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froglegg
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Posted - 03 Jun 2012 :  13:28:36  Show Profile Send froglegg a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Shadowsoul

I love the Realms but I have never been a fan of Elminster (Sorry Ed).

Would I would like to see done is have Elminster wake up after his vision of the Spellplague and Mystra instructing him on how to prevent it but would end up costing him his life.



Now that would take some guts! Talk about putting your money where your mouth.


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Eilserus
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Posted - 03 Jun 2012 :  18:14:29  Show Profile Send Eilserus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm starting to lean towards using the existing lore and building from there. And the main reason is, its a simple matter to keep all the famous characters around with various lore plots and ideas...like we saw in the last Elminster book. With that aside, it allows designers and Ed to revamp lore for certain areas. One of my biggest gripes was seeing reprints of old lore with a smidge of new stuff added in over the years. Not that I have an issue with lore, I just prefer new lore to recycled stuff. With the design team building new stuff in familiar areas, one would assume those products would sell better than a rehash of old stuff. All they need to do is tone down spellplague things like earthmotes and other effects...make them unique like adventure sites and not the norm and it could be good to go. Just my thoughts. ;)
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lowtech
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Simply put, a 'reboot'* is the only thing that could bring me back to the Forgotten Realms....but I suspect that fans like myself will be written off as 'sunk cost', and from a business standpoint that's probably the safest course to take.

*By reboot, I mean alternate timelines with equal company support-and for those who say this will only split the fanbase further, I reply that the fanbase is already broken, and simply altering a few aspects of the 4E Realms is not going to bring me or others like me back. With an alternate timeline, it might be possible to regain the alienated portion of the fanbase without causing 4E fans to lose anything.
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Quale
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Posted - 18 Jun 2012 :  16:40:37  Show Profile Send Quale a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm starting to lean towards another setting, hope they do a good job though.
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Tarlyn
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Posted - 18 Jun 2012 :  23:29:35  Show Profile Send Tarlyn a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:

Originally posted by Quale
I'm starting to lean towards another setting, hope they do a good job though.


I don't mean to pry, but why in particular and what setting? Just curious.

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Quale
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Posted - 19 Jun 2012 :  10:43:31  Show Profile Send Quale a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Nothing new, returning back to Planescape (just Sigil), but with some changes cause I lost interest in (quasi)medieval worlds.
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Sightless
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I have always thought the term meant a complete re-start of a system. At least that's how I always used it, and will continue to use that defination when utilizing the term. And while five people that I polled personally agreed with this idea, I and eighty four others say no. I feel that a reboot would be a bad strategy.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 19 Jun 2012 :  13:08:39  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Sightless

I have always thought the term meant a complete re-start of a system. At least that's how I always used it, and will continue to use that defination when utilizing the term. And while five people that I polled personally agreed with this idea, I and eighty four others say no. I feel that a reboot would be a bad strategy.



This particular poll indicates almost two to one in favor of a reboot...

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Sightless
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Informative, but not suprising, different samples often produce different results. Hence my posting of question in the One story, one canon thread. My previous sample also showed a greater prefrence for 3 and 4e than what is found here. I wonder if there is a corlation.

What's are sample size?

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Markustay
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I'd still prefer a reboot to the old grey box. A soft reboot, which means until overwritten by something new, the old lore would still apply. This would allow them a 'fix things as we go along' strategy.

That's not going to happen though.

I think at this point, I am more interested in the 5e rules then I am in whatever they do to the Realms (if they insist on pushing the timeline further forward). I have my own game setting now - The Realms has just become a place where novels happen. I am still invested in it, but not as a place to RPG.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 19 Jun 2012 14:42:28
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idilippy
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Posted - 19 Jun 2012 :  15:42:44  Show Profile Send idilippy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Sightless

I have always thought the term meant a complete re-start of a system. At least that's how I always used it, and will continue to use that defination when utilizing the term. And while five people that I polled personally agreed with this idea, I and eighty four others say no. I feel that a reboot would be a bad strategy.



This particular poll indicates almost two to one in favor of a reboot...



While I wish that poll were indicative of the feelings of the larger audience(and voted yes, though I am certain it won't happen), I have to point out that the poll's sample size is tiny. Also the population is a fairly biased one consisting exclusively of those registered to this website, who visited this thread, and who chose to vote. The poll results have to be taken with a massive dose of skepticism on those facts alone.

Also, the terminology of the poll is a bit ambiguous, as "complete reboot" is hard to quantify. Does the poll mean a reboot to the grey box alone, will it include lore from pre-ToT sources or Dragon magazine articles about the Realms, will they include novels or lore from 2e onward into the fabric of the Realms, and if so who will decide what is kept and thrown out? Everyone reading the poll will have their own ideas on what the complete reboot means, and that will skew the poll further away from something useful.

Anyways, just piping in to get the point in that internet single question polarized polls like this one are ok conversation starters, but are far from useful as a basis for any sort of conclusion.

Edited by - idilippy on 19 Jun 2012 15:44:09
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 19 Jun 2012 :  16:06:54  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by idilippy

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Sightless

I have always thought the term meant a complete re-start of a system. At least that's how I always used it, and will continue to use that defination when utilizing the term. And while five people that I polled personally agreed with this idea, I and eighty four others say no. I feel that a reboot would be a bad strategy.



This particular poll indicates almost two to one in favor of a reboot...



While I wish that poll were indicative of the feelings of the larger audience(and voted yes, though I am certain it won't happen), I have to point out that the poll's sample size is tiny. Also the population is a fairly biased one consisting exclusively of those registered to this website, who visited this thread, and who chose to vote. The poll results have to be taken with a massive dose of skepticism on those facts alone.

Also, the terminology of the poll is a bit ambiguous, as "complete reboot" is hard to quantify. Does the poll mean a reboot to the grey box alone, will it include lore from pre-ToT sources or Dragon magazine articles about the Realms, will they include novels or lore from 2e onward into the fabric of the Realms, and if so who will decide what is kept and thrown out? Everyone reading the poll will have their own ideas on what the complete reboot means, and that will skew the poll further away from something useful.

Anyways, just piping in to get the point in that internet single question polarized polls like this one are ok conversation starters, but are far from useful as a basis for any sort of conclusion.



Agreed, which is why I specified "this particular poll".

As I've stated before, I would prefer resetting to right after Cloak & Dagger came out, but I think it would work better to start over, from the OGB. And for those who insist this would be damaging to the setting and/or cause alienation to some fans, it's pretty hard to argue that this hasn't already happened.

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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 19 Jun 2012 16:08:34
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sfdragon
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itwould damage setting and alienate all the newbs... and send them back to eberron.....

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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Posted - 19 Jun 2012 :  17:12:59  Show Profile Send Jeremy Grenemyer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon

it would damage setting and alienate all the newbs...
Not necessarily.

There are those of us who like the setting in its entirety, warts and all, and don't want to see the setting flipped on its head a second time for the sake of "fixing" it.

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Therise
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quote:
Originally posted by Therise

A mountain of yes. With an endless field of flowers that bloom tiny yeses in rainbow colors. Light summer rain that pitter-pats "yes" in Morse code.

While a dancing Julie Andrews sings the "Yes!" song.



My answer is unchanged: YES, total reboot to 1E gray box.

Honestly, I don't even remotely understand the concern people have for the "new fans" brought in by 4E Realms. That thing isn't really the Realms anyway, it's a totally different setting. They wanted "minimal, post-apocalypse with no updating" so let them keep their lore-light setting with no updating. Cut it free so that it stops poisoning the future of the Realms, I say.

4E Realms was awful, but it's water under the Boareskyr Bridge. Let's make 5E Realms truly shine!
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Sightless
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quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer

quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon

it would damage setting and alienate all the newbs...
Not necessarily.

There are those of us who like the setting in its entirety, warts and all, and don't want to see the setting flipped on its head a second time for the sake of "fixing" it.






This may bery well be constreyed as rude, but usually when thereís a major setting change, most of those sources are in print only. Now, thatís perfectly good, if you donít have any visual problems, but I and a few friends of mine happen to do so. So if thereís an entire rebute of the relms, weíve all got to sit around twitingling our thumbs for several years, waiting until that format starts to be accessable to us. This has been true for every version of D&D that has come out. Iíve got a dyslexic friend thatís been playing since second edition, and he doesnít like the idea of of a reboot any more than I do. So, donít just make the assumption that we are all apposed to a reboot because of being new to the game, or because we are so in love with 4e. I have never played 4E, and probably never will.

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idilippy
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by idilippy

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert



This particular poll indicates almost two to one in favor of a reboot...



While I wish that poll were indicative of the feelings of the larger audience(and voted yes, though I am certain it won't happen), I have to point out that the poll's sample size is tiny. Also the population is a fairly biased one consisting exclusively of those registered to this website, who visited this thread, and who chose to vote. The poll results have to be taken with a massive dose of skepticism on those facts alone.

Also, the terminology of the poll is a bit ambiguous, as "complete reboot" is hard to quantify. Does the poll mean a reboot to the grey box alone, will it include lore from pre-ToT sources or Dragon magazine articles about the Realms, will they include novels or lore from 2e onward into the fabric of the Realms, and if so who will decide what is kept and thrown out? Everyone reading the poll will have their own ideas on what the complete reboot means, and that will skew the poll further away from something useful.

Anyways, just piping in to get the point in that internet single question polarized polls like this one are ok conversation starters, but are far from useful as a basis for any sort of conclusion.



Agreed, which is why I specified "this particular poll".

As I've stated before, I would prefer resetting to right after Cloak & Dagger came out, but I think it would work better to start over, from the OGB. And for those who insist this would be damaging to the setting and/or cause alienation to some fans, it's pretty hard to argue that this hasn't already happened.


Ah, for such a short post I missed a very important word in there, it seems you were saying the same thing about the veracity of this survey as I was. Apologies for picking your post to reply to then, though I'll leave my point since I think it's worth considering by anyone who reads through the poll.

[tangent]It's a good thing to keep in mind in general actually, for all avenues of life. Any poll, survey, or study, from single question ones like this to all those studies that are cited by magazine articles about the latest wonderfood or health breakthrough, have limitations that need to be considered before basing conclusions off of them. [/end tangent]

Edited by - idilippy on 19 Jun 2012 19:09:53
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TBeholder
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quote:
Originally posted by Faraer

I don't know what you mean by a reboot, Shadowsoul -- the term is being used inconsistently in other threads.

quote:
Originally posted by entreri3478

Dejavu
This can be arbitrarily interpreted as "do away 4e" or "now, for something completely different with more ponies".
To vote on it, one have to interprete this vague proposal one way or another.
Results may also be interpreted one way or another. Which wouldn't necessarily coincide with what every (or any) voter meant.

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Matt James
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quote:
Originally posted by Therise

quote:
Originally posted by Therise

A mountain of yes. With an endless field of flowers that bloom tiny yeses in rainbow colors. Light summer rain that pitter-pats "yes" in Morse code.

While a dancing Julie Andrews sings the "Yes!" song.



My answer is unchanged: YES, total reboot to 1E gray box.

Honestly, I don't even remotely understand the concern people have for the "new fans" brought in by 4E Realms. That thing isn't really the Realms anyway, it's a totally different setting. They wanted "minimal, post-apocalypse with no updating" so let them keep their lore-light setting with no updating. Cut it free so that it stops poisoning the future of the Realms, I say.




Posts like this is why anti-continuity bled its way into the setting. You're saying people have to like the Realms the way you do, or else it's invalid. This is the highest degree of arrogance, and not something that will ever improve/advance the setting.

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Therise
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quote:
Originally posted by Matt James

quote:
Originally posted by Therise

quote:
Originally posted by Therise

A mountain of yes. With an endless field of flowers that bloom tiny yeses in rainbow colors. Light summer rain that pitter-pats "yes" in Morse code.

While a dancing Julie Andrews sings the "Yes!" song.



My answer is unchanged: YES, total reboot to 1E gray box.

Honestly, I don't even remotely understand the concern people have for the "new fans" brought in by 4E Realms. That thing isn't really the Realms anyway, it's a totally different setting. They wanted "minimal, post-apocalypse with no updating" so let them keep their lore-light setting with no updating. Cut it free so that it stops poisoning the future of the Realms, I say.




Posts like this is why anti-continuity bled its way into the setting. You're saying people have to like the Realms the way you do, or else it's invalid. This is the highest degree of arrogance, and not something that will ever improve/advance the setting.


Such a lack of civility.


4E Realms was awful, but it's water under the Boareskyr Bridge. Let's make 5E Realms truly shine!
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Okay, folks, we've managed to work through the last few months without hitting any of the usual "points of contention" when it comes to attitudes toward editions.

Let's just accept, right now, that not every scribe will see eye to eye on this, and simply move on, eh?

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Venger
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I voted "yes", although I wanted to clarify on what I was thinking of when I think "reboot."

By that I mean that the Spellplague Realms, in its entirety, ceases to exist as if it never happened. By that I mean that the 5E Realms progresses a year or two after the last Non-Spellplague related 3E Realms product. That is my idea of a reboot.

I was reading another thread talking about how to make the Spellplague Realms palatable to older fans, but from where I'm sitting I honestly don't see how it's possible. So much damage was inflicted on the Realms that to undo it all would pretty much be the same as a reboot anyway. Only difference is that undoing it all would just be silly from a narrative perspective. So Mystra, Azuth, Vhaeraun, Eilistraee, etc all just happen to come back? Zhentil Keep, Halruaa, Lantan, etc all happen to get rebuilt? After getting sucked into another planet Maztica and Mulhorand return? That sort of thing would be absolutely ridiculous. You may as well cut out the middleman and just retcon out the 4E Realms in its entirety rather than have that blight on your continuity.

Not to mention that, continuing on from the 4E Realms, you're still stuck in that a lot of the great characters and things about the Realms are still firmly stuck a century in the past. I don't know about anyone else, but one of the developments I liked was having Alusair as regent of Cormyr, but that plotline was completely obliterated with the time jump. And she's just one of many, many NPC's who're gone from the setting because of the time jump.

So yes, I vote for retconning out the 4E Realms in its entirety. It's not as if it'd be a hard thing to do. Exactly how much material was published for the Spellplague Realms throughout 4E's lifespan, anyway? Four books? Five? Far more than that was made obsolete by WotC when they decided on the Spellplague. If they had no problem negating several dozen books then I don't see why negating three setting books, one adventure, and a handful of DDI articles would be an issue.

I'm sure there're some 4E Realms fan they'd anger, too, but how many could there possibly be? If there were that many then one imagines that we would've seen more 4E Realms books published, but aside from the original offering all they published was Neverwinter. If there were very many than WotC should be breathlessly excited about all the campaign settings books they're going to be publishing for the Spellplague Realms with the advent of 5E, but they're not doing that. So again I ask, how many Spellplague Realms fans could there be? How many actual diehard fans could there possibly be, at least in comparison to the 1E-3E Realms fans who were infuriated by the 4E Realms changes and would gladly come back if WotC were to excise the Spellplague from the history of the Realms?

So yes, retcon, retcon, and retcon some more until the Spellplague is nothing more then a terrible, terrible dream Bob Newhart had one night.

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Irennan
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quote:
Originally posted by Venger

I voted "yes", although I wanted to clarify on what I was thinking of when I think "reboot."

By that I mean that the Spellplague Realms, in its entirety, ceases to exist as if it never happened. By that I mean that the 5E Realms progresses a year or two after the last Non-Spellplague related 3E Realms product. That is my idea of a reboot.

I was reading another thread talking about how to make the Spellplague Realms palatable to older fans, but from where I'm sitting I honestly don't see how it's possible. So much damage was inflicted on the Realms that to undo it all would pretty much be the same as a reboot anyway. Only difference is that undoing it all would just be silly from a narrative perspective. So Mystra, Azuth, Vhaeraun, Eilistraee, etc all just happen to come back? Zhentil Keep, Halruaa, Lantan, etc all happen to get rebuilt? After getting sucked into another planet Maztica and Mulhorand return? That sort of thing would be absolutely ridiculous. You may as well cut out the middleman and just retcon out the 4E Realms in its entirety rather than have that blight on your continuity.

Not to mention that, continuing on from the 4E Realms, you're still stuck in that a lot of the great characters and things about the Realms are still firmly stuck a century in the past. I don't know about anyone else, but one of the developments I liked was having Alusair as regent of Cormyr, but that plotline was completely obliterated with the time jump. And she's just one of many, many NPC's who're gone from the setting because of the time jump.

So yes, I vote for retconning out the 4E Realms in its entirety. It's not as if it'd be a hard thing to do. Exactly how much material was published for the Spellplague Realms throughout 4E's lifespan, anyway? Four books? Five? Far more than that was made obsolete by WotC when they decided on the Spellplague. If they had no problem negating several dozen books then I don't see why negating three setting books, one adventure, and a handful of DDI articles would be an issue.




As much as I'd love a reboot to 1374 DR, it doesn't look like a fair choice to me. That is not for the ones who screamed ''OMG QQ too much lore'', but for the new people who started enjoying the setting in 4e and would like to see it evolve and grow (and not just stagnate there), and for the ones who are trying to fix the Realms.

WotC has already said they won't retcon anything but, unlike you, I think that a compromise to bring at least some people back to enjoy the Realms is possible.

If they bring back Eilistraee, Vhaeraun, Mystra, Helm, some of the lands (etc...) through compelling stories, I don't get why it'd be ridiculous. The way they got rid of them was cheap anyway: LP? E and V behaved like they never would in those novels (also, they wouldn't have had any reason to join the game to begin with, given their personalities); Mystra/Azuth? Cheap and meaningless murder plus Azuth lands in Baator for no reason and a devil kills him...; Helm? Seriously, lets not even get started here; the lands? They just exploded/shifted away.

Add this to the fact that the removal of such depth-adding elements was unjust by itself and correcting all of this is the least they can do now. If they managed to pull off some reasonable plots to bring what is most characteristic of what was lost back, then it wouldn't be ridiculous at all and, personally, if they coupled this with making the Realms brighter and heroic as they were, I could be interested in reading about them again.

PS: They said that multiple eras will be supported, but I see this as unrealistic. They're going to have tons of annoying rules modules to dish out, other settings to refine (etc...), so a proper support to many mini (and not so much) settings is unlikely (especially considering how little support the Realms received during 4e). So, they'd have either to reboot or to correct and go forward and, considering what they said, it looks like the latter option is all what we (or at least I) can hope for.

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Venger
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Posted - 20 Jun 2012 :  10:54:01  Show Profile Send Venger a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, like I said, how many of those people are there, really? If there were that many people than WotC wouldn't be trying to entice older fans with this whole "support multiple eras" idea. If there were so many of those fans than they'd be pushing forward full steam ahead with the Spellplague Realms and to hell with the rest. That they're trying to get back older fans tells me that their hopes of getting more fans by blowing up the Realms blew up in their faces and now they're trying to fix their mistake, but they're unwilling to retcon away the 4E Realms. Well, I say they should retcon the 4E Realms. It's like a bandaid. Best to just rip it off clean rather than peeling it off slowly, and trying to undo Every. Last. Change... which was inflicted by the changeover is just downright nuts because there were so many. How can you possibly undo so much while having it all make narrative sense? And in many cases undoing the damage is downright impossible, at least not without another event on the level of the Spellplague. In short, trying to undo the damage inflicted on the Spellplague through narrative is a monumental task, one which in the end will only create this colossal twisted continuity snarl right in the middle of the Forgotten Realms timeline. Not to mention that no amount of narrative will undo the 100 year time jump, which obliterated countless story threads.

I agree with you, though, that supporting multiple eras is unrealistic. Which is why they should retcon it away and move forward from the 1370's with a new timeline.

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Posted - 20 Jun 2012 :  11:17:06  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Venger

I agree with you, though, that supporting multiple eras is unrealistic. Which is why they should retcon it away and move forward from the 1370's with a new timeline.

That's no less arbitrary than post-timejump 1470DR. Why invalidate all the lore for 1470DR and beyond? Why not reset all the way back to 1356DR, y'know, to accommodate everyone who rejected the ToT and rules-based-lore inflicted on the Realms with AD&D 2E?

It's been said many times before, in fact by some of the Realms designers/authors (in this scroll and in several others, if you search), that the retcon will not be retconned away. Expect the Spellplague and *all existing lore* to remain reasonably intact. You may not like it, you may not like it all, you might even reject it entirely, too bad ... but it is the most "realistic" expectation.

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Edited by - Ayrik on 20 Jun 2012 11:22:31
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