Candlekeep Forum
Candlekeep Forum
Home | Profile | Register | Active Topics | Active Polls | Members | Private Messages | Search | FAQ
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

 All Forums
 Forgotten Realms Journals
 General Forgotten Realms Chat
 Reboot of the Realms for 5th edition.
 New Topic  New Poll New Poll
 Reply to Topic
 Printer Friendly
Previous Page | Next Page
Author Previous Topic Topic Next Topic
Page: of 23

Varl
Learned Scribe

USA
253 Posts

Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  01:14:17  Show Profile Send Varl a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LordXenophon

It doesn't really matter. I won't buy it. Faerun changes because of an advancing story line and the actions of my players, not because some paper pusher decides to toss all my notes in the shredder and sell me new ones.

My version of Faerun is already significantly different from the "official" versain, in some pretty big ways. Khelben and King Azoun are still alive, half the "Wyrms of the North" are not, the Sithylesian Empire is growing out of control because of player indifference, There are two Manshoon clones working together as a team (both altered, so they don't count as "true" clones), there are temples of Waukeen, Sharess, Lliira and Umberlee in Waterdeep, the temple of Sune in Waterdeep is much larger and grander than in the books (due to generous player donations), Danilo Thann is one of the Lords of Waterdeep, Castle Dragonspear is being rebuilt (the players hope), the city of Llorkh burned down, Mystra is still Midnight, Adon is sane, Cyric is still a threat, the Spires of Morning had to be almost completely rebuilt after a Beholder attack collapsed one of the glass towers, the city of Waterdeep has grown well beyond the borders of the official map, the same has happened to Baldur's Gate, hydras are now a bigger problem than trolls for farmers on the Sword Coast (because certain players were so zealous about wiping out the trolls), you can sail from the Lake of Steam to the Inner Sea by way of the Sespech Canal (the player who built it went bankrupt) and there's a new order of knights who worship Helm (called the Knights of Helm).

You may call this digression. You may call it non-canon or even anti-canon. I call it progress. I'm not throwing it all away to conform to a "new canon."



All of this is pure, beautiful win. Growth in the Realms is SO much more than what is officially released. Imagine if everyone offered up snippets of similar Realms changes like these that they've enacted on their game for inspiration to others.

I wish I could say my changes were as colorful. I salute you, Xenophon.

"We're not out of here in 10 minutes, we won't need no rockets to fly through space." -Parker, Alien.
Go to Top of Page

Matt James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer

USA
909 Posts

Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  02:17:43  Show Profile Send Matt James a Private Message  Reply with Quote
This thread is of no use to anyone who is forging their own path in the Realms, yes?
Go to Top of Page

Tarlyn
Learned Scribe

USA
304 Posts

Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  02:40:51  Show Profile Send Tarlyn a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally post by Matt James
This thread is of no use to anyone who is forging their own path in the Realms, yes?


What do you even mean? By the same logic won't all threads be of no use to anyone "forging their own path"?

Tarlyn Embersun
Go to Top of Page

Dalor Darden
Great Reader

USA
3338 Posts

Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  02:57:01  Show Profile  Visit Dalor Darden's Homepage Send Dalor Darden a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Tarlyn

quote:
Originally post by Matt James
This thread is of no use to anyone who is forging their own path in the Realms, yes?


What do you even mean? By the same logic won't all threads be of no use to anyone "forging their own path"?



That is exactly what he is saying: a reboot is useless. Everyone already has their "own Forgotten Realms" and so doing a reboot doesn't make sense from a business point of view.

It is in their best interest to forge ahead, and sell product that will appeal to the widest variety of nerds like me.

Visit my Blog Page to find things for YOUR Forgotten Realms!
Go to Top of Page

Tarlyn
Learned Scribe

USA
304 Posts

Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  03:24:42  Show Profile Send Tarlyn a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dalor Darden
That is exactly what he is saying: a reboot is useless. Everyone already has their "own Forgotten Realms" and so doing a reboot doesn't make sense from a business point of view.


Making a product that helps people develop their "own Forgotten Realms" is what the discussion is about. Why buy Realms products at all, they will all contradict some deviation for a given campaign? Using the same line of logic, continuing making products in the 4e realms is equally unnecessary, because it will not be in line with every FR groups campaign setting. So, any product following that brilliant line of reasoning is worthless, the conclusion this leads to is just don't make realms products at all.

Which clearly isn't the point of the discussion here and does not add anything constructive. Everyone has their own Realms, those asking for a reboot find 4e products to have a low value add to their campaigns.

From a business point of view, the only thing that matters is producing a product that will sell to the largest number of customers and continue to sell in the future.


Tarlyn Embersun
Go to Top of Page

Dalor Darden
Great Reader

USA
3338 Posts

Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  03:36:06  Show Profile  Visit Dalor Darden's Homepage Send Dalor Darden a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Tarlyn

quote:
Originally posted by Dalor Darden
That is exactly what he is saying: a reboot is useless. Everyone already has their "own Forgotten Realms" and so doing a reboot doesn't make sense from a business point of view.


Making a product that helps people develop their "own Forgotten Realms" is what the discussion is about. Why buy Realms products at all, they will all contradict some deviation for a given campaign? Using the same line of logic, continuing making products in the 4e realms is equally unnecessary, because it will not be in line with every FR groups campaign setting. So, any product following that brilliant line of reasoning is worthless, the conclusion this leads to is just don't make realms products at all.

Which clearly isn't the point of the discussion here and does not add anything constructive. Everyone has their own Realms, those asking for a reboot find 4e products to have a low value add to their campaigns.

From a business point of view, the only thing that matters is producing a product that will sell to the largest number of customers and continue to sell in the future.



Doesn't add anything constructive?

quote:

It is in their best interest to forge ahead, and sell product that will appeal to the widest variety of nerds like me.



vs. your own:

quote:

From a business point of view, the only thing that matters is producing a product that will sell to the largest number of customers and continue to sell in the future.



Either you are agreeing with me...or you don't realize you are agreeing with me...

Either way, having a contrary point of view doesn't mean "not contributing" to the discussion. I would be the FIRST in line to buy a reboot of the Forgotten Realms...hells, I run an AD&D game in the Old Grey Box!

Your not so subtle insult ("So, any product following that brilliant line of reasoning is worthless, the conclusion this leads to is just don't make realms products at all.") is noted. But I wasn't saying NOT TO MAKE PRODUCTS...I said doing a Reboot is not in their best interests.

If I've misunderstood your intended meaning, please let me know...I'm willing to converse without being insulting.

Visit my Blog Page to find things for YOUR Forgotten Realms!
Go to Top of Page

Tarlyn
Learned Scribe

USA
304 Posts

Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  04:27:14  Show Profile Send Tarlyn a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LordXenophon
It doesn't really matter. I won't buy it. Faerun changes because of an advancing story line and the actions of my players, not because some paper pusher decides to toss all my notes in the shredder and sell me new ones.

My version of Faerun is already significantly different from the "official" versain, in some pretty big ways. Khelben and King Azoun are still alive, half the "Wyrms of the North" are not, the Sithylesian Empire is growing out of control because of player indifference, There are two Manshoon clones working together as a team (both altered, so they don't count as "true" clones), there are temples of Waukeen, Sharess, Lliira and Umberlee in Waterdeep, the temple of Sune in Waterdeep is much larger and grander than in the books (due to generous player donations), Danilo Thann is one of the Lords of Waterdeep, Castle Dragonspear is being rebuilt (the players hope), the city of Llorkh burned down, Mystra is still Midnight, Adon is sane, Cyric is still a threat, the Spires of Morning had to be almost completely rebuilt after a Beholder attack collapsed one of the glass towers, the city of Waterdeep has grown well beyond the borders of the official map, the same has happened to Baldur's Gate, hydras are now a bigger problem than trolls for farmers on the Sword Coast (because certain players were so zealous about wiping out the trolls), you can sail from the Lake of Steam to the Inner Sea by way of the Sespech Canal (the player who built it went bankrupt) and there's a new order of knights who worship Helm (called the Knights of Helm).

You may call this digression. You may call it non-canon or even anti-canon. I call it progress. I'm not throwing it all away to conform to a "new canon."


I was discussing this quote and Mr.James response to it. Notice that "It doesn't really matter. I won't buy it. Faerun changes because of an advancing story line and the actions of my players, not because some paper pusher decides to toss all my notes in the shredder and sell me new ones"

If you have no interest in buying anything, the posters quote doesn't mention what edition is being used, you really are just saying don't make products. Mr. James seems to interpret this as the poster would happily buy a non-reboot product. I feel that commenting that: "This thread is of no use to anyone who is forging their own path in the Realms, yes?" because a poster stated they have no interested in purchasing any product is nonconstructive. Continuing any realms product is equally unhelpful to the above poster. The line of logic that this advocates does not invalid this scroll it invalidates all scrolls.

quote:
Originally posted by Dalor Darden
That is exactly what he is saying: a reboot is useless. Everyone already has their "own Forgotten Realms" and so doing a reboot doesn't make sense from a business point of view.

I agree that this is a fair explanation of what I gathered from Mr. James commentary as well. I think Mr. James logic is indeed brilliant, since he apparently advocates not producing realms products. Since everyone has their own forgotten realms and does not need any product support.

As far as your comment below, I have no idea which version of FR you support, or if you are a brand loyalist and love them all equally.

quote:
Originally posted by Dalor Darden
It is in their best interest to forge ahead, and sell product that will appeal to the widest variety of nerds like me.


But my statement was to indicate that from a business point of view the only thing that matters is acquiring money. I have no idea if my personal preference for split timelines / a reboot would be profitable for WotC, or for that matter "if nerds like yourself" are a larger market than say "nerds not like yourself". However, if we want to talk about what is best from a business point of view, all that matters is which will sell more. Your statement indicates that their are more people holding your preference than any other preference. I don't think that their is any actual evidence to support this claim. Since WotC does not release their sales data or marketing data, it makes discussing things from a business perspective rather difficult and uninteresting due to the lack of any available evidence.


Tarlyn Embersun
Go to Top of Page

Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
Moderator

USA
30338 Posts

Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  05:00:38  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Okay, folks, perhaps we all need to step back from this discussion for a moment or two...

Candlekeep Forums Moderator

Candlekeep - The Library of Forgotten Realms Lore
http://www.candlekeep.com
-- Candlekeep Forum Code of Conduct

Editor and scribe for The Candlekeep Compendium

I am the Giant Space Hamster of Ill Omen!
Go to Top of Page

Old Man Harpell
Senior Scribe

USA
470 Posts

Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  07:53:58  Show Profile  Visit Old Man Harpell's Homepage Send Old Man Harpell a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

Okay, folks, perhaps we all need to step back from this discussion for a moment or two...



I was thinking the same thing. WotC boards, anyone?

Did I miss somewhere where it said the entire reboot thing was up for debate? Correct me if I'm wrong, Wizbro said there will be absolutely no reboot, no way, no how. For me, that decides it right there - a reboot is not in the works. Please keep in mind that you can read something by Therise on the subject, and almost word for word, you will be reading my own opinion as well, as you absorb her analysis of what we have been given for 4th Edition (and please believe that the word 'complimentary' will not come to mind as you do). I only part ways with her in my refusal to believe it cannot be fixed.

I do not, however, believe that Wizbro's in-house staff has the chops to un-dork what they did without making an ever bigger mess. That is my sad analysis, and I believe, the state of affairs as it exists. I could be wrong - All Gods that have ever walked our humble Earth, please let me be wrong - but I don't think I am.

So...what does that leave us? Seriously - we should all of us be concentrating, academic discussion though it may be, on what is possible. Those things are, realistically:

*Alternate timeline. This is not a reboot, but something published in addition to the official work. We're sort of getting that this October(?) when Ed's version of the Realms will come to us. That is not, admittedly, an official 'alternate timeline', but it is likely as close to the beloved Old Grey Box as we are likely to get. Can we hope for something else? Yes, yes we can, but only if Wizbro figures out that it is not only possible to support multiple iterations of their flagship game world, but desirable as well.

*Moving forward, and making the Shattered Realms back into the Forgotten Realms. Not a reboot (because keep in mind, it will not happen - it just won't), but fixing all the gawdsawful things they did in a logical, forward-moving manner. ESdB's 'One Realms' (etc) scroll is meant to do just this. We can have it all back - we just need to make Wizbro understand how we want it all back without giving them an ultimatum that, ultimately, they aren't going to bend to. We just need to make sure they don't make even more of those ridiculously gawdsawful 'good ideas' on the way to undoing their...ah...'good ideas'.

And we need to impress upon them that we want them to fix what they did. Fix all the unbelievably sophomoric mistakes they made with (sort of) the Sellplague (which could have been good) and (undeniably so) the absurd 100-year time jump screw-up (which was an execrably bad idea), all to shoehorn the setting into their 'Points of Light' foolishness - a concept that should have remained in Eberron. To say nothing of the goofiness that was the Drowpocalypse (but wait - we can still have player character drow! ) and the incomprehensible way they ran roughshod over the deities list.

Reboot = no possibility. Period. Getting our beloved Realms back = not only possible, but doable without a reboot. There are so many ways this could be done - we just have to give them the ideas, and hope against hope that they want us to give them our money.

- OMH
Go to Top of Page

Dalor Darden
Great Reader

USA
3338 Posts

Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  12:41:41  Show Profile  Visit Dalor Darden's Homepage Send Dalor Darden a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The bottom line is simply this folks:

There is no "re-boot" needed. If you like playing in an earlier era, then do so...the information you want is already there.

That is why there will be no re-boot in the Forgotten Realms...it would be a re-printing of material already gone to print in years past. While I'm sure it would sell some, it would not sell enough.

Instead, WotC is hopefully going to move ahead with a program of sales which will continue moving forward in the timeline, with the things that have already happened, smoothing out rough edges and making small changes here and there that will appeal to the old-school (like myself and others) while also giving us all new lore, setting and gaming which can appeal to a continually growing market of newcomers.

With that information given, and books such as A Grand History of the Realms...perhaps with some maps that can be purchased either as a download (or better off the shelf for me please) that represent different time periods in the Forgotten Realms, they will be able to work with the largest customer base possible.

There is no NEED for a re-boot...that would simply be shooting a hole in the kitchen sink and expecting it to still hold water from that point forward. In business, you can RARELY go back...except with food products for some reason.

Visit my Blog Page to find things for YOUR Forgotten Realms!
Go to Top of Page

Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire

USA
14387 Posts

Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  15:14:56  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have to agree with Dalor here.

A lot of us would love a reboot, but WE are NOT their current customers. It would be ludicrous of them to bank on us, from a business perspective. They can hope to lure us back, but they shouldn't do it by pissing off the few people still buying their products. They'd be making the same mistake twice.

I heard this morning that boardgames (and D&D should be included in this category for these purposes) are at an all-time low - less then 3% of kids today have any interest in playing them.

Also, girl-gamers (video/comp) are at an all-time high. This is the market they must cross into - make D&D (TRUE RPGing) an online experience. Give us the tools, and D&D may yet survive.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone

Go to Top of Page

Therise
Master of Realmslore

1265 Posts

Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  15:45:10  Show Profile Send Therise a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Out of curiosity, why do some people constantly feel the need to troll this tread?

Constantly coming into this thread to tell pro-reboot people that:
- it's a mistake...blah blah..."
- "it's never gonna happen"
- "you might want X but it'll be horrible/damaging/etc..."
- "it's arrogant/selfish/evil/etc... to want what you want"

Those things are trolling at this point. We've heard you in other threads. Constantly. Allow us to express our opinions and discuss the MERITS of a reboot here. Otherwise, you're just contributing to mutual dislike and fighting.

With respect, get out of our thread. We want a reboot. Is it likely? Perhaps not. But constantly shouting us down is wrong, disrespectful, and adds nothing.


4E Realms was awful, but it's water under the Boareskyr Bridge. Let's make 5E Realms truly shine!

Edited by - Therise on 25 Jun 2012 15:59:39
Go to Top of Page

Apex
Learned Scribe

USA
229 Posts

Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  15:46:12  Show Profile  Visit Apex's Homepage Send Apex a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

I have to agree with Dalor here.

A lot of us would love a reboot, but WE are NOT their current customers. It would be ludicrous of them to bank on us, from a business perspective. They can hope to lure us back, but they shouldn't do it by pissing off the few people still buying their products. They'd be making the same mistake twice.

I heard this morning that boardgames (and D&D should be included in this category for these purposes) are at an all-time low - less then 3% of kids today have any interest in playing them.

Also, girl-gamers (video/comp) are at an all-time high. This is the market they must cross into - make D&D (TRUE RPGing) an online experience. Give us the tools, and D&D may yet survive.



Well, it doesn't appear that they have all that many current customers now either. Also, "future" customers are going to buy whatever the "current" version of the Realms is, so what we are dealing with is those dollars that might be lost by current customers who don't make the switch back to the new dollars they might gain from returning gamers. And I for one think that those of us who left have much higher disposable incomes (just based on demographics) than those who they currently have.

And if they would reboot (to whenever, OGB, before OGB, ToT, etc), there is so much material that was never developed due to how rapidly the timeline advanced, especially considering their new short article format (as opposed to the older 32/64 page sourcebooks). They wouldn't have to even invalidate (not initially anyways) anything that happens in the future, since they could slow the timeline down enough to not even need to address those questions for years.
Go to Top of Page

Jeremy Grenemyer
Great Reader

USA
2717 Posts

Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  16:58:26  Show Profile Send Jeremy Grenemyer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Therise

Those things are trolling at this point.
Erm…no.

The OP asked a question, as part of a yes or no poll. To wit:
quote:
Originally posted by Shadowsoul

Would you like to see a complete reboot of the Forgotten Realms for 5th edition D&D?


People aren’t trolling, they’re saying why they don’t want a reboot.

If you want to have a discussion about the merits of a reboot, I’d suggest starting another scroll.

Look for me and my content at EN World (user name: sanishiver).
Go to Top of Page

Therise
Master of Realmslore

1265 Posts

Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  17:05:14  Show Profile Send Therise a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer

quote:
Originally posted by Therise

Those things are trolling at this point.
Erm…no..


Troll continues to troll, such a surprise.


4E Realms was awful, but it's water under the Boareskyr Bridge. Let's make 5E Realms truly shine!
Go to Top of Page

Jorkens
Great Reader

Norway
2950 Posts

Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  17:10:19  Show Profile Send Jorkens a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I cant really see the troll argument being valid, even if I don't agree that a reboot wouldn't work. Argumentative yes, but not troll.

As for what WotC has said; when 5ed. comes out and the Realms of Ed Greenwood is released this might stand or it might change according to the sales. If the Realms of Ed is a huge success they will probably follow it up in some form. That is the ridiculous part of these discussions; none of us know what the h*** we are talking about here anyway as we don't know WotC's plans or numbers.

No Canon, more stories, more Realms.
Go to Top of Page

Eilserus
Master of Realmslore

USA
1366 Posts

Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  17:14:35  Show Profile Send Eilserus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

I have to agree with Dalor here.

A lot of us would love a reboot, but WE are NOT their current customers. It would be ludicrous of them to bank on us, from a business perspective. They can hope to lure us back, but they shouldn't do it by pissing off the few people still buying their products. They'd be making the same mistake twice.

I heard this morning that boardgames (and D&D should be included in this category for these purposes) are at an all-time low - less then 3% of kids today have any interest in playing them.

Also, girl-gamers (video/comp) are at an all-time high. This is the market they must cross into - make D&D (TRUE RPGing) an online experience. Give us the tools, and D&D may yet survive.



I think it'd be slick to see them partner up with Campaign Cartographer 3. Give us a base Realms map we can play with and tinker etc. The base blanks that you've made in the past are pretty sweet to use for player maps. Just put in a few locations with photoshop etc and good to go. I wonder if the code for that software could be pushed into a web app, then melded into DDI, so DM's could pick a part of the Realms out of a blank map and start filling it in and then print it out. Now that would be a slick tool to have. I think the base software is only 40 bucks or so. If they Wizards set up an affiliate offer, buy through their link, get the 3E map styles for free or something, I bet they'd sell a bunch of copies.
Go to Top of Page

Therise
Master of Realmslore

1265 Posts

Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  17:15:46  Show Profile Send Therise a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jorkens

I cant really see the troll argument being valid, even if I don't agree that a reboot wouldn't work. Argumentative yes, but not troll.


He's a self-admitted troll. He's Mr_Miscellany and Sanishiver. We've seen his opinion on this - on multiple accounts - so many times now that it's a broken record.

He posts like it's the first time any of us have ever heard his opinion, and does it over and over and over... in multiple threads.

There's no "discussion" there, just "No, you're wrong" often followed by insults or subtle character digs, or worse at times.


4E Realms was awful, but it's water under the Boareskyr Bridge. Let's make 5E Realms truly shine!
Go to Top of Page

Eilserus
Master of Realmslore

USA
1366 Posts

Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  17:17:00  Show Profile Send Eilserus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jorkens

I cant really see the troll argument being valid, even if I don't agree that a reboot wouldn't work. Argumentative yes, but not troll.

As for what WotC has said; when 5ed. comes out and the Realms of Ed Greenwood is released this might stand or it might change according to the sales. If the Realms of Ed is a huge success they will probably follow it up in some form. That is the ridiculous part of these discussions; none of us know what the h*** we are talking about here anyway as we don't know WotC's plans or numbers.



Like you say, money talks. If Ed's Realms book sells well, we're likely to see more of that type of product sooner or later. Whether it's an alternate timeline or not, it's bound to be a dead sexy product.
Go to Top of Page

Therise
Master of Realmslore

1265 Posts

Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  17:21:39  Show Profile Send Therise a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Eilserus

Like you say, money talks. If Ed's Realms book sells well, we're likely to see more of that type of product sooner or later. Whether it's an alternate timeline or not, it's bound to be a dead sexy product.


If Ed's Realms (the upcoming product) is actually a separate timeline, without the ToT and Spellplague, really and truly Greenwood's home game Realms, I will support it by buying multiple copies and giving them to friends. I'll advocate for it to supplant the current canon Realms, and constantly ask for support of it in DDI and other publications.

4E Realms was awful, but it's water under the Boareskyr Bridge. Let's make 5E Realms truly shine!
Go to Top of Page

Jorkens
Great Reader

Norway
2950 Posts

Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  17:22:47  Show Profile Send Jorkens a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Therise

quote:
Originally posted by Jorkens

I cant really see the troll argument being valid, even if I don't agree that a reboot wouldn't work. Argumentative yes, but not troll.


He's a self-admitted troll. He's Mr_Miscellany and Sanishiver. We've seen his opinion on this - on multiple accounts - so many times now that it's a broken record.

He posts like it's the first time any of us have ever heard his opinion, and does it over and over and over... in multiple threads.

There's no "discussion" there, just "No, you're wrong" often followed by insults or subtle character digs, or worse at times.





I am painfully aware of who he is, but argumentative and repetitive is not the same as trolling; there were others making more or less the same claims as him this time though.

No Canon, more stories, more Realms.
Go to Top of Page

Therise
Master of Realmslore

1265 Posts

Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  17:27:38  Show Profile Send Therise a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jorkens

... but argumentative and repetitive is not the same as trolling; there were others making more or less the same claims as him this time though.


Well, I'm bloody tired of being shouted down at every opportunity. I'm tired of seeing my fellow fans being shouted down over and over (often quite rudely) for the same thing, from the same people, for the zillionth time.

4E Realms was awful, but it's water under the Boareskyr Bridge. Let's make 5E Realms truly shine!
Go to Top of Page

Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
Moderator

USA
30338 Posts

Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  17:28:39  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And I should prefer to move past the discussion of trolling. If it keeps up, the breather period I asked for will be forcibly implemented by locking this scroll for a time.

Candlekeep Forums Moderator

Candlekeep - The Library of Forgotten Realms Lore
http://www.candlekeep.com
-- Candlekeep Forum Code of Conduct

Editor and scribe for The Candlekeep Compendium

I am the Giant Space Hamster of Ill Omen!
Go to Top of Page

sfdragon
Great Reader

2055 Posts

Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  17:55:21  Show Profile Send sfdragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
the version I'd seek is a combination of both that will make both sides happy enough to pick it up look at it. See Ed,s name on it first, skim through it and buy it.


why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power


My FR fan fiction
Magister's GAmbit
http://steelfiredragon.deviantart.com/gallery/33539234
Go to Top of Page

Jorkens
Great Reader

Norway
2950 Posts

Posted - 25 Jun 2012 :  17:57:22  Show Profile Send Jorkens a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon

the version I'd seek is a combination of both that will make both sides happy enough to pick it up look at it. See Ed,s name on it first, skim through it and buy it.





Then there is also the risk that the compromise will make none happy and irritate everyone to some degree. No matter what WotC decides to do it is a gamble.

No Canon, more stories, more Realms.
Go to Top of Page
Page: of 23 Previous Topic Topic Next Topic  
Previous Page | Next Page
 New Topic  New Poll New Poll
 Reply to Topic
 Printer Friendly
Jump To:
Candlekeep Forum © 1999-2017 Candlekeep.com Go To Top Of Page
Snitz Forums 2000