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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 12 Oct 2012 :  17:19:59  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Sightless

Lady, Ed, I have another question for you both, this comes from the newly aquired Grand history of the realms. A most excellent resource if I do say so.

One of the sections however reads as follows:

"Flamerule 29: Reports spread through Amn and Murann that the ancient
dwarf realm of Xothaerin is home to a large colony of stingers, strange
human–scorpion centaurlike hybrids.
"


So I'm wondering who exactly are these folk? where did they come from? Any info will be good, Big thanks in advance.



They're called tlincalli, or manscorpions. The come from Maztica, if I remember correctly.

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The Red Walker
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Posted - 12 Oct 2012 :  17:48:56  Show Profile Send The Red Walker a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Sightless

Lady, Ed, I have another question for you both, this comes from the newly aquired Grand history of the realms. A most excellent resource if I do say so.

One of the sections however reads as follows:

"Flamerule 29: Reports spread through Amn and Murann that the ancient
dwarf realm of Xothaerin is home to a large colony of stingers, strange
human–scorpion centaurlike hybrids.
"


So I'm wondering who exactly are these folk? where did they come from? Any info will be good, Big thanks in advance.



Here friend...


Tlincalli
Large Monstrous Humanoid
   
Source(s): Forgotten Realms 2 (MC11)
Alignment: Neutral Evil
Climate/Terrain: Warm Underground or Desert
Rarity: Rare
Experience Value: 5,000
See Also: Manscorpion, Nimmurian; Manscorpion

Appearing as part human and part scorpion, these have dark-skinned human torsos with bony plates covering their chest and stomach. The remaineder of their body is a bony plated insectoid body supported on six legs which trails away to a poisonous tail-stinger.


And a scroll here at Candlekeep ...

http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12897

And apparently 221 dale reckoning was the year of the melting manscorpion......sounds cool!

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Edited by - The Red Walker on 12 Oct 2012 18:07:55
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Markustay
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Posted - 12 Oct 2012 :  19:03:23  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
And they migrated from Maztica (and can be found in those sources) to Faerûn through a subterranean passage. They began that long journey in Lands of Intrigue, if I recall correctly. Then for some reason they finished their trip by casting a ritual which transported them all directly to Faerûn (Grand History of the Realms).

Althouh we were never given an explanation for their change in plans, my thoughts on the matter are that they were using the tunnel that the dwarves and drow used to get to Maztica in centuries past. That tunnel had completely collapsed behind them, as per that lore (and obviously even dwarves couldn't fix it), so I assume that the Manscorpions eventually got to the cave-in, and rather then give up they cast that ritual (one still has to wonder why they did not do so in the first place... a cost?)

So this was Maztica lore, then Schend* lore (IIRC), and finally lore from the GHotR. None of it is 'Ed lore', if I am not mistaken.

Question: If one was under some sort of befuddlement or dexterity-hampering affect, and one was having trouble putting on one's own shoes, would a Shoehorn of Puissant Castleblasting give any sort of bonus for that? Or is that the one thing it does not do?

Now the real question - would said item record EVPs? (I am sure you know what that means, but just in case someone doesn't, thats the ability to record sounds you don't here 'live' when in an environment, like the whisperings of a ghost).

*EDIT: Looking at the 'Maztica Revisted' section of LoI I can't find any mention of the tlincallis, so now I am not sure where it was mentioned that they were initially tunneling. That leaves either the older Maztica sources or the 3e FR campaign guide. That takes Steven Schend out of that particular loop.



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Edited by - Markustay on 12 Oct 2012 19:03:51
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Sightless
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Posted - 12 Oct 2012 :  19:30:06  Show Profile Send Sightless a Private Message
Hmmm, I don't hear anything else about them in Grand history of the Relms Marcus, let me go back and look again. and thanks for the help, forgive me for being a little dense,
So... we aren't entirely sure where they come from?

I assume that they're one of those mysterious races that just happens to be running round, or do they have an origin?

You know what I should probably do the intelegent thing and have a listen to that scroll first.

I have reasons for being rather interested in the group, which isn't entirely related to my post in the rise of the underdark thread.

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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High

Australia
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Posted - 13 Oct 2012 :  01:38:33  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

And they migrated from Maztica (and can be found in those sources) to Faerûn through a subterranean passage. They began that long journey in Lands of Intrigue, if I recall correctly. Then for some reason they finished their trip by casting a ritual which transported them all directly to Faerûn (Grand History of the Realms).
Monsters of Faerûn, briefly, carries the ambition of the tlincalli somewhat forward, as well, into the 3e Realms.

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rjfras
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Posted - 13 Oct 2012 :  01:56:31  Show Profile  Visit rjfras's Homepage Send rjfras a Private Message
The tlincallis are also mentioned briefly in Power of Faerun in the timeline a bit past Flamerule to the Stinger War.
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CorellonsDevout
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Posted - 13 Oct 2012 :  18:01:25  Show Profile Send CorellonsDevout a Private Message
Hey THO and Ed!

I should probably leave this topic alone, but with the big changes coming to the Realms, it has been on my mind, since it's one of the things I love about the Realms. So some of the gods are coming back during the Sundering, but what about the ones who never left (Lathander/Amaunataur, Corellon, Lolth, Moradin, Garl Glittergold, etc). What will happen to them? This is probably NDA, but...a little reassurance will be nice. I only recently joined the WotC site, and I was looking at some of the FR forums, namely the ones about the gods, and one was asking people to name who they thought should be the most iconic gods of 5e. Some of my favorites were exlcuded by a number of people, and while I have my concerns and questions, I'll try and limit them.

Which gods does Ed see as the most iconic, and if a 5e FRCG were to come out, which gods would he want to see listed and given the most detail?

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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 13 Oct 2012 :  18:08:10  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi, xaeyruudh! Here's the short, swift answer
love,
THO



Thank you! Sounds like a record of this variety of musical chairs could fill a few shelves.
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khorne
Master of Realmslore

Finland
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I have a question regarding Outsiders. This question was inspired by the backstory to Blizzard's Diablo series, where the world was created when renegade demons and angels came together and decided that eternal conflict was not for them. What would happen if one day a Solar and a Balor appeared outside of say, Waterdeep's gates and asked if they could immigrate? The Solar isn't Fallen, just retired, and the Balor has become chaotic neutral instead of evil. They've both decided to retire to the Prime Material. Truthfinding magic will find that they are sincere and not attempting any deception.

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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 14 Oct 2012 :  00:20:49  Show Profile Send Dalor Darden a Private Message
I have long wondered about the wizard Whisper...what exactly happened to him (besides death)...what in particular happened regarding him and his conflict with Ed's home group?

I would appreciate any and all information about him...if even just a direction to look in to find out as much as possible.

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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 14 Oct 2012 :  16:35:32  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Ah, Whisper. Such an energetic, nasty man, a low-level mage who punched far above his weight because he was so active in meddling and scheming (rather like Elminster, come to think of it). He was almost the perfect Zhentarim "low-level guy on the ground in this locale" until we came along.
I'll leave it to Ed to reveal more (because some implications and leads connected to Whisper are "still in play" in the home Realms campaign).
love,
THO
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Sightless
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Posted - 14 Oct 2012 :  17:16:47  Show Profile Send Sightless a Private Message
Now, I'm probably getting close to being nose to nose with being a bother, as I've asked this question to two different realms authors, and now here is the third. the reason, simple, I'm not sure who is the best to ask, and I expect, as it often seems the case with my questions somebody here may already have the answer.

I'm not sure who is the best person to be asking this question to, if you aren't the best person to ask, or if you feel you can direct me to another source, I would be most appreciative. I am attempting to deal with Lady Hope’s sons, birthdays, who is alive, and what positions they might have as of 1479. From what I can get of the source material I have, and what Dragon-magazines I can listen to, has lead to the following: Tarthilmor Aerasume (CG hem F11/W12) is set as one of the two Captains of
the Spellguard under Jorus Azuremantle. DRAGON ANNUAL #1, p60

Methrammar Aerasume, the Shining Guard (LG hem F14/W12) and commander of
Luruar's armies. THE NORTH, Cities p55

Dalbrant Tanagathor (1240 - 1313?) Disappeared while on quest given him by
Taerntym

Hardorbryn Tanagathor (1242 - 1343) Twin of Alondel; died in battle with
the Moonlight Men

Alondel Tanagathor (1242 - 1343) Twin of Hardorbryn; died in battle with
the Moonlight Men

Boesild Aerasume (1244 - ?) Oldest known/acknowledged surviving son of
Alustriel; former apprentice of Khelben the Elder just after he left
Waterdeep in 1256; now part of the Teukiira/Moonstars.

Elnriyr Moonweather (1250 - 1347) Priest of Sehanine; died in the fire that destroys Everdusk Hall

Baerndar Tanagathor (1266 - ?)

Uoundeld of Silverymoon (1269 - ?) Teacher at the Lady's College (Tactical
&
Strategic Spellcasting)

Dolthauvin Aerasume (1295 - ?) Wanderer in the Moonwood & Coldwood

Elinthalar Tanagathor (1299 - ?) Twin of Andelver; wanderer of Lurkwood

Andelver Tressymfriend (1299 - ?) Twin of Elinthalar; wanderer of Lurkwood

Methrammar Aerasume (1304 - ?) The Shining Guard & most recognized son of
Alustriel

Inthylyn of Silverymoon (1314 - ?) ?????????????????

Lilinthar Moonweather (1337 - ?) Triplet brother of Naerond & Tarthilmor;
huntmaster of Moonweather clan in Moonwood?

Naerond Aerasume (1337 - ?) Triplet brother of Lilinthar & Tarthilmor;
crusader/mage for Mystra?

Tarthilmor Aerasume (1337 - ?) Triplet brother of Naerond & Lilinthar;
Spell
Captain of the Spellguard in Silverymoon

Raerilarr Aerasume (1340 - ?) Smallest of Tall Ones at 6'7" and nicknamed
"Tiny" by brothers; most hot-tempered of brothers, rabid drow hunter.
Ghaelryss the Bold (1345 - ?) Uses no surname, raised in Silverymoon,
living in Everlund?

I am assuming that Methrammar is king with his mother’s passing, as he is the most recognized, if not necessarily the oldest. As I have said I shall be grateful for any help on the matter.

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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 14 Oct 2012 :  20:46:17  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message
And another one... can more be said (beyond what's in Volo's Guide) of Kulzar and Moarinskoar, old sailors of Waterdeep now passed but not forgotten?

Is Kulzar still around in some form? Is there really a treasure, and if so surely it's not actually buried under the alley, right? Was he inclined toward good or ill, in life? Do any of his friends or family members (descendants? contemporaries?) still survive in Waterdeep, or elsewhere?

Is Moarinskoar wholly rapacious, sparing only those who agree to carry his words to his family... or could he be like an Elaith of the sea, self-serving but complicated? Should we veer strongly away from comparisons with Davy Jones from Pirates of the Caribbean? Obviously Moarinskoar is not mindless; just how intelligent is he? When did his pirate career begin, and when did he become what he is now? Was it an event that transformed him and his crew, together, or was it a gradual process? Was there a pact of some sort involved, perhaps with Umberlee (or an unexpected "patron")?

Were the names just names, and all of this left completely to our imagination?

Also, I heartily second the interest in more tales of Whisper.

Edited by - xaeyruudh on 14 Oct 2012 20:46:51
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 14 Oct 2012 :  23:39:15  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Ah, Sightless and xaeyruudh, you have both posed questions that I THINK have NDAs lurking around and perhaps all over them, and that only Ed can answer, so...off to him they go.
As he sits in his basement, happily pounding away at the keyboard.
love,
THO
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Bladewind
Master of Realmslore

Netherlands
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Posted - 15 Oct 2012 :  16:21:09  Show Profile Send Bladewind a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Icelander

Would it be a frightful imposition to hope for a few more details about the most noted swordsmen (swordwenches/swordbeings) in the Realms?

The list you've given us so far, for the year 1375 DR, includes:

Harmel Artru
Loaros Hammarandar
Ember Tsartaera
Skoalam Marlgrask
Lyaunthra Aldegal
Sraece Telthorn
Ulmaer Rivrymm


I'm interested in anything that you can tell me that would help a GM portray them in a campaign where PCs might decide to seek out people with a reputation as martial arts masters. Several of my PCs might want to take lessons from any of the above they might have heard about and who live near their area of operations (Inner Sea). Our campaign year is 1373 DR, but I expect that all of the warriors above are active and notable martial artists then as well as two years later.

I'd be very interested if Ed could provide the names and some details on any other martial artists, fencers and teachers of martial skills that would be famous around the Inner Sea lands at this time. Living ones, in particular, but also dead ones if they taught a style or school that is still popular. Doesn't matter whether they are swordsmen, masters of polearms, knife-fighters wrestlers or hatchetmen.

I'd also love to hear more about the ones whose names we already know. Information about personality,, looks, history and relationships with groups or individuals around them is great, obviously, but I'm also looking for details about their style of swordsmanship and fighting.

Such as what kind of blades they favour, whether they stress cross-training with all sorts of weapons and swords or have a very specialised and narrowly focused expertise in one weapon design and fighting style and whether they fight with sword and shield, sword and cloak, a second weapon in the off-hand or with a live hand for grappling. Also, stuff about their fighting philosophy and combat tactics, such as the difference between Italian School rapier and Spanish School in Earth history.

I want to be able to portray a difference between students of the style of bladework represented by Harmel Artru and those trained by Sraece Telthorn. Or between those and Skoalam Marlgrask.

Any information you can see your way to releasing, at any time convenient, would be most welcome.

Background:

One PC, Sir Michael Carragher of Ravens Bluff, is gifted athlete, a prodigy as a warrior and has been trained by several fine weapon masters from Cormyr, Impiltur, the Vast and Chondath. He has a keen interest in anything to do with weapons and the art of fighting.

Another PC, Murlak Solstice, is not only a classically trained fencer from Saerloon (now living in Ravens Bluff), he's also a merchant lord with contacts in dozens of ports and an encyclopedic knowledge of current events and 'people of consequence'*


*Movers and shakers, powerful people, rich people, people with a certain reputation or a very particular set of skills, etc.


I'd like to chip in and say I'm very eager to know more about the favorite weapons and tactical philosphies used by the Masters of Arms/Defence in the realms.

A good deal of PC's and plot related characters have training in a whole range of (martial) weapons, and will likely have learned it from the local militia or personal use. A true focus on a single weapon can emerge from a more civilian use of blades coinciding with duelling culture.

Have any specific specialised weaponschools emerged, is this a recent thing or is it possible to recognize a persons heritage from the way they handle the blade? I too am eagerly awaiting any words Ed can share.

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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore

USA
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Posted - 15 Oct 2012 :  16:49:22  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by xaeyruudh

Were the names just names, and all of this left completely to our imagination?


At the very least, then, I can pencil in a "no" to this question.

Thankya.
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NineCoronas
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Posted - 15 Oct 2012 :  22:23:51  Show Profile Send NineCoronas a Private Message
Hooded One, has Ed come up with anymore insights into the rest of my questions?
Excuse my pushiness. :)

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The Red Walker
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Wooly or Sage one of you I believe did a rather eloquent explanation on how Ask Ed works, explaining how some queries take years to get answered and some almost instantly. Which depends on what Ed is working on and how busy he is. It also explained just how busy he is.

Its easy for new scribes here to not understand these things, is it possible for that explanation to appear at the top of every page in this scroll?

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Sightless
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And I hope the Lady and Ed understand that I generally consider my questions less important than others, I truelly have no problems waiting until others questions are all answered before mine are gotten to. and if they never do, it's not a problem. I am quite honored and extremly grateful to the two of them for doing this.


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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High

Australia
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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 :  03:00:38  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker

Wooly or Sage one of you I believe did a rather eloquent explanation on how Ask Ed works, explaining how some queries take years to get answered and some almost instantly. Which depends on what Ed is working on and how busy he is. It also explained just how busy he is.

Its easy for new scribes here to not understand these things, is it possible for that explanation to appear at the top of every page in this scroll?

Indeed.

NineCoronas, the Red Walker has it right. Ed's technique of answering questions doesn't follow any kind of specific pattern. Nor does he forget previously asked questions from the past few days, to the past few years. The ever-vigilant Lady Herald of Realmslore -- The Hooded One -- provides a listing of questions asked and [undoubtedly] questions answered.

If and when Ed possibly has more to add re: your queries, he will send them through the Lady Hooded One for posting here at Candlekeep. Just because Ed moves on to other replies... doesn't necessarily mean he's done with your own. It's just the way his replying-technique works.

So please, remain patient. Both Ed and the Lady Herald will get to your query in time.

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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 :  03:35:44  Show Profile Send Dalor Darden a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Ah, Whisper. Such an energetic, nasty man, a low-level mage who punched far above his weight because he was so active in meddling and scheming (rather like Elminster, come to think of it). He was almost the perfect Zhentarim "low-level guy on the ground in this locale" until we came along.
I'll leave it to Ed to reveal more (because some implications and leads connected to Whisper are "still in play" in the home Realms campaign).
love,
THO



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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 :  05:18:38  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker

Wooly or Sage one of you I believe did a rather eloquent explanation on how Ask Ed works, explaining how some queries take years to get answered and some almost instantly. Which depends on what Ed is working on and how busy he is. It also explained just how busy he is.

Its easy for new scribes here to not understand these things, is it possible for that explanation to appear at the top of every page in this scroll?



Here's what I said recently, though I'm not sure it qualifies as eloquent.

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert


No question in Ed's thread gets drowned out; his Lovely Hooded Emissary passes on everything to him, sometimes including discussions on other threads.

Ed is one insanely busy guy. He has a creative output to rival that of the hypothetical Shakespearean monkeys, on top of a day job and other commitments. On top of that, he doesn't always have the answer to any given question readily available -- there is much Realmslore to be found piled in boxes and such in his legendary basement. And on top of that, he treads an ever-shifting minefield of NDAs and projects he has to avoid speaking on. Sometimes he can't even mention an NDA without giving something away.

So, long story short -- your question has been forwarded to Ed. He may answer within hours, you may be waiting for a few years -- I've got unanswered questions going back at least 3 or 4 yours, myself.

Even being able to email him directly doesn't guarantee a swift answer to a lore question...


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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 :  18:40:24  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
That insanely busy guy Ed is even more insanely busy than usual today, but he found time to drop me a tiny Realmslore tidbit, that enables me to state this:

xaeyruudh, it would be correct to view Moarinskoar as, in your words, "self-serving but complicated."
More will be forthcoming, when Ed can claw out some time (right now, he's at work at the library, having shifted more than a ton of stuf in his basement to make room for a water meter installation, and started two roasts cooking in two separate outdoor ovens). More Realms when he can, he promises.
love to all,
THO
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crazedventurers
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 :  21:07:01  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dalor Darden

I have long wondered about the wizard Whisper...what exactly happened to him (besides death)...what in particular happened regarding him and his conflict with Ed's home group?

I would appreciate any and all information about him...if even just a direction to look in to find out as much as possible.


Ed was kind enough to write this about Whisper in response to a question or three i asked a couple of years ago.

Cheers

Damian


No, all Zhentarim mages do NOT have a “special Brotherhood name.” A few have taken “bolder, cooler” names by personal choice when first attempting to join the ranks of the Zhentarim (usually because they are dissatisfied with their birth name for some reason), but it’s not a practice encouraged by the Brotherhood, done all that often, or undertaken to denote being accepted into (or achieving a rank within) the Brotherhood.
In this specific case, Whisper was a long-ago wizard of middling power (9th to 12th level, I believe) who fashioned his own tomb out of a “hidehold” he’d constructed for himself, earlier in life, and was interred there.
This is in the bygone days when few humans dwelt in the area, and elves dominated (Whisper was the “classic” sort of mage who wants to dwell and study in isolation, far from fellow humans who might pester, and built himself a tower in a desolate, rocky part of the Stonelands that doesn’t survive; a dragon tore it apart after his death to take any treasure that might lie therein, and to make of it a roost and perhaps nest for breeding). This “first” Whisper’s real name is now forgotten; in life, he used the nickname given to him for his normal speaking voice, which was a hissing, menacing-sounding (even when he wasn’t trying to sound menacing) whisper.
His remains had vanished (no one knows where or how; if he became undead, he never returned to “haunt” his tomb) by the time a much later Zhentarim mageling (novice wizard of low power) happened upon them after being ordered to the vicinity of Eveningstar to be the local Zhent spy and “safehold keeper” (host of a place where visiting Zhentarim members could hide in). The mageling took the name (and fell, impressive “villain behind much” reputation in local folklore of the original Whisper, which was probably largely undeserved) of Whisper, and gained much power from the magic items he found in the Crypt.

Whisper’s 2nd level status is not a misprint; he gained not just the original Whisper’s magic, but the Seven Lost Rings you refer to, and many other tomb-treasures and hidden treasure caches he found in the Stonelands, and used these items to wield Art far above his trained mastery. So, yes, he is using Chain Lightning, but it does come from a magic item (a ring of spell storing, if I remember rightly, but it could also have been from other items in the large pile he amassed).

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
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Thank you Ed and THO re: Moarinskoar, and thanks Damian!

So Whisper2 found Whisper1's tower in the Stonelands, found much magic therein which was missed by the dragon (or perhaps elsewhere in the Stonelands?), and then followed orders sending him to the area of Eveningstar.

In keeping with my obsession with matching names with deeds/dates, was that dragon who tore Whisper1's tower apart perhaps given a name at some point?

On a side note, does Ed's basement utilize the properties of Sagespace?
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Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all.
That insanely busy guy Ed is even more insanely busy than usual today, but he found time to drop me a tiny Realmslore tidbit, that enables me to state this:

xaeyruudh, it would be correct to view Moarinskoar as, in your words, "self-serving but complicated."
More will be forthcoming, when Ed can claw out some time (right now, he's at work at the library, having shifted more than a ton of stuf in his basement to make room for a water meter installation, and started two roasts cooking in two separate outdoor ovens). More Realms when he can, he promises.
love to all,
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Is he pressure cooking, smoking, deep backing, or sun frying that meat madum?

And if you shall beg my parden, is the presence of the water meter in the lower room for supplementary purposes, or is it to replace one elsewhere that is no longer working?

Lastly, has Ed ever battled with that most nasty of issues, the basement fludding?

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quote:
Originally posted by xaeyruudh

Thank you Ed and THO re: Moarinskoar, and thanks Damian!

So Whisper2 found Whisper1's tower in the Stonelands, found much magic therein which was missed by the dragon (or perhaps elsewhere in the Stonelands?), and then followed orders sending him to the area of Eveningstar.

In keeping with my obsession with matching names with deeds/dates, was that dragon who tore Whisper1's tower apart perhaps given a name at some point?

On a side note, does Ed's basement utilize the properties of Sagespace?



I can answer the last...no it doesn't, Ed is able to actually locate most of what he tries to find with a year or three, Sage queries stretch close to decades

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Edited by - The Red Walker on 16 Oct 2012 23:11:12
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I can answer the last...no it doesn't, Ed is able to actually locate most of what he tries to find with a year or three, Sage queries stretch close to decades



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quote:
Originally posted by xaeyruudh

Thank you Ed and THO re: Moarinskoar, and thanks Damian!

So Whisper2 found Whisper1's tower in the Stonelands, found much magic therein which was missed by the dragon (or perhaps elsewhere in the Stonelands?), and then followed orders sending him to the area of Eveningstar.

In keeping with my obsession with matching names with deeds/dates, was that dragon who tore Whisper1's tower apart perhaps given a name at some point?

On a side note, does Ed's basement utilize the properties of Sagespace?



I can answer the last...no it doesn't, Ed is able to actually locate most of what he tries to find with a year or three, Sage queries stretch close to decades

That's almost true. I've been at Candlekeep now, for over 10 years, so that's one decade within which my queries can stretch.

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Originally posted by The Red Walker

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Originally posted by xaeyruudh

Thank you Ed and THO re: Moarinskoar, and thanks Damian!

So Whisper2 found Whisper1's tower in the Stonelands, found much magic therein which was missed by the dragon (or perhaps elsewhere in the Stonelands?), and then followed orders sending him to the area of Eveningstar.

In keeping with my obsession with matching names with deeds/dates, was that dragon who tore Whisper1's tower apart perhaps given a name at some point?

On a side note, does Ed's basement utilize the properties of Sagespace?



I can answer the last...no it doesn't, Ed is able to actually locate most of what he tries to find with a year or three, Sage queries stretch close to decades

That's almost true. I've been at Candlekeep now, for over 10 years, so that's one decade within which my queries can stretch.



Indeed! And in that 10+ years, he's completed almost 3 things on his To-Do list!

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