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Portella
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Posted - 10 Aug 2012 :  19:26:36  Show Profile  Visit Portella's Homepage Send Portella a Private Message
Fifty shades of forgotten realms

Joke's aside that is a good question THO are you able to gives us a taste of uncensored realms?

Purple you say?!

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Markustay
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Posted - 10 Aug 2012 :  19:41:06  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
WOW

I was actually thinking of starting a topic with that name just two days ago, but it had nothing to do with this (well... almost nothing... it had to do with morality and FR characterizations). I thought better of it - its one of those 'hot topics' and right now we don't need that kind of BS.

Really I was just going to have it BE Fifty Shades of Grey - figure the name alone would get everyone to read the topic.

Anyhow, the idea was to compare 2-dimensional, B&W characterizations to the more modern 'shades of grey' way that characters in various genre are portrayed nowadays. The premise is that 'good & evil' are highly subjective. once again, it would have been a hot button I'd rather not press at this time (and yet, I asked the above question... silly me).

*grammatical edit

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50 Shades of Gray Richardson? Did I miss something?!?


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Lady Shadowflame
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Faerun's elves have some interesting and distinct traits.

I have to ask Ed, as the man behind the world, how he'd actually envision the 'gold-flecked eyes' that tend to be sported by moon elves. Just the prosaic human spiky ring of lighter colour in the eyes, or genuine little spots of golden colour, like said elf has tiny stars in their eyes?

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The Hooded One
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Hello again, all.
Lady Shadowflame, I can confirm that Ed's "gold-flecked elven eyes" have genuine little spots of golden hue that gleam/shine/glint differently than the rest of the eye - - so, yes, very much as if the elf has tiny stars in their eyes.
I can also confirm (considering the preceding posts made in this thread) that Ed's elves, male and female, have the following additional "hot" erogenous zones: the backs of the knees, the palms of the hands, and the tips of the ears.
Just serving forth requested lore . . .
love to all,
THO
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sfdragon
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hello again, all.
Lady Shadowflame, I can confirm that Ed's "gold-flecked elven eyes" have genuine little spots of golden hue that gleam/shine/glint differently than the rest of the eye - - so, yes, very much as if the elf has tiny stars in their eyes.
I can also confirm (considering the preceding posts made in this thread) that Ed's elves, male and female, have the following additional "hot" erogenous zones: the backs of the knees, the palms of the hands, and the tips of the ears.
Just serving forth requested lore . . .
love to all,





THO




what about the halflings erogenous zones???

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Lady Shadowflame
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hello again, all.
Lady Shadowflame, I can confirm that Ed's "gold-flecked elven eyes" have genuine little spots of golden hue that gleam/shine/glint differently than the rest of the eye - - so, yes, very much as if the elf has tiny stars in their eyes.
I can also confirm (considering the preceding posts made in this thread) that Ed's elves, male and female, have the following additional "hot" erogenous zones: the backs of the knees, the palms of the hands, and the tips of the ears.
Just serving forth requested lore . . .
love to all,
THO


Thank you very much for that swift confirmation.

Regarding the ears thing, I wonder if it could be confirmed, the viability/actual presence among any elves of an item I came up with and attributed to one of the more... amorously-inclined drow Houses; eartip paint. I attributed to them a scented - and flavoured - paint of a gold-ish colour as a striking highlight, that could be, er... removed later in an evening by a companion.
Pre-existing thing? Or simply viable?

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

So here is my question, to both THO and Ed - do you sometimes wish you had the more liberal ability to show the 'grittier' side of the Realms, like in those two settings I just mentioned? Both TSR and Hasbro did/do a lot of hand-tying in this regard, and I was wondering just how many stories Ed (and other authors) would love to tell, but can't?
As an addendum to this, specifically, since we know that in the past, TSR and Wizards have had some reservations about publishing Ed's material on religious rituals and practices, would Ed also include having more freedom to actively publish this kind of info via the liberalised version Markus speaks of above?

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quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hello again, all.
Lady Shadowflame, I can confirm that Ed's "gold-flecked elven eyes" have genuine little spots of golden hue that gleam/shine/glint differently than the rest of the eye - - so, yes, very much as if the elf has tiny stars in their eyes.
I can also confirm (considering the preceding posts made in this thread) that Ed's elves, male and female, have the following additional "hot" erogenous zones: the backs of the knees, the palms of the hands, and the tips of the ears.
Just serving forth requested lore . . .
love to all,





THO




what about the halflings erogenous zones???

And gnomes as well, for that matter? This could prove to be useful info for a gnomish couple that I have in my campaign currently.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hello again, all.
Lady Shadowflame, I can confirm that Ed's "gold-flecked elven eyes" have genuine little spots of golden hue that gleam/shine/glint differently than the rest of the eye - - so, yes, very much as if the elf has tiny stars in their eyes.
I can also confirm (considering the preceding posts made in this thread) that Ed's elves, male and female, have the following additional "hot" erogenous zones: the backs of the knees, the palms of the hands, and the tips of the ears.
Just serving forth requested lore . . .
love to all,
THO



Tips of the ears … isn't that actually referenced in one of the novels? Either Elaine's or Ed's? Something like "… you can bring an elven male to the height of passion by rubbing the tips of his ears"? Or am I thinking of a compete other setting?

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The Hooded One
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Hi again, all.
Lady Shadowflame, Ed does indeed have flavored (and of course coloured) eartip paint in the "home" Realms campaign. Though it's painted on, it's actually a water/saliva soluble vegetable-sap gel.
Intended for removal during foreplay (or fiveplay, or . . .)
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THO
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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by dravenloft

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hello again, all.
Lady Shadowflame, I can confirm that Ed's "gold-flecked elven eyes" have genuine little spots of golden hue that gleam/shine/glint differently than the rest of the eye - - so, yes, very much as if the elf has tiny stars in their eyes.
I can also confirm (considering the preceding posts made in this thread) that Ed's elves, male and female, have the following additional "hot" erogenous zones: the backs of the knees, the palms of the hands, and the tips of the ears.
Just serving forth requested lore . . .
love to all,
THO



Tips of the ears … isn't that actually referenced in one of the novels? Either Elaine's or Ed's? Something like "… you can bring an elven male to the height of passion by rubbing the tips of his ears"? Or am I thinking of a compete other setting?



I believe it was in Dream Spheres; Danilo used that trick on Arilyn.

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by dravenloft

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hello again, all.
Lady Shadowflame, I can confirm that Ed's "gold-flecked elven eyes" have genuine little spots of golden hue that gleam/shine/glint differently than the rest of the eye - - so, yes, very much as if the elf has tiny stars in their eyes.
I can also confirm (considering the preceding posts made in this thread) that Ed's elves, male and female, have the following additional "hot" erogenous zones: the backs of the knees, the palms of the hands, and the tips of the ears.
Just serving forth requested lore . . .
love to all,
THO



Tips of the ears … isn't that actually referenced in one of the novels? Either Elaine's or Ed's? Something like "… you can bring an elven male to the height of passion by rubbing the tips of his ears"? Or am I thinking of a compete other setting?



I believe it was in Dream Spheres; Danilo used that trick on Arilyn.

I thought it was Silver Shadows, actually.

Hmmm. Maybe I'll check up on that now.


Edit: No, Wooly's right. It was Dream Spheres. I've got the reference in a .doc file.

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Lady Shadowflame
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It's in Erik Scott de Bie's 'Depths of Madness', Elaine Cunningham's 'The Dream Spheres', and by Ed both 'Elminster in Myth Drannor' and 'Stormlight.'

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Cassie5squared
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It rather makes "shaking hands with an elf" sound like a wonderful euphemism for something.

I've recently been wondering something on a related topic; are there any known particular courtship traditions for elves? In particular, winged elves?

One of my characters is a winged elf girl who's trying to deal with a rather clumsy young human noble in the party, who's fallen in love with her. My main curiosity is what sort of behaviour and so on she would expect from him, if he's trying to court her. (She is still getting to grips with a lot of the subtleties of non-avariel culture, and thus gets stymied by things like this.)

Thanking you hopefully in advance.

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by dravenloft

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hello again, all.
Lady Shadowflame, I can confirm that Ed's "gold-flecked elven eyes" have genuine little spots of golden hue that gleam/shine/glint differently than the rest of the eye - - so, yes, very much as if the elf has tiny stars in their eyes.
I can also confirm (considering the preceding posts made in this thread) that Ed's elves, male and female, have the following additional "hot" erogenous zones: the backs of the knees, the palms of the hands, and the tips of the ears.
Just serving forth requested lore . . .
love to all,
THO



Tips of the ears … isn't that actually referenced in one of the novels? Either Elaine's or Ed's? Something like "… you can bring an elven male to the height of passion by rubbing the tips of his ears"? Or am I thinking of a compete other setting?



I believe it was in Dream Spheres; Danilo used that trick on Arilyn.

I thought it was Silver Shadows, actually.

Hmmm. Maybe I'll check up on that now.


Edit: No, Wooly's right. It was Dream Spheres. I've got the reference in a .doc file.



Might be that Danilo says it in that one, I can't say as I've never read or heard of that one. As I recall it was a woman who says it in whatever I read, might very well be in Silver Shadows, too.

Oh darn, now i've just got to reread all my Ed and Elaine books and short stories till I find it. Torture.

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Lady Shadowflame
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quote:
Originally posted by dravenloft

Might be that Danilo says it in that one, I can't say as I've never read or heard of that one. As I recall it was a woman who says it in whatever I read, might very well be in Silver Shadows, too.

Oh darn, now i've just got to reread all my Ed and Elaine books and short stories till I find it. Torture.


The particular line you're thinking of and semi-quoted before was said by Storm Silverhand, in Stormlight.
One of many very entertaining bits in that book, of course.

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quote:
Originally posted by dravenloft

Might be that Danilo says it in that one, I can't say as I've never read or heard of that one. As I recall it was a woman who says it in whatever I read, might very well be in Silver Shadows, too.

Oh darn, now i've just got to reread all my Ed and Elaine books and short stories till I find it. Torture.


The particular line you're thinking of and semi-quoted before was said by Storm Silverhand, in Stormlight.
One of many very entertaining bits in that book, of course.


Ah! Yes, thank you.

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Hi Ed and THO,

I have several questions about the Moondeep Sea as I'm working on developing this area for a campaign. Is this a saltwater or freshwater body? What kind of geography makes up the area, one huge cavern, a series of linked caverns etc? Would there be any info on aquatic life or plants you could share regarding the area? Is this a large enough sea where underdark races would create and sail on large boats? In Lisa Smedman's novel Storm of the Dead, there are references that the Moondeep is a magical sea and during moonlit hours on the surface, Selune and her Tears can be seen in reflection on the water's surface in the Moondeep. Would there be any more you could tell us about this effect? I'd imagine the local Underdark natives would dislike such a bright light source on an otherwise potentially viable trade route?

Thank you both for everything you do! Definitely looking forward to the upcoming Realms information in the coming weeks. I'm completely stoked! :)
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The Hooded One
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Hello again, all. Late tonight, Ed will fall e-silent for his annual drive down to GenCon (and I probably will, too, as I attempt my annual “see if I can sneak down to Indy and see Ed” foray), but he didn’t want to go without tending to some lore replies first. Erendriel Durothil is the first lucky scribe who gets some queries answered!
We begin with this, from back on June 21st: “1. Are there any societies where mages (or any type of arcane spell caster) are treated as if their powers are evil, to the point of those wielding magical powers are either forced into closely watched organizations or outright killed? (This question was sparked by the Circle of Magi in the Dragon Age setting)”
Ed replies:


Arcane-magic-hostile societies in the Realms, yes? Yes, many, but almost all of them small and of local reach rather than large realms (it’s hard to deny yourself something powerful and useful, no matter how much you may fear or detest it, that neighbours have and use daily). From barbarian and orc clans (and the southern, almost-extinct dwarven clans of Halthro and Jhairant) to the land of Murlaum east of Ulgarth, there are societies who shun arcane magic and cast out or slay those who wield it. Very little of this has made it into published Realmslore. Yet.
However, I’m working on this (as well as a host of other Realms things), so eventually, if I live long enough and the publisher says “yes” to this and that and those others, we just might see a few glimpses of this.


So saith Ed. More to come, soon.
Love,
THO
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The Hooded One
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Hi again, all! Next Ed tackles this query from Erendriel Durothil: “2. What are some events in which a character can become a chosen of Mystra? How does Mystra choose her chosen? Does she have a set amount of chosen at one time? What would one have to do in order to become a chosen of Mystra?”
Ed replies:


The lovely THO gave you good answers to these back on June 24th, but let me amplify a little:
Mortals are usually going to be unaware of the specific situations in which someone can become a Chosen of Mystra until Mystra Chooses someone. To mortals, it’s almost always going to be “out of the blue,” and her choices may (and have) seemed strange to some. (So a DM can have Mystra in his/her campaign make an offer to ANYONE, from a beholder to a PC adventurer thief who’s never so much as witnessed magic in his life.) However, Mystra doesn’t Choose often, and usually chooses people who do wield arcane magic, and are loners/outcasts/those who’ve seen some hardship, and are intelligent and sensitive. THO was right to tell you that Mystra doesn’t have a “set” number of Chosen. Being Chosen is a hard road that literally wears out most mortals fast, so Mystra has “gone through” a lot of Chosen over the years. A few have been corrupted or turned to suicide, many have collapsed and been gently retired, and a VERY few have doggedly survived, Elminster and the Seven (whom Mystra had a hand in creating, to “make” suitable mortals when she could find so few suitable mortals that had developed by themselves) being most prominent among them.
In general, if a PC seeks to become a Chosen, they never will. Mystra is suspicious of mortals who want to become a Chosen (and of course can possess someone either forcibly or as they sleep, and read their every thought and ambition). She prefers mortals who are reluctant to become a Chosen - - because such individuals have “worked out” better, over the years.
There have been times when deities have wanted to have lots of Chosen, and Mystra among them, but she (the first deity to have Chosen, back in her first incarnation) alone among the gods (that mortals “know,” at least), is FORCED to have Chosen, to divide up her divine essence among mortals. Mystra is unique among the gods in this regard. Other deities may decide to have Chosen as mortal champions or for other reasons, but Mystra MUST have Chosen - - and has a far less “boss to servitor” relationship with her Chosen than is possible for other deities. Her Chosen can, in large and small ways, defy her if they desire to, and survive for longer than, say, A Chosen of Asmodeus or Bane who dared to defy their master. So she chooses her Chosen VERY carefully. Yes, she can strip Chosen of their status and powers, but doing so is something akin to trying to substantially alter, with needle, thread, and knife, a sail that’s in use on a yacht sailing before strong wind, with the sail being the Weave, so it’s not something done casually.
As for specifically have Mystra chooses her Chosen, we know she observes possible candidates secretly, trying to discern their true natures and characters, particularly under stress. She’s looking for those with insight, foresight, kindness, understanding, patience, and a natural “feel” for the Art (arcane magic). But as far as individual specifics and Mystra’s personal decision-making: mysteries to mortals (except, in small glimpses, to some of her most trusted Chosen), and always will be.


Heh. "A little," eh? Ah, Ed, you are a treasure.
Ed was a GoH at OSRCon in Toronto yesterday, and was delighted to finally meet Ken St. Andre (creator of Tunnels & Trolls). He's looking forward to chatting with Ken again at GenCon, and meeting a lot of you, too!
love to all,
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Hello again, everyone! The flow of Ed replies continues . . .
More recently, Erendriel Durothil asked: “Are there any survivors of House Vyshaan of Aryvandaar? What sort of lore do we know about Aryvandaar other than it was a great Gold Elven kingdom and empire (besides the Crown War lore)? I'm really curious and anxious.”
Ed responds:


Yes, there are survivors of House Vyshaan. However, lore about them and about Aryvandaar is firmly NDA right now, so I can’t say much more. I’ll be checking at GenCon and after with certain folks to see what I can reveal, though . . . so stay tuned. Let me say this much: there are gold elves of the line of Vyshaan alive in the Realms today who know their heritage - - and there are gold elves of the line of Vyshaan alive in the Realms today who do not.


So saith Ed. Heh. Teasing as much as he can without saying all that much at all. That’s our Ed.
Love,
THO
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Hi again, all. Ed turns now to a June 25th followup (from Erendriel Durothil’s questions) query from Eldacar (that I’ve edited down here): “I'm curious about what would hypothetically result if a Chosen of Mystra (or similar Chosen of other good deities, even though Mystra's Chosen are quite different) were to become ruler of one of those layers [[the Abyssal layers of Occipitus and Gaping Maw]]. Particularly if they became the Prince of Demons per one of the possible endings of Savage Tide. How would Mystra (or the deity in question that has invested a blessing or power in the individual) react?
Would she act to remove the essence from the Chosen, with the Chosen giving up the power willingly? Wait and watch, because this might allow for new power relationships throughout the planes to change? (Having an agent in control of an Abyssal layer could be a good thing, if they can resist the slide into evil and avoid succumbing to the temptation to become the new Demogorgon in more than title.) Or if (as it may well be) the slide into evil is truly inevitable, would she act as she did against Sammaster?
Or would the act of mixing the two "essences" (Mystra's power and Prince of Demons status) create a very messy explosion if/when the individual was unable to contain the energy within themselves, and let the essence return to Mystra as it normally would?”
Ed replies:


Great questions, Eldacar, and as usual, the answers are often “it depends.” On the deity they are Chosen of, how the Chosen rose to that position of rulership (i.e. their intent/motivations and shifts in personal nature/character, if any), and their own personal hardiness/constitution (because yes, they would perish or go mad and probably be slain by demons around them, if they’re too weak to handle the powers and conflicts between the powers they’re attempting to subsume). In most cases, most deities would be horrified and act to strip the Chosen of their Chosen status, deeming them “corrupted” and irrevocably lost, but many of the more scheming deities would see it as an opportunity, and “wait and watch and try to influence.” Even if a slide into evil was seen as inevitable, the result might still be “useful” - - to SOME deities.
How would it work out with Mystra, in a particular situation with a particular Chosen? Up to the DM in that campaign, of course, but we’ve seen in ELMINSTER IN HELL how she reacted in one such circumstance.


So saith Ed. Elucidating Realmslore every day, like the Energizer Bunny of game designers.
Speaking of which: after GenCon, Ed will be attending FanExpo 2012 in Toronto (at the Metro Convention Centre, downtown) Friday June 24, Saturday June 25, and Sunday June 26. Robin Laws and Monte Cook, among others, are fellow gaming guests, and Ed will be running a D&D game on Saturday night, for a lucky few!
love to all,
THO
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Posted - 12 Aug 2012 :  18:17:11  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Well met again, fellow scribes! Ed’s Realmslore replies continue, with a response to this post from Barastir, from June 25th: “Speaking of dragons, in the 2e Ruins of Myth Drannor boxed set, specifically in the adventure "The Wyrm Below," there is a mention to temple of a human cult to some "Aumrathar the Greater Dragon." THO, can you provide more details about this, or ask Ed if he has something to add? Sages, was anything else published or revealed about this cult, that I missed?
Was Aumrathar actually a dragon, an archetypical dragon, or a divine manifestation? Was it good, evil or neutral (after all, its cult was hidden, right)? If it was a dragon, to which race/color it belonged to? Was it a manifestation a Bahamut, Tiamat, or other known deity/entity? Was it a he or a she?”
Ed replies:

Aumrathar was an elder male gold dragon to whom something “happened” that his worshippers believe was ascension to divinity (but might have been empowerment by literally stumbling into ancient magic that transformed him, as some sages suggest, or the meddlings of Bahamut, Tiamat, or another draconic deity or dragon-interested god, as yet other sages have postulated).
To put it simply, it seems Aumrathar gained the ability to become any dragon type and age or either gender at will, shapeshifting as often as desired and gaining all powers and abilities of “his” assumed form (except perhaps - - mortals debate this - - not being able to gain the powers of ancient wyrms older than Aumrathar was when he “Changed”), while retaining the powers, memories, and capabilities he had before his Change. Aumrathar became a wanderer, hidden in many forms, visiting other dragons for the apparent aim of making lots of dragon babies and repopulating the Realms with dragons (of all sorts).
Some sages think this is mere meddling, or intended to break the power of human civilizations, while others think some dark deity is behind this, desiring to gain dragons as steeds, attack forces, and long-term servitors. Still others believe Aumrathar is the herald of a new age (or cycle) among dragons, and that this has nothing to do with other beings in the Realms at all (except as they’re inevitably affected by there being more hungry, power- and wealth-seeking dragons around).
Aumrathar’s cult in Myth Drannor is small, controversial, and something many don’t even want to think about, because they need to think about more immediate threats to the status quo.
The truth behind all this? Yet to be revealed, and I’d say up to individual DMs, because I can’t see the published Realms getting to addressing this anytime soon. However, I control not the Realms and see the future but poorly, so snatch up thy proverbial grains of salt and be ready, grasshopper . . . :}


So saith Ed. Venerable sensei of the Realms, who like all of us mere mortals, is getting more venerable by the day.
love to all,
THO

Edited by - The Hooded One on 12 Aug 2012 18:17:40
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Posted - 12 Aug 2012 :  18:24:33  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
And “hi” yet again!
This time, Ed responds to a Markustay query: “Ed, how would you (or did you) have handled adding 'Blackflame' (from The Five Shires) in Faerûn? I was thinking a Shar connection was obvious, but it doesn't really fit the lore at all. "Darkness without evil" doesn't really shoe-horn well with Realms fluff.”
Ed replies:


I put Blackflame into the Realms as I was designing THE FIVE SHIRES, to try it out. My players weren’t all that amused, as I recall. :}
I left its origins mysterious, but PC investigations pointed at connections to Silvanus and the Balance, to Talos, to Auril, and even to Moander (Entropy never really blossomed in the “home” Realms). Sages scorned all of these as mistaken - - and therein lies the delight of roleplaying; taking literal years of game play to slowly nibble away at underlying mysteries, large and small.
In short, they’re still at it (in the background, behind a lot of other intrigues), and I don’t want to ruin it for them.


So saith Ed. Darn, I’d been keeping very quiet on this one in hopes Ed would let something slip when he answered you, Markustay, but ’twas not to be . . .
Ah, well. Such a metagame assist would have robbed the roleplaying of something, anyway.
love,
THO
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