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Jakuta Khan
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Posted - 27 Sep 2012 :  10:10:46  Show Profile Send Jakuta Khan a Private Message
Dear Ed, dear THO,

for quite a while I was wondering what might dwell in the dwarven City behind the wailing Dwarf.

In all the editions so far, only the "entry area" has been described, with eventually a "Troll kingdom" stretching into the city a bit, but long ago now.

Can you share some hints / information as of what inhabitants there are nowadays?

thank you in advance.
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NineCoronas
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Posted - 27 Sep 2012 :  19:10:40  Show Profile Send NineCoronas a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by NineCoronas

Hooded One/Ed Greenwood

Hello,

I am (among other projects), researching a character for the Neverwinter Nights roleplay server Arelith. Her story is inspired by Joan-of-Arc, in that Mystra appears to her in a series of visions, grants her intuitive knowledge and powers (directly knights her as a Paladin and some knowledge about her) and gives her a mission that is sort of a mix between the three Mystran order's directives and her own dogma.

To this end, I had some questions, for authenticity sake:

1) What are the lyrics to the Hymn of the Lady?

2) What are common oaths a Paladin of Mystra takes?

3) How would the established churches of Mystra react to a Paladin of their goddess that does not integrate with their organizations?

4) What exactly happens in a typical 15th of Marpenoth (Reference: 3.5ed's Mystra's ascension) celebration? Are they big groups, or on a smaller, personal level?

5) How driven is/was Mystra to interdict in Bane's machinations? Enough to send her followers to fight his?

6) What actions would a Paladin have to take for Mystra to strip him/her of his powers? How forgiving of mistakes is she (I.E., a Paladin is tricked into something, etc.)?

7) What are Mystra's direct desires, as opposed to the interpretations of such that her mortal followers have developed, if there is a difference between the two at all.

8) What colors are Paladin's of Mystra required to wear... and in the same vein as the above question, is it Mystra that requires them to wear those colors, or the religious order?

Thank you for answering these questions (in advance).
I'm interested in hearing it right from the horses mouth >:)>

Cheers!

-NineCoronas



Bumping so it doesn't get lost >:)>
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 27 Sep 2012 :  23:01:48  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Not lost, promise! Ed's just snowed under these last few days (and nights; I understand he was cooking into the wee hours last night with the family visiting, so I hope he snatches some chances to answer lore queries for you and other scribes again, soon...).
love,
THO
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althen artren
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Posted - 27 Sep 2012 :  23:28:52  Show Profile Send althen artren a Private Message
Is there a paladin order to Azuth? I thought I have seen something about
one, but I just can't remember.

Ms. Hoody, this one is for you.
Can you give us some landmarks, abandoned towers, estates,
settlements, Harper drop sites, and what-nots under the
trees of Cormanthor. I want to put more things on my
Dalelands maps.

Edited by - althen artren on 28 Sep 2012 00:48:06
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NineCoronas
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Posted - 28 Sep 2012 :  15:32:15  Show Profile Send NineCoronas a Private Message
*Relief* Thanks THO :-)
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Cassie5squared
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Posted - 29 Sep 2012 :  10:00:29  Show Profile Send Cassie5squared a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by althen artren

Is there a paladin order to Azuth? I thought I have seen something about
one, but I just can't remember.

Ms. Hoody, this one is for you.
Can you give us some landmarks, abandoned towers, estates,
settlements, Harper drop sites, and what-nots under the
trees of Cormanthor. I want to put more things on my
Dalelands maps.



Ooh, this caught my interest. Are there many such sites (especially Harper-related ones) elsewhere in the realms, particularly on the Sword Coast and in the Lands of Intrigue, and could we have a list of some of them?

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xaeyruudh
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Posted - 29 Sep 2012 :  17:03:50  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message
In the original gray box, an example is given of why it's better for DMs not to give players access to specific "factual" information in the campaign, in this case NPC levels/etc. The line is "Hey, let's go over to Bugtown, the mayor there is only a 5th level fighter!"

This has me wondering, and smirking. It's the sort of thing I'd try to start a conversation with Ed about at a con if I had the chance. I'm sure I'd kick myself later, for asking such a "dumb" question, but I'd also kick myself if I didn't ask.

Part I, specifically regarding Bugtown: is this now or was it ever a place in your Realms (or another setting that you've written)? If it is in your Realms, does our wonderfully devoted THO have permission to share any of her notes with those of us who would find it terribly fun to include such a place in our games just because it sounds so wonky and yet we know you've done something clever/painful with it? Did you specifically write that outburst for the DM's Sourcebook of the Realms, and did you picture one of your players uttering it? Was it based on something someone actually said at the table? Not asking for names, of course; just wondering whether it's an "inside joke" kind of thing now between you.

I'm not trying to take it too seriously. I'm just thinking that there's a school of thought (at least one) which suggests that when a thing is named, it comes into some sort of being. Based on that, ...

Part II, more generally about previously-nonexistent names being dropped by other authors (or by yourself): do you ever/often/routinely write something in this sort of situation? Are there now-published examples in the Realms; names which once spontaneously appeared on the page as something else was being described, and which thereafter "demanded" to be developed?

edit: I'm going to have a great laugh if Bugtown is NDA. Please be NDA...

Edited by - xaeyruudh on 29 Sep 2012 17:12:50
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 29 Sep 2012 :  19:26:35  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Heh. I THINK that Bugtown line is Jeff's (= Jeff Grubb), not Ed's, but...of it goes, and we'll see. :}
Hugs,
Ed
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Markustay
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Posted - 29 Sep 2012 :  20:18:34  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
'Bugtown' reminds me of "the Head of Vecna".

In other words, like Xaeyruudh says, "once you name it, it becomes real" (in some way). Kinda like "from your mouth to god's ears" sort of thing (or "Speak of the devil and he doth appear").

Question: Will there be any 'crunchy bits' in Elminster's Forgotten Realms? Not as in 'rules', but rather, 'hard information' we can use in our games? You know, like the old Volo's Guides.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 30 Sep 2012 :  20:44:18  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
I'm inclined to think that was just an example, and was not referring to anything in the Realms.

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xaeyruudh
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Posted - 30 Sep 2012 :  21:34:23  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I'm inclined to think that was just an example, and was not referring to anything in the Realms.



If you're talking about Bugtown, I have no argument. However, I know when I'm writing... if a random name pops into my head I'm very likely to do something with it. It seems impossible to me that this would never happen to Ed, so I'm curious about whether it's a constant or merely occasional thing... and perhaps quietly crossing my fingers for a tale or two of silliness from the Realms' first gaming table.
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AryalůmŽ
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Posted - 30 Sep 2012 :  21:47:55  Show Profile Send AryalůmŽ a Private Message
Forgive me if I've already asked a question similar to this one before, but I just thought of this:

Has Ed ever done a campaign where it took place during or sometime before the Crown Wars? Specifically, anything to do with Aryvandaar before it fell? If so, is there any information that we can know about it? Things like settlements, notable characters, pretty much anything that is unique to Aryvandaar? I'm really interested in it's regional culture. Was there any particular style of dress that was common?

I better stop myself, just in case there isn't any information to be had :P
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CorellonsDevout
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Posted - 30 Sep 2012 :  22:31:16  Show Profile  Send CorellonsDevout an AOL message Send CorellonsDevout a Private Message
I'd like to know that too! I'm interested in anything elven ^^

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Markustay
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Posted - 30 Sep 2012 :  23:00:32  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
Quick Question I think THO will be able to answer:
Studying the older maps, I'm inclined to think that one had to pass through the edge of the Stonelands when traveling from Cormyr to Tilverton - is that correct?

Later maps seemed to reduce the Stonelands and move them west, stealing a big swath of the Goblin Marches in the process.

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The Sage
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Posted - 01 Oct 2012 :  02:50:40  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

Quick Question I think THO will be able to answer:
Studying the older maps, I'm inclined to think that one had to pass through the edge of the Stonelands when traveling from Cormyr to Tilverton - is that correct?

Later maps seemed to reduce the Stonelands and move them west, stealing a big swath of the Goblin Marches in the process.

I think Ed might have peripherally-answered this before, when I once asked him about ancient dinosaur habitats in the Stonelands.

I'll check the archives.

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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 01 Oct 2012 :  15:32:19  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
xaeyruudh, according to Ed, Wooly is right in this case: Jeff wrote that Bugtown line, deliberately choosing something that sounded non-Realmsian, so it would be taken by most readers as an invented example rather than a sharing of Realmslore.
Sorry.
love,
THO
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 01 Oct 2012 :  15:56:25  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
This from Ed, to Cassie5squared, re. "Another question for Ed, this time on behalf of a friend; in the time of Azoun IV's reign, what would be the likelihood of a non-noble-born person being granted a knighthood and/or title? (The character is a half-orc born in Cormyr, with one human Cormyrean parent.) She mostly wants to know if it's at all plausible."
Ed replies:

Hi! The likelihood depends entirely on character performance, of course - - meaning: knighthoods are handed out to mark outstanding actions of benefit to the Crown, hoping for ongoing loyalty/service to the Crown. Titles mean either being settled with land or marrying into royalty or senior nobility, and in either case assuming what we would call an ongoing "job" for the realm. Being a half-orc makes it less likely to get a title, but performance and loyalty overrides all.


So saith Ed. Who is wildly busy right now . . .
love to all,
THO
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Markustay
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Posted - 01 Oct 2012 :  16:32:36  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
Interesting, and makes me think of another question:

Azoun IV seemed to be a very forward-thinking type of guy. How common was it for non-humans to be elevated to positions of power during his reign? How about compared to 'in the past' of Cormyr? Have there been demi-human (or even humanoid) nobility in Cormyr? How about in the military? Anyone of note?

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Cassie5squared
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Posted - 01 Oct 2012 :  22:57:10  Show Profile Send Cassie5squared a Private Message
Thank you very much THO and Ed! My friend is delighted with that information.

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 02 Oct 2012 :  18:21:54  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
You're very welcome.
I have a few tentative beginnings of answers for NineCoronas ("Ed" means a direct quote, "A:" means an answer derived from me paraphrasing Ed):

"2) What are common oaths a Paladin of Mystra takes?"
A: Ed says one of them is to defend all who use arcane magic from persecution because of their magic use. Another is to destroy no enchanted item, no matter what.

"3) How would the established churches of Mystra react to a Paladin of their goddess that does not integrate with their organizations?"
Ed: Quite well, because many of the relatively few paladins of Mystra act more or less as solo agents, assisting Mystran clergy when they are 'on the scene,' but otherwise following directives Mystra or Mystra's servitors (beings of the Weave) have personally given them. It doesn't matter whether or not individual priests of Mystra like this state of affairs; it's become the norm.

"4) What exactly happens in a typical 15th of Marpenoth (Reference: 3.5ed's Mystra's ascension) celebration? Are they big groups, or on a smaller, personal level?"
A: Ed says they're almost all small personal celebrations (in temples, individual prayer vigils), not revels.

"6) What actions would a Paladin have to take for Mystra to strip him/her of his powers? How forgiving of mistakes is she (I.E., a Paladin is tricked into something, etc.)?"
A: Ed says very forgiving. Second chances, accepts human fallibility (so few or no consequences if tricked into something).

"8) What colors are Paladins of Mystra required to wear... and in the same vein as the above question, is it Mystra that requires them to wear those colors, or the religious order?"
Ed: The religious order demands paladins of Mystra wear such colors if they want to recognized as paladins in good standing BY CLERGY OF MYSTRA. Mystra demands nothing in this regard. The colors are blue-white and silver, or failing that, royal blue and white. Best of all: a circle of seven or nine white stars or dots on a blue field (sash, surcoat, or cloak).

There. A start, at least. More from Ed when he can.
love,
THO
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 02 Oct 2012 :  18:39:22  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Re. this, from Markustay:
"Azoun IV seemed to be a very forward-thinking type of guy."
Ed saith:


He was. Azoun was as rebellious a youth as any, and so inclined to fight with Vangerdahast (his main tutor). However, zoun was very bruight, and always open to new ideas - - increasingly open-minded as the years passed, and always willing to listen to new ideas from any source (particularly as he saw the increasing ossification of the senior nobility of the realm). Vangey and Azoun's wife, Queen Filfaeril, saw this, and brought various purveyors of new ideas (and insightful "intelligence" about the wider world) into contact with Azoun, so he received a steady flow of new ideas, and developed a very broadminded attitude.
Although non-human gentry and nobility were uncommon (Azoun wasn't in the business of forcibly marrying anyone to anyone else), they did appear in Cormyr's military in increasing numbers, on merit - - and that very merit eventually, in the widest sense rather than on the individual attitude to another individual level, made them accepted.
More when I can grab the time. Sorry. VERY busy right now.


So saith Ed. (And when Ed says he's very busy, the rest of us would call it "insanely busy" or some such.)
love,
THO
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Markustay
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Posted - 02 Oct 2012 :  19:12:15  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
Thank You for your answers.

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xaeyruudh
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Posted - 02 Oct 2012 :  19:51:18  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

"2) What are common oaths a Paladin of Mystra takes?"
A: Ed says one of them is to defend all who use arcane magic from persecution because of their magic use. Another is to destroy no enchanted item, no matter what.


First off, yay for info about churches! I'll raise my drink to more of this. When time permits, of course.

I'm curious about how strict this particular directive is, in cases where the church encounters enchanted items with wholly-evil (or more specifically wholly-destructive-to-users-of-magic) effects.

A sphere of annihilation is capable of destroying a city. However, properly harnessed, it can act as an incredibly efficient garbage disposal. So that's a gray area.

What about things that are utterly black? Does the church have to guard such an item, in honor of its enchantments, or can the item be destroyed in a ceremonial fashion, perhaps aimed at re-uniting the magic bound into this item with the Weave and hence with Mystra, to be available for a more constructive endeavor in the future?

Would this directive extend to protecting creatures who are composed of or who feed on or disrupt the use of magic? Hakeashars, balhiir, etc...?
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NineCoronas
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Posted - 02 Oct 2012 :  22:35:14  Show Profile Send NineCoronas a Private Message
Can't wait for the rest :) Thanks THO/Ed! Look forward to the rest.
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AryalůmŽ
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Posted - 02 Oct 2012 :  23:10:36  Show Profile Send AryalůmŽ a Private Message
Just curious, but did my question get drowned out or is it still awaiting a proper answer?
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