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Rhewtani
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Posted - 25 Jan 2012 :  23:58:27  Show Profile  Send Rhewtani an AOL message Send Rhewtani a Private Message
I thought most of the dark three lore was James brothers related.
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althen artren
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Posted - 26 Jan 2012 :  00:31:01  Show Profile Send althen artren a Private Message
Hey Menelvagor

I can help some with the Baneblades. Unless Ed trumps me:
as of 1375 DRj officially:

Evaelathil was lost at the battle in the Fall at the last Gate.
Don't have the gates name in front of me. Still missing.

Mhaorathil got out of Myth Drannor, went west, I think
into the Thunder Peaks.

Morvian is in the possesion of the military in Evermeet.

Faervian is buried with Paeris Haladar in Myth Drannor
under the rubble of the 6 Tyryl Towers, imprisoned with
her.

Dragathil is in the possession of a agent of Queen Amlaruil
Alinar Le'Quella.

Keryvian wielded by Captain FFlar.

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The Sage
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Posted - 26 Jan 2012 :  01:49:45  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

Question:
Is the lore surrounding 'The Dark Three' all Ed's, or has it been added to by others over years? Does Ed know more of the story himself, or was it one of those things he left open?
I may be incorrectly remembering past comments here, but I distinctly recall Eric Boyd saying he tweaked a few background details for the Dark Three.

Ed will probably correct me, should my memories of these comments, prove [more than likely] faulty.

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gomez
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Posted - 26 Jan 2012 :  07:53:26  Show Profile  Visit gomez's Homepage Send gomez a Private Message
Amazon now lists:

"Ed Greenwood Presents Elminster's Forgotten Realms: A Dungeons & Dragons Supplement"

Is there something about this Ed can tease use with?

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Rhewtani
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Posted - 26 Jan 2012 :  16:20:24  Show Profile  Send Rhewtani an AOL message Send Rhewtani a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by gomez

Amazon now lists:

"Ed Greenwood Presents Elminster's Forgotten Realms: A Dungeons & Dragons Supplement"

Is there something about this Ed can tease use with?





Like how that became the title?
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 26 Jan 2012 :  18:32:23  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Sage, you're absolutely right: Eric Boyd did superb lore re. the Dark Three, as he's done for so much about the Realms.

Menelvagor: Elminster was acutely aware of artifacts he didn't dare try to get, because of what he'd become (insane after each casting, except with Storm to "ground him"). He had to think of her safety in any attempt to get near something - - and places with multiple magical defenses, possibly gone "wild" in the Spellplague, were out of the question.

Ed has no idea how that title was chosen, nor can he confirm anything about that book. And yes, he knows saying that tells you he's involved with it...which is as far as he'll go right now.

love to all,
THO
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Super Wizard
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Posted - 26 Jan 2012 :  19:17:23  Show Profile Send Super Wizard a Private Message
Hye Ed Greenwood,

I was wondering, how many gold pieces does it cost to "ride" (lol, nudge nudge, wink wink) Amarune Whitewave?

Also,does the King of Cormyr collect taxes off of pimps and madames?
How much is the tax?
How much does hte Crown of Cormyr make per year on the sex trade?

THere are A LOT of words in the Realms for whores, so I figure they must be like, pretty ubiquitous and stuff.

Anyway, I'm out!

Peace at you!

Unstoppably Awesome to the Max
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Markustay
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Posted - 26 Jan 2012 :  22:20:47  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
Everyone knows that most Cormyrian coin-lasses are actually dopplegangers.

Anyhow, THO (and ED) - that didn't really reveal anything, considering the title of that work.

It would be kinda hard to 'present' something you've never seen or heard of ("What the hell is this in my hands?! Yeeargh!")

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gomez
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Posted - 27 Jan 2012 :  09:07:40  Show Profile  Visit gomez's Homepage Send gomez a Private Message
"Ed Greenwood Presents: Stuff He Hasn't Actually Read Yet"
Hmm. I guess that would not work out great as a title.
Or say much about the contents.

Speculating, I would guess Elminster's Forgotten Realms to contain a collection of articles on Realms lore, locations, and such.
I briefly considered it to be an Eye on the Realms collection, but I am pretty sure that they would have called it Eye on the Realms then...
Then again, I was wrong about 5thed too...

Gomez
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 27 Jan 2012 :  18:25:45  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
gomez, Ed says the book is not an Eye on the Realms collection.

Super Wizard, Ed says:
Amarune is a mask dancer, her performances paid for "by the house," though patrons may tip her (e.g. a copper more for a lap dance). If you want something more intimate, you have to negotiate with her (so her "price," if any, varies), and said negotiations may not be easy; you might recall the scene in ELMINSTER MUST DIE! where Arclath was waiting for her in her change room, and how furious she was.
The King of Cormyr doesn't collect taxes from anyone. The "Crown" (Palace bureaucrats) collect taxes from building owners (who pass it on to renters, who may include pimps and madames) in return for civic services such as policing, road repairs, etc.
The taxes vary depending on the size of the building or rather the land it occupies (so a stables pays for the dirt stableyard, not just the buildings).
The Crown of Cormyr doesn't make a single copper coin per year, directly, from "the sex trade" (an unknown term in the Realms, BTW). Indirectly, it makes taxes from building owners, as above, some of whom may be engaged in prostitution. In times of war, short-term "levies" (income taxes) may be forced upon the populace, and indirectly net some coins from prostitutes.
Re. this: "There are A LOT of words in the Realms for whores, so I figure they must be like, pretty ubiquitous and stuff."
Nope. No more so than in our real world. There are a lot of euphemisms for the same reasons (social embarrassment) as in our real modern world. The "polite" term for prostitutes is "escorts" - - and you should be aware that there are some escorts who merely ESCORT (that is, accompany as "arm candy") those who hire them, to plays and dining-halls and revels, and never engage in sex with them.


So saith Ed, creator of the Realms and its wealth of detail.
love to all,
THO
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 28 Jan 2012 :  14:36:30  Show Profile  Visit Hoondatha's Homepage Send Hoondatha a Private Message
That's one of the things I love about Ed. He can take a troll and turn it into worthwhile Realmslore.

Watching such transmutation prompts a rather whimsical question: Ed, if you were given a chance to be learn real, Realms magic, what school(s) would you specialize in?

(I don't need to ask THO, enchantress that she is... )

Doggedly converting 3e back to what D&D should be...
Sigh... And now 4e as well.
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Menelvagor
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Posted - 28 Jan 2012 :  22:43:13  Show Profile  Visit Menelvagor's Homepage Send Menelvagor a Private Message
Thanks, Althen, that was very helpful. But it raises another question:
"Faervian is buried with Paeris Haladar in Myth Drannor under the rubble of the 6 Tyryl Towers, imprisoned with her."
Still? I knew that happened in the Fall, but I was sure they had either died or escaped meanwhile. People in the Realms must know of this, since this is official Realms Lore. Maybe they were imprisoned there until 1375 DR. But that was the year after Myth Drannor had been freed. In 1377 DR, The Srinshee returned to Myth Drannor and offered Ilsevele Miritar the Rulers’ Blade. Ilsevele became Coronal. Queen Amlaruil brought the Tree of Souls as a gift to the new realm. Surely they must have tried to free them or make contact with them? Does Ed have any comments on this?

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Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.

"Yea, though he live a thousand years twice, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?" - Ecclesiastes VI, 6.

"There are no stupid questions – just a bunch of inquisitive idiots."

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sfdragon
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Posted - 28 Jan 2012 :  23:08:33  Show Profile Send sfdragon a Private Message
I have a quick location question for Ed.

the mines of KArazedian( oh great if I mispelled it) the easiest entrance to the dwarven stronhold of Iltkazar from the west and surface. where exactly does it open up on the sruface too

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Markustay
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Posted - 29 Jan 2012 :  00:48:29  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Hoondatha

That's one of the things I love about Ed. He can take a troll and turn it into worthwhile Realmslore.


So there ARE trolls in Candlekeep!

{they said I was crazy... they said they didn't exist...} Mwa ha ha ha!

"The dreaded lore-trolls - once merely rumor - these small offshoots (feytrolls) of the Troll race are tasked to meticulously care for the everyday chores of running the Great library that is Candlekeep. Not only do they keep the place tidy and organized, their sense of smell as been honed specifically to sniff-out Gremlins wherever they may hide. They are more then just Candlekeep's caretakers - they are also its guardians: If the keep is ever threatened, they will sally forth on their giant doomhamsters and lay waste to the ignorant"

---- Markovius the Mad Sage, formerly of Tsharoon and now Sage-most-low of Candlekeep, who's ramblings can sometimes be believed, when he isn't busy nibbling on the tapestries.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 29 Jan 2012 00:49:57
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sfdragon
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Posted - 29 Jan 2012 :  01:42:45  Show Profile Send sfdragon a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

quote:
Originally posted by Hoondatha

That's one of the things I love about Ed. He can take a troll and turn it into worthwhile Realmslore.


So there ARE trolls in Candlekeep!

{they said I was crazy... they said they didn't exist...} Mwa ha ha ha!

"The dreaded lore-trolls - once merely rumor - these small offshoots (feytrolls) of the Troll race are tasked to meticulously care for the everyday chores of running the Great library that is Candlekeep. Not only do they keep the place tidy and organized, their sense of smell as been honed specifically to sniff-out Gremlins wherever they may hide. They are more then just Candlekeep's caretakers - they are also its guardians: If the keep is ever threatened, they will sally forth on their giant doomhamsters and lay waste to the ignorant"

---- Markovius the Mad Sage, formerly of Tsharoon and now Sage-most-low of Candlekeep, who's ramblings can sometimes be believed, when he isn't busy nibbling on the tapestries.



so it hath been sayeth and so it will cometh to passeth in 5e

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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
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Posted - 29 Jan 2012 :  11:55:58  Show Profile Send Mumadar Ibn Huzal a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon

I have a quick location question for Ed.

the mines of KArazedian( oh great if I mispelled it) the easiest entrance to the dwarven stronhold of Iltkazar from the west and surface. where exactly does it open up on the sruface too


Steven Schend / Eric Boyd might know more on this topic since from their works a lot of the lore on Shanatar comes, but I'll give my spin on it since I'm actively running a game in the area involving the ruins of Shanatar.

As per Underdark the mines of Kazardaern allow access to the city from the surface and the west. Going by that reference, I would hazard a guess that the surface entries are in Tethyr proper, though between 2e and 3e the location of Iltkazar seems to have shifted northward some. Based on scattered references, I'd place Iltkazar under the northern Omlarandin Mts (as opposed west of these mts on the Underdark map) since 2e references that the plains of Periphaal are above the caverns of Iltkazar. The opening could be not too far from Toralth (briefly featured in the Wyrmskull Throne and Castle Spulzeer modules)

In addition, the 2e product DGttU has at least three entrances in the Omlarandin Mountains:
  • Chapel of the Blooded Moon in Earthsky Pass, leading through the spiderstalkings

  • From the headwaters of the Levast River to the northern tunnels by Iltkazar

  • Through the catacombs of the Spire Against the Stars (temple of Beshaba)

And there are at least three entrances through the Kuldin Peaks by way of the old Shanatar Kingdom of Drakkalor:
  • via Rrinnoroth, current lair of Charvekannathor the Red

  • via Ravimor's Cave and Ravimor's Gorge

  • 2 miles west of Golconda lies Spider's Pass which through the Spiderstalkings connects to Iltkazar


Also there are tunnels in the Upper Underdark that lead from the northern coast of the Lake of Steam to both Iltkazar and Barakuir.

Edited by - Mumadar Ibn Huzal on 29 Jan 2012 13:45:19
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sfdragon
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will the elminster's forgotten realms book have a dictionary in it of what certain words mean like the scroll in the sages of realmslore section of this great library??

why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power


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Jakk
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Posted - 30 Jan 2012 :  08:45:40  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message
I hope so... a Realmsian dictionary/glossary would be almost as cool as the Cormyr Lineage... as would some further lore about those red pyramids in Ascore...

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.
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quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon

will the elminster's forgotten realms book have a dictionary in it of what certain words mean like the scroll in the sages of realmslore section of this great library??


Yes.

So all of the new folks will know the true meaning of "play pretty!!"

"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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sfdragon
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quote:
Originally posted by Brimstone

quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon

will the elminster's forgotten realms book have a dictionary in it of what certain words mean like the scroll in the sages of realmslore section of this great library??


Yes.

So all of the new folks will know the true meaning of "play pretty!!"




and festhall down dancer and.. and and lets see... ummmmjust about everything else in that thread

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Jakk
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So... I was in another scroll, sharing my fondness for the Mad Mage, when I returned to the pages of the Ruins of Undermountain... and was struck by something said early in the text:
quote:
Halaster is said to have started the traditions of holding Magefairs each decade (and the smaller, annual Spellmoots) in remote, everchanging locations in the Realms. He is also said to have devised many powerful spells, and perfected some processes and items now widely known and used in wizardly circles.

This brought me back to a certain question... or rather, set of questions... I asked back in 2010, while more or less confirming my correctness regarding Halaster; that he was, in fact, a Chosen of Mystryl (see the following quotes from Kuje and THO), and he lost his sanity when Karsus fell and took Mystryl with him.

I know there are relatively new, shiny, adamantine NDAs surrounding Halaster as of the release of 4th Edition, which tells me that his soul being shattered is not the end of his story. What I would like to know is if there are plans to tell the beginning of that story, which I know from past Q&A here is also heavily NDA'd.

And to the question from scribe Kuje that got it all started, back in 2005, and THO's immediate, cryptic, and vague response:
quote:
Posted by Kuje - 22 Dec 2005 : 08:51:08
Ed,

I was pondering the Chosen of Mystra and some of your past replies about Mystra, and her power, and her investing her power in mortals. This led me to ponder Mystryl, who seemed even more powerful then Mystra and Midnight/Mystra.

So my pondering led to me this thought: Did Mystryl have any Chosen like Mystra and Midnight/Mystra does? If so, are any of them still "alive?" Or did they all die when she "died?" If there is anything else that you might want to add to this pondering of mine then it's more then welcome.


quote:
Posted by The Hooded One - 22 Dec 2005 : 15:45:33
Oooh, Kuje, dear: you tread into darkly perilous ground, approaching (gasp) a secret of the Realms that has been sitting in plain sight for lo these many years, just waiting for a brilliant scribe to pounce upon.
Heh-heh. Which is a grand way of saying Ed won't answer you directly. You'll have to wait (for some time) for a rather more public answer.
Heh heh heh.
love,
THO

I've asked about this before, so I'll just ask if we're within sight of the shadow of an answer to this yet, or if "some time" means "until Caina bursts into flames" (the whole "freezes over" line is getting old).

Edit: Oh, and I'll also ask if the Spellplague has changed anything about said mysterious secret. Also, I'll speculate that what happened to Elminster post-Spellplague is simply the same thing that happened to Halaster with the Fall of Netheril.

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.

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Markustay
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But Pg.33 of Secrets of the Magister specifically says Talana Brakuularn began the Magefairs.

However, the very next (semi-permanent) candidate to hold that office was know as "The Whisperer in Shadows".

Ed, is it possible that Halster/Hilathar went by other names as well, during his VERY long career?

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


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Dennis
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How do Elminster usually answer these questions:

1. How old are you?
2. What do you love to do when you have "free" time?
3. What's the thing that you wish so badly?

Every beginning has an end.
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The Hooded One
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Hi again, all! I bring the latest answers from Ed of the Greenwood, who has been very busy producing Realmslore these last few weeks, for your future gaming pleasure:

To Markustay, Ed replies: Yes. Halaster has used many likenesses, both genders, and quite a few names down the years. Most of the elder mages were in the habit of adopting guises to do risky, unpopular, or "against their established image" things.

To Dennis, Ed replies:
1. Old enough to know much better, yet young enough to go ahead and do it anyway.
2. Return to ruins, remember fondly what was once there, then track down what remains and seek to rekindle it.
3. That Manshoon and others who seek to wreck my work could be put in my boots for a tenday, to try to serve Mystra as I do, that they would see at last the true harm they do, the true cost and consequences. It would do my heart good to see them made wiser.
Yet ask this same question the end of this year (for thee), and I'll have a sadder answer for thee.

So saith Ed. Hmmm. Interesting, that last one. I think I can guess what he means, but . . . we'll have to see. Ed is not Elminster, nor Elminster Ed . . .
love to all,
THO
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Dennis
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Wow. That was quick. Thanks, Ed and THO! I kinda expected the first one, and loved the third. I would have wished the same, I guess, if I were in his shoes. Not that I want to.

Every beginning has an end.

Edited by - Dennis on 01 Feb 2012 00:41:04
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