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The Sage
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Posted - 07 Aug 2012 :  03:47:02  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Oh, and one thing I forgot to add about "beef tea." According to my notes (taken during play, as Ed let drop various snippets of Realmslore), it's called "beef tea" regardless of what sort of meat is roasting, and thus supplied the drippings. Most likely in Cormyr and the Dalelands, is probably venison, then old tough oxen, then boar, then moose, then cattle, then domesticated hogs, then other sorts of "wildkill" such as bears, raccoons, and so on.
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Hmmm.

Does Waterdeep have a local derivative of "beef tea," Ed?

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So... I've been focusing most of my role-play fan-activities on Golarion lately, and in particular on the deity Milani (Chaotic Good, with a portfolio of uprisings and stuff) who fascinated me enough to even write some articles for Wayfinder on the subject, and I was wondering how come there's not really any matching deity in the Faerūnian pantheon (the closest, I guess, would be Lliira)? Is it Bane who snuffs any rebellious type who show potential of rising to godhood? Shar wants to keep the disgruntled adolescents dressed all in black to herself? Tyr and Helm can see why people are acting a bit disgruntled, "but there are right and proper ways to affect change, and torching the baron's castle with him still in it is not it!"?

If one of the existing deities (back in Old Grey Box or, later, the 1372 Realms) were to take up the portfolio of rebellions and uprisings, who does Ed think would be the best fit?

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Kajehase
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And as an aside: "Beef-tea" is amazing after a cold day's work outside in the snow.

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Garen Thal
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Posted - 07 Aug 2012 :  17:57:34  Show Profile  Visit Garen Thal's Homepage Send Garen Thal a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all!
Garen Thal, straight from my 1980 notes:

The Achilles tendon is known as a "garruth" to healers, and a "backblade" to the general public, and slicing it deliberately is "backblading" someone (as opposed to "hamstringing" them at the back of the knee). My notes don't have a term for when that part of the body gets injured unintentionally, sorry.
love,
THO



So what's the hamstring called, then?
Actually, I'd guess it's still the hamstring, given that it's located on the ham. The Achilles tendon, being named after a Greek figure (Achilles Johnson, feta cheese magnate*), wouldn't really be appropriate for the Realms, which is why I asked.


*No, not really.
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quote:
Originally posted by Kajehase

So... I've been focusing most of my role-play fan-activities on Golarion lately, and in particular on the deity Milani (Chaotic Good, with a portfolio of uprisings and stuff) who fascinated me enough to even write some articles for Wayfinder on the subject, and I was wondering how come there's not really any matching deity in the Faerūnian pantheon (the closest, I guess, would be Lliira)? Is it Bane who snuffs any rebellious type who show potential of rising to godhood? Shar wants to keep the disgruntled adolescents dressed all in black to herself? Tyr and Helm can see why people are acting a bit disgruntled, "but there are right and proper ways to affect change, and torching the baron's castle with him still in it is not it!"?

If one of the existing deities (back in Old Grey Box or, later, the 1372 Realms) were to take up the portfolio of rebellions and uprisings, who does Ed think would be the best fit?



I'd love Cayden Cailean, or someone similar, as a Realms deity. He's a perfect fit for one of my PCs-turned-NPCs.

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Well... (here I go beating my dead horse again), if you use the meta-setting concept, then Golarion is still within the greater D&D universe, and all its gods exist in it somewhere. Just because their cosmology is a bit different doesn't mean its a different place: It just means the mortals of that world look at the cosmology (and gods) a bit differently.

So, in other words, if you like a Pathfinder god, then use it. FR is known for its vast plethora of Interlopers.

Commentary/question on the body-parts thing: I love when something has a Realms-specific name, and I also love Realms-specific flora & fauna. Are there any body-parts (or other common things) that take names from Realms-specifc stuff. For instance, perhaps in the Realms a barrister (lawyer) might be derogatorily called 'a stirge'. That sort of thing.

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 07 Aug 2012 :  21:28:00  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Certainly. Right off the top of my head, I can give you one: the polite-in-all-company euphemism for the female genitalia: "the Heartland."
As in (from Realms plays we Knights have "seen" performed in play), "Imperil not my Heartland, my lord" or "I must confess that when he smiles, my Heartland stands interested."
Obviously not something likely to appear in official in-print Realmslore, but widespread and VERY mild/socially acceptable. A "dignified naughty" expression, if you will.

And for centuries tax collectors have been known as "claws," from another famous line from a play: "Keep clear of the claws of the grasping dragon." (Obviously, the state is the "grasping dragon," a phrase seen in print (in broadsheets and sages' histories) more than heard spoken.

These are just the first two examples that come to mind; Ed does a lot of this.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 07 Aug 2012 :  22:38:45  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Certainly. Right off the top of my head, I can give you one: the polite-in-all-company euphemism for the female genitalia: "the Heartland."
As in (from Realms plays we Knights have "seen" performed in play), "Imperil not my Heartland, my lord" or "I must confess that when he smiles, my Heartland stands interested."



Man, that gives references to the "cities of the Heartlands" an entirely different meaning!

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Posted - 08 Aug 2012 :  03:02:43  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Certainly. Right off the top of my head, I can give you one: the polite-in-all-company euphemism for the female genitalia: "the Heartland."
What... no "down south" euphenisms ever come into play in the Realms?

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Originally posted by Markustay

So, in other words, if you like a Pathfinder god, then use it. FR is known for its vast plethora of Interlopers.
Alternatively, you could simply play a Golarion deity as an aspect of another Realms deity -- or vice versa.

The Realms has also certainly seen it's share of one deity taking on the aspect of other for whatever reason.

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The Hooded One
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Hi again, all.
Sage, in response to this: "What... no "down south" euphemisms ever come into play in the Realms?"

I must reply: There IS a poem by the Waterdhavian courtesan "Kitten" which contains these lines:

"Betimes I've sung praises of the southerly-roving tongue
Loudly, lord, to say nothing of lewdly
But having oft in love been deep-stung
I choose now my tonguelashers more shrewdly

(Yes, Ed writes poems and lyrics of the Realms all the time. And sings them, if you catch him in the mood.)
[[And yes, that WAS a straight line, folks. We're here all tenday, try the roast beast . . .]]
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I don't think visiting Waterdeep will ever again be the same for my group. [Any chance you could tell me where this poem might often be recited in the City of Splendors?]

My thanks, Lady Hooded One.

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quote:
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I don't think visiting Waterdeep will ever again be the same for my group. [Any chance you could tell me where this poem might often be recited in the City of Splendors?]


Wherever Kitten is.

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quote:
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"Betimes I've sung praises of the southerly-roving tongue
Loudly, lord, to say nothing of lewdly
But having oft in love been deep-stung
I choose now my tonguelashers more shrewdly
Would that I had read this before game tonight, I'd have used it for sure on my two male players! The Heartland reference too.

Ah well, I can always try to have their characters seduced next week. Thank you THO for sharing.

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

I don't think visiting Waterdeep will ever again be the same for my group. [Any chance you could tell me where this poem might often be recited in the City of Splendors?]


Wherever Kitten is.

I'd expect only the Lady Hooded One knows...

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Has Ed ever regretted selling his creation?
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The Hooded One
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Hi again, all.
Well, Sage, if the time is the 1350s to 1370s, the place in Waterdeep you'll most often hear that ditty (and many other verses, most of them similarly bawdy) is a womens' (well, females, because "shes" of the elves, half-elves, halflings, dwarves, gnomes, and some other races are among the regular patrons) dining and drinking club known as THE LACE HARP, which meets in rentable upper rooms in Castle Ward, on the third floor of Hammarak's Fine Laces And Adornments, a shop that sells, alters, and adorns fine feminine garments. It's the third building west of Tchozal's Race, on the south side of Calamastyr Lane. Yes, Kitten is a member.

Ed tells me:
The Lace Harp becomes a crossdressing club dominated by prissy noble and wannabe-noble men by the late 1370s, and although Kitten's poem is still heard uttered there occasionally, it is heard more often in the 1380s and 1390s at The Blue Baldric, a nightclub that doubles as a cosmetics and "pampering" (offering scented baths with wine served to those being bathed, more than anything else) shop by day. The Baldric is the middle building of south front Bazaar Street, in the block bounded by Bazaar Street, The Street of the Sword, Lamp Street, and Warriors' Way, in Castle Ward.


So there you have it!
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The Hooded One
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Hello again all!
This just in!

Ed's good friend and cohort in literary machinations Gabrielle Harbowy, whom Ed calls "a superb editor whom sf powerhouse pubishers should really pay more attention to," is featuring three contributors to WHEN THE VILLAIN COMES HOME (yes, it's out, and contains stories by quite a few names who should be familiar to scribes here, and more names you should get familiar with!) on her blog.
To whit, Gregory Wilson (one of the nicest men I've ever "met" from being in a panel audience), Ed, and Gabrielle herself.
Check it out at:
http://www.gabrielle-edits.com/2012/08/09/meet-villains-3

If you like to read good stories, you really should get WHEN THE HERO COMES HOME and WHEN THE VILLAIN COMES HOME. Two anthologies full of stories that are all "good" or better, sometimes MUCH better. I keep my HERO by the bedside, and re-read favorites quite often.
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quote:
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(snip) womens' (well, females, because "shes" of the elves, half-elves, halflings, dwarves, gnomes, and some other races are among the regular patrons)(snip)


This brings to mind a question... For humans, the different genders have a variety of names other than just male or female. Lad, lass, girl, boy, man, maiden, woman, etc... And some of these vary by age, as well -- a boy grows into a man, a crone was once a maiden but is now an old woman, etc. What about some of the other dominant races of the Realms? Do elves, dwarves, gnomes, halflings, orcs, or dragons have their own different words for genders and gender/age combinations? And what about generic, age-related terms, like elderly, teenager, near-dead (my dad's joking term for elderly folks), child, etc?

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My thanks, as always Lady Hooded One.
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

... the place in Waterdeep you'll most often hear that ditty (and many other verses, most of them similarly bawdy) ...
While I don't expect that either you or Ed could reproduce these verses here for my sake, I am curious about any sample titles of similar dittys that Ed could perhaps provide for me?
quote:
... The Lace Harp becomes a crossdressing club dominated by prissy noble and wannabe-noble men by the late 1370s ...
Interesting. Just how well established are these crossdressing clubs in other Realms locales? Say, Suzail, or Ordulin, for example?

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Why Sage, you seem to have quite a bit of interest in that topic.

And this from a guy who dressed as Frankenfurter to go to the the Eigth street Playhouse (the birthplace of Rocky Horror) every saturday night for the midnight show.

And yes, lingerie does make you feel sexy.

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Funny. Ed's DMing often makes me shiver. With antici . . . . . pation.

How 'bout that?
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

Why Sage, you seem to have quite a bit of interest in that topic.
Hehe.

Actually, this whole side-discussion about Kitten's bardic exploits in Waterdeep have suggested to me some rather intriguing twists in a portion of the campaign I'm planning for next month. The crossdressing establishment is just the kind of unexpected twist I'd like to throw at my players.
quote:
And yes, lingerie does make you feel sexy.

I can admit to having some similarly inclined knowledge about this kind of experience.

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And yes, lingerie does make you feel sexy.



I recently provided much amusement to my wife and a female friend, by discussing lingerie. I was speaking on how I can't really identify some lingerie (I've no idea what the difference between a negligee and a teddy is, for example, I just know I like all those little lacy things), and how I tend to think of lingerie as gift wrap. They were nearly in tears from my discussion of the topic.

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Yesterday, while searching for something completely unrelated (damn you, internet!) I happen to get 'stuck' on the Tropes site. As I am sure many of you know, that site is trap - I probably wasted a good four hours reading through stuff. Entertaining, yes... but I had more important things I needed to get done.

ANYHOW... I happen upon the Pathfinder portion of the site (extremely enlightening - I know so little about that setting), and under the "Everyone is Bi" category I noted that all PF/Golarion iconics are considered Bi, unless otherwise noted. I was in awe of the progressive thinking.

This relates to the current topic here (men dressing/acting like women), and I 'know' (as in, 'not in person' but 'heard it through the grapevine') that Ed's games were much more 'adult' then what we see presented in the published Realms (I also just finished book 2 of Fire & Ice which also has a very 'no-holds-barred' approach to fantasy). So here is my question, to both THO and Ed - do you sometimes wish you had the more liberal ability to show the 'grittier' side of the Realms, like in those two settings I just mentioned? Both TSR and Hasbro did/do a lot of hand-tying in this regard, and I was wondering just how many stories Ed (and other authors) would love to tell, but can't?

In other words, are so many folks folks getting the wrong impression of the Realms simply because they aren't seeing the whole picture?

(and yes, I realize this question comes at a very bad time, and mentioning another company was probably bad form right now, but I am SO intrigued by the Realms that 'could be', if given half a chance).

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