definately the era to be in. Many people posting in this thread seem to agree, or to have other old eras they prefer.

I do understand that somebody at WotC decided that there was too much rampant magic in the Realms, but that's why we choose to play in that world. WotC should respect that and give us the magical world that Greenwood created. If you want a world of mostly fighters and rogues, you can always play one of the other D&D worlds.

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ksu_bond
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

As I mentioned before, Ed told me -- personally, in an email, and entirely unprompted -- that he was excited about what was coming. That's good enough for me.



This simple fact and the release of Ed's latest work is why I'm back...if the creator of the setting that I love is excited about what's coming then that gives me reason to be as well...I was holding out hope for 4e but looking back on it I should have heeded Ed's reservations regarding the changes...

That being said I have never ceased my personal endeavors into the Realms, unfortunately the 4e Realms has offered little and as a result I have in corporated little from it. That being said I have found a place for the Spellplague, and incorporated it as a variation of the Wild Magic areas that deteriated due to the "attempted" assassination of Mystra...

So let this be my official return to being an active part of the Realms once again, as well as an active member of the Candlekeep community...now I'll just have to see if I can't drag Kuje back :)
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Jeremy Grenemyer
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quote:
Originally posted by The Masked Mage

However, I don't think that fixes things enough... the biggest problem that 4th E had was that in an instant the hundreds, if not thousands of rich characters were wiped out. From a writer's perspective this might not be all that bad, but from the perspective of someone who is not great at making game characters feel "real" it was a terrible loss.
There are very few campaigns that have introduced more than a small percentage of all the known Realms NPCs from the pre-Spellplague era.

This is fortunate, because the easiest thing for a DM not all that skilled in creating NPCs to do is simply use those old NPCs in his or her post-Spellplague game. That and a DM also has the option to simply change an NPC's name, but keep the NPC description.

Borrowing NPCs from earlier eras of the Realms is really no different than borrowing names and character ideas from other game worlds and from sources outside of D&D, save that doing the former keeps a hefty dose of proper flavor.

I do it all the time and my game is the better for it.

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Lilianviaten
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Does anybody know what the significance of "Rise of the Underdark" is in relation to the Sundering? I didn't really all the books in that RSE, because some were only in ebook format. The big enemies for 4e are supposed to be Thay, Abolethic Sovereignty, Netherese, and Drow. Thay and the Netherese have made major moves, and the Abolethic Sovereignty has made a bit of noise (though they have been underused, in my opinion). What did the drow accomplish in the Rise of the Underdark?
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Old Man Harpell
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Originally posted by LordXenophon
Why would I want to erase all that, just because somebody who isn't Ed Greenwood wants to completely change the Realms? To me, the Gray Box, post Time of Troubles, is definately the era to be in. Many people posting in this thread seem to agree, or to have other old eras they prefer.


I am definitely an 'Old Grey Boxer' (just old and grey, really), and while I can't fault you for your reservations, the simple truth is that there's no going back. A reboot is categorically out of the question, and they're not going to do any other sort of rewind.

Any issues (beloved NPC's are one of mine) that may remain after the release of the latest effort...well, the time to deal with that will be then. For now, we have to put faith in the outlook that Ed himself has for this effort, which seems to strike a positive tone overall.

Let's face it - they're giving us back one aspect of the Realms that a goodly number of us demanded (geographical reset), and in my opinion, in the only manner they realistically can, the one that won't alienate the people who came in during 4th Edition. They've taken steps to not be arbitrary about it and say 'the universe shifted back to the way it was, that's all the explanation needed' - well, no, it isn't, and they know that, and they made it so that there is a good explanation.

I'm sure there will be things I don't like. That's unavoidable, because you can't please all the people all the time. But they're doing their best to listen to us this time around, all of us. I say we wait and see what they offer us before dismissing their effort - even in 4th Edition, they gave us Neverwinter, which I think we can safely say was a superior product. Let's take it on faith that this is a trend that's going to continue.

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quote:
Originally posted by Old Man Harpell



Let's face it - they're giving us back one aspect of the Realms that a goodly number of us demanded (geographical reset), and in my opinion, in the only manner they realistically can, the one that won't alienate the people who came in during 4th Edition. They've taken steps to not be arbitrary about it and say 'the universe shifted back to the way it was, that's all the explanation needed' - well, no, it isn't, and they know that, and they made it so that there is a good explanation.


And what might that be? Becaus Ao (an ambigious being created to change plot/setting at a whim) said so? Because that's the impression I got when reading some of their ideas about bringing back Mexico and Egypt into the Realms. Count me in the "Like" category of Akanűl, Tymanther, and Returned Abeir. I thought these areas had SO MUCH FRICKIN' POTENTIAL and was pretty much dropped in all but one or two Dungeons/Dragon articles plus the FRCG.


As for the Gods coming back, I'll handle them like I did last time (by ignoring their presence unless specifically called out by a player) *shruggs*. Though I am glad that they aren't doing any of that reset nonsense.

As for the 5E Rule, I'm planning another Playtest Party soon using the most revised version so far. They've made some substantial changes since out last one (which didn't go over too well TBO) and I'm hoping for a bit more optimism this time around. The inclusion of the Barbarian, Monk (and I might bring in the Warlock and Sorcerer even though they're discontinued as of yet) will help provide some additional diversity. I'm still leery about a number of mechanical changes that I don't think are being handled well but that'll go into the playtest feedback part.

4E Realms = Great Taste, Less Filling.

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quote:
Originally posted by Old Man Harpell

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Originally posted by ksu_bond
I left because of the 4e changes to the Realms, not because of the new editions rules...


Enough time has passed that we know what the future holds, at least in some respects. The Sundering is their answer to what has gone before.

What we know:

*There will be a complete geographical reset by Ao back to the Old Grey Box-era configuration. I may have the era slightly wrong, but all the big changes wrought by the Sellplague/time jump are going bye-bye, such as Returned Abeir, Tymanther, and Akanul.

*There will be no reboot - what has come before will not be erased, but the timeline will continue forward.

*Many of the old gods are coming back. With a couple of definite exceptions, one person's guess as to which ones in as good as anyone else's.

Most other details are under wraps. I may have left a few released details out (unintentionally), but what we have learned has made me cautiously optimistic. I am one of the biggest grognards amongst all grognards, but I've set aside the funds for this purchase...if I didn't think I had a good chance of being impressed with the effort, I wouldn't have done that. I'm willing to give it the chance it's asking for.

- OMH



If I am not mistaken, they are also making the 5E FR source books edition neutral. This means that we can play in whatever era of the Realms that we want and it should be supported by the source books. Thus, it seems to me that the most hated changes such as the time jump will only continue to impact those who read the novels.

In addition to this, they're working on a way to update and re-release all previous edition source books in digital format. This means all the great source books that came out during 2E will be accessible again.
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Originally posted by Diffan

Because that's the impression I got when reading some of their ideas about bringing back Mexico and Egypt into the Realms.



You mean Maztica and Rauryn? They were already there and didn't need to be added.

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