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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 20 Jul 2012 :  17:42:49  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Markustay, I can think of two things off the top of my head (from Ed's unpublished Realmslore), that halflings and gnomes regarded as delicacies: "thalimvur," which is maggots fried in maple syrup or maple sap . . . and "bhaerulb," which is mealworms-and-onions (or, in a pinch, mealworms-and-leeks) curry.
Yum!
love,
THO
P.S. And of course, hobgoblins and "royal" orcs loved such things as halfling brains stewed in the skulls of their owners, and the like. A Calishite delicacy: vipers' tongues (I can imagine you'd need to gather a LOT of snakes to yield proper portions for most diners...)
"Different than the PCs" eating habits is one way Ed often underscores "you're not in Kansas anymore" for players new to "acting roleplaying."

Edited by - The Hooded One on 20 Jul 2012 17:47:24
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Markustay
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Posted - 20 Jul 2012 :  20:05:21  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
In my humanoid town, the Inn served 'Elf Fingers'. Narrow (pork) sausages brined for several days (to the point of going rancid) in 'sweetwater' (usually mead, salt, and a chopped onion). When prepared properly, the cook would place almond slices for the fingernails.

My players were not amused.

Thanks for that awesome response, THO.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 20 Jul 2012 20:28:28
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Blueblade
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Posted - 21 Jul 2012 :  03:46:55  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
I didn't notice any mention of it here at the Keep, so...
A day or two back, Wizards put Ed's 2011 Spin A Yarn story, "Jantharl's Surprising Journey," up on their website. Free 8 MB PDF download, not behind the paywall. As long and sprawling as every one of these has to be to incorporate everything suggested by the audience, but great fun nonetheless. Thumbs up, and thanks, Ed!
BB

here's the link:
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/Article.aspx?x=dnd/drfic/20120719

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Cassie5squared
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Posted - 21 Jul 2012 :  15:03:52  Show Profile Send Cassie5squared a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

In my humanoid town, the Inn served 'Elf Fingers'. Narrow (pork) sausages brined for several days (to the point of going rancid) in 'sweetwater' (usually mead, salt, and a chopped onion). When prepared properly, the cook would place almond slices for the fingernails.

My players were not amused.

Thanks for that awesome response, THO.



Eeeew. I'm glad I've already had lunch.

Though now we're on foody topics, I'm sort of curious; are there any previously little-mentioned regional or local specialities/delicacies around Waterdeep? I've set a nice little tavern/inn up there for my friends and me to use in our games, and while I've got a decent menu I'd be interested to know what could be added to it, and for what prices.

Also, is it reasonable to have raw fish (the way elves seem to like it) available in a Waterdhavian tavern that falls into the region of "decent and good quality, but not high-end"? This place is my pride and joy (or one of them ) and I want to improve it if I can.

(Also also, anything The Sage can provide re: music, as I saw a few pages back, would be awesome. I love the Realmsian songs I've found so far.)

"Why do any of us get up in the morning? Why, for the joy and fun the day might bring us, if we're awake to see it! Up, then, and find ye fun!" - Elminster of Shadowdale

"And from the flames
As chance would have it
The Soulforged will come into light~" - Blind Guardian, "The Soulforged"
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 21 Jul 2012 :  17:53:44  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Cassie, your timing is superb! Ed was at work on something not too far afield from the subject of your queries, and happily consented to whip up some swift answers:

Waterdeep is a cosmopolitan crossroads, with quite a few wealthy inhabitants, so almost every practical and good-tasting culinary dish or knack or new wrinkle tends to get adopted by someone, and persist somewhere in the city.
Local delicacies tend to have either largely died out over the years as the city has grown and stocks have been depleted (e.g. eel pie, gull pie, and the just-as-revolting-as-it-sounds fish sausage) or to be tavern and lower-class daily staples enjoyed by many, but celebrated by few.
These latter include:
• “melverfew,” a dish of diced eels, fleshy dark mushrooms, flounder, and harbor catish, simmered in oxen-and-onion gravy until everything is soft. All bones are then strained out, and stale bread is shredded and then stirred in, with a handful of grapes or gooseberries (or in winter, or whenever no grapes can be had) raisins added and cooked soft. Typically this is very cheap: 1 cp for a large bowl, sometimes 1 cp for a bowl AND a mug of small beer.
• Whelks in butter (the yellow-brown-shelled edible marine snails still plentiful along the shore of the Sea of Swords from about Port Llast down to Baldur’s Gate; these are unshelled by shattering their shells with a wooden peg or maul, dropping them in water (the shell fragments rise or float, and can be skimmed off, then steamed or boiled in water or old soap leavings, then drained and served in a dish with melted butter and a garnish of fresh parsley and/or chives). This is a dish children can prepare, and tends to go for 1 to 3 cp a platter, depending on the size of the platter and the hauteur of the establishment.
• Tharval-and-dleem (tharval are hand-length or smaller, silver, smelt-like fish much used for bait, or mashed into a paste and eaten on toast as many enjoy real-world sardines or kippers, their bones being so small and soft that they can readily be chewed and eaten without discomfort; dleem is a olive-green, stringy seaweed that grows in starfish-shaped clumps, partly clinging to rocks and partly “adrift” in the passing water; if dleem is boiled long and hard, it looses its tough, chewy consistency AND takes on the flavor of whatever it was boiled with, and so is used to bulk up many soups, stews, and other dishes; if mated with mashed tharval, the result has an incredibly rich, “full” taste and texture, so diners feel even ravenous hunger has been thoroughly sated). This is low-end to shopkeeper-class fare, and a daily staple at 3 cp a dish. Garnished with a few oysters and redubbed “Harbor Favor” or “Harbor Fancy,” it goes for 1 sp in middling to higher end establishments, for a generous dish plus handrolls of bread and usually a wedge of sharp cheese to provide a contrasting taste.
• Sarrulk Stag (Imbram Sarrulk was a glutton of astonishing obesity who died of a surfeit of boar, suffering a fatal rupture after singlemouthedly devouring no less than five whole spit-roasted boar back in 1312 DR; he is credited with devising this recipe, which took High Forest venison and divers rodents [city rats and mice], oxen, old mules, and whatever other handy cheap meat could be had, marinating them for two days and nights and then roasting them, all in the recipe’s long list of herbs and sauces, plus drippings and beer - - and somehow making it all taste like the venison; so only nobles and the very wealthy ever have actual stag in their Sarrulk Stag, but everyone can dine hearty . . . hopefully not quite as heart as Sarrulk did). The time needed for preparation and the popularity have always made this stew pricey, so a bowl, garnished with fresh greens, typically costs 2 sp in a cheap eatery, and climbs up to 8 sp in a haughty club (with most places charging 4 sp or so). Outside the city, cut these prices in half.

Yes, it’s reasonable to have raw fish (never served whole, but always filleted/deboned and washed in fresh water that’s been “minted” with a few sprigs of fresh mint) available in a decent, respectable “middling” tavern.
By the way, high-end Sword Coast elven fish fare would include:
• rare delicacies of the seadeeps (giant spearfish, rock reef crab) served raw (but of course “gleaned,” that is: just the flesh, washed in steaming-hot spring water) but with berry- and sherry- and zzar-based “laving sauces” (we might call them “dipping sauces”) on the side.
• Bluehulk (giant tuna) poached in blended wines
And lower-end but respectable Sword Coast elven fish fare would include:
• oysters steamed in beer but served in a cream sauce (dill, leek, chives, but not onions or garlic, because most elven palates find these two overpoweringly strong - - and in fact they are elven “wayfaring staples” for use with rancid/bad food in emergencies, to entirely cover the taste).
• Dlarkult, which is diced small shrimp and crab, simmered in a mixture of melted butter and a light white wine (almost like a real-world risotto)

Hope these tidbits of lore have been of help.
Ed


And there you have it. Largely mouth-watering Realsmlore from the Master.
Think I’ll go prepare something to eat now!
love,
THO
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Markustay
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Posted - 21 Jul 2012 :  18:13:38  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
Where I come from, that last one would be called 'scampi' style.

Great lore, except now I'm hungry.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone

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xaeyruudh
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Posted - 23 Jul 2012 :  02:16:00  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message
Wow. I second the hunger, but I'll definitely pass on the eel pie, gull pie, and fish sausage. The gleaned spearfish might actually tempt me to try raw fish.

Thank you, and thanks Cassie.
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Garen Thal
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Posted - 23 Jul 2012 :  14:46:26  Show Profile  Visit Garen Thal's Homepage Send Garen Thal a Private Message
I'm not Ed, but seeing as I created Ganrahast (well, as anything more than an assurance that Myrmeen was with child), I feel like I can comment on this one:
quote:
Originally posted by Naeryndam
A couple quick question about Ganrahast. I believe that all the "dahasts" are extremely long-lived descended from Baerable and Alea Dahast. Is this true?
The public story is that yes, this is true. The truth of the truth, well...
quote:
Also, is Ganrahast descended from Vangerdahast and Myrmeen Lahl and how old is he?
Yes, Ganrahast is Mreen and Vangey's son. He was born on the Winter solstice in the Year of Rogue Dragons (1373). He was premature, and born quite late in the year, but that's his birthday. As of 1479, he's 105 or 106, depending on when in the year you're playing, but he doesn't look a day over 60.

Okay, 65, maybe...
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althen artren
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Posted - 23 Jul 2012 :  15:36:27  Show Profile Send althen artren a Private Message
Hey Hoodie,

Can you give us any cool attractions or descriptions of non-labeled buildings
that are in Myth Drannor? I would like more MD please. Have you all been under
Myth Drannor?

Oh, and one for Ed. Is the Vault of Ages within 1 mile of the city proper, and if I bring up some elf clan names, would you be able to
give it the treatment as you did with past elf clans?

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Markustay
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Posted - 23 Jul 2012 :  18:19:24  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
Info from Volo's Guide to The North states that four Illithids slew Alahar khaumfros in Yartar...
quote:
However, he was recently revealed as the leader of the evil Kraken Society. Four illithids walked into the baron's stone hall, and calmly slaughtered Khaumfros for his treachery in Society monetary
dealings.
Obviously you meant "a leader", not 'the', but aside from that, I have a question:

Why were these illithids SO overt? Thats not like their race, and even less like the Kraken Society, that prides itself on secrecy. What gives? They basically gave away their whole operation in the area.

Another question (which actually has more to do with my current research, but far less 'provocative'): I just noted that 'Yartar' is similar to 'Yarlith' - a realm that existed just east of it. However, this town should have fallen out in the Mlembryn Lands (due north of Elember). It appears to me the town may have actually been the 'border' (if such a word has any meaning in The Realms) between the two, and may have even been the furthest NE outpost of Yarlith. Could this town have been founded (or taken over) by them when Yarlith fell?

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 23 Jul 2012 18:21:18
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 23 Jul 2012 :  19:34:19  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Heh. Markustay, re. this:"Info from Volo's Guide to The North states that four Illithids slew Alahar khaumfros in Yartar...
quote:
However, he was recently revealed as the leader of the evil Kraken Society. Four illithids walked into the baron's stone hall, and calmly slaughtered Khaumfros for his treachery in Society monetary dealings.

Obviously you meant "a leader", not 'the', but aside from that, I have a question:

Why were these illithids SO overt? Thats not like their race, and even less like the Kraken Society, that prides itself on secrecy. What gives? They basically gave away their whole operation in the area."

It does sound out-of-character, doesn't it? I thought so, too. We Knights poked around a bit, and came to the conclusion that Khaumfros was framed. As in, those four illithids wanted to very publicly kill him, and did so, and blamed it on the Kraken Society (AND announced that Khaumfros was "the" leader of the society, so that's what the gullible Volo duly reported).
As this is a loose end we Knights haven't finished with (one of many), Ed tells me he won't comment on this. Yet. It's up to us to learn more . . .
love,
THO
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Barastir
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Posted - 23 Jul 2012 :  22:44:27  Show Profile  Click to see Barastir's MSN Messenger address Send Barastir a Private Message
I always thought Volo meant Khaumfros was "the" LOCAL leader of the Kraken Society. Never thought that the mind flayers would want to show, intimidate or frame someone, although I recognized it was unusual for them to act so openly.

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fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."

The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph"
(by Ed Greenwood)

Edited by - Barastir on 23 Jul 2012 22:50:17
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Markustay
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Posted - 24 Jul 2012 :  01:05:13  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
Okay, thats kinda what I was thinking as well - it was a set-up (although I thought Harpers/others had poised as illithids to give him away, and he really was guilty of the crime).

Either way, I thought something smelled 'fishy' (no pun intended).

Nothing is ever what it seems in the Forgotten Realms.

Thank you for the quick response.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 24 Jul 2012 01:07:37
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George Krashos
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I could swear that Eric picked up this reference and did something with it in CoS: Waterdeep (3E). Maybe in the section on druuth and/or the Unseen ...

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Tormtar
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Just a couple of quick Dales questions for Mr Greenwood if I may? As War Chancellor Ilmeth of Battledale has no heirs or known descendants who would be among the favourites to take over lordship of the dale in the event of his death? Secondly, a character in my campaign plays a priest of Torm and he asked me if there were any shrines dedicated to his deity in the northern or western dales. I can of course make something up myself but I'd be interested to hear an 'official' answer so as to guide and inform!
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Blueblade
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Posted - 24 Jul 2012 :  16:16:46  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
There's definitely a shrine to Torm in Mistledale (shrine meaning an altar with a pavilion roof over it and traveling priests who take turns "staffing" it), because I sat in on a Milwaukee-era GenCon charity Realms adventure with Ed as DM, and the shrine was described and featured in the action.
Before its destruction, there was a temple or shrine of Torm (don't know which, but it was bigger than the one in Mistledale) in Tilverton, and I think there's one along the main road running from Sembia to Hillsfar, in Featherdale (don't quote me on that last one, but Ed can clarify).
As you can probably tell, I had a PC who worshipped Torm.
BB
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ericlboyd
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Posted - 24 Jul 2012 :  16:19:58  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

I could swear that Eric picked up this reference and did something with it in CoS: Waterdeep (3E). Maybe in the section on druuth and/or the Unseen ...

-- George Krashos




I thought it was in Cloak & Dagger, but I don't have that handy.

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Kajehase
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Will Ed be picking up the "illuminated" audiobook version of The Privilege of the Sword?

There is a rumour going around that I have found god. I think is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.
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Tormtar
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Posted - 25 Jul 2012 :  08:56:45  Show Profile  Visit Tormtar's Homepage Send Tormtar a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Blueblade

There's definitely a shrine to Torm in Mistledale (shrine meaning an altar with a pavilion roof over it and traveling priests who take turns "staffing" it), because I sat in on a Milwaukee-era GenCon charity Realms adventure with Ed as DM, and the shrine was described and featured in the action.
Before its destruction, there was a temple or shrine of Torm (don't know which, but it was bigger than the one in Mistledale) in Tilverton, and I think there's one along the main road running from Sembia to Hillsfar, in Featherdale (don't quote me on that last one, but Ed can clarify).
As you can probably tell, I had a PC who worshipped Torm.
BB



Thanks Blueblade, I knew of the one in Tilverton but not the others. The one in Mistledale is perfect as my group of PC's are about to enter the dale.
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Markustay
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Mistledale Abbey of the Sword info (and location).

You may also want to check out the Stumphill article and accompanying map in CK Compendium IX.

There is also an adventure in Dungeon #100. It also has a map, but lacks any sort of detail.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 25 Jul 2012 17:48:01
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Foxhelm
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Not sure if this has been answered or even partial answered...

But...

We have the Roll of Years which Oghma or Savras gave out. We have the Shar's Roll of Years, where the same years are given different names. Do all gods have their own 'secret' roll of years for their faith, likely more based on prophecies which have to deal with their own faith goals?

Like Tymora's years might have the Year of Great Triumph which foretells a victory of the Church over the Faith of Beshaba... only for Beshaba's roll of years to call it the Year of the Future Revenge or something.

Curious...

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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Hello THO and Ed!

A writing instructor of mine instructed us that, when we’re in the midst of writer’s block, to do something I’ve come to term “writing around the character.” That is, write about the mundane elements of a character that won’t go in the story until you find yourself getting back to writing the actual story.

A couple examples of this strategy that she gave include: writing about what’s under your character’s bed and describing what’s in his or her or its closet (if ‘it’ has one).

So I’m curious: what’s under Mirt’s bed? How about Alusair (as a child or teenager) or Awntrus “Black Glove” Malaver?

Also, do you experience writer’s block? I suppose deadlines for multiple projects might provoke a furious rush that does not permit slowdowns of any kind, but for those of us hoping to someday have at least one deadline to contend with any advice you can give would be appreciated.

Thank you both for your time and for sharing with us.

Look for me and my content at EN World (user name: sanishiver).
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Markustay
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If Ed lived in the marvel universe, and the In-Betweener tried to summon the antithesis of 'Writer's Block' (one of the evil cosmic forces), I think Ed Greenwood would BE it's opposite.

Question: (inspired by the one above) - do you (Ed) actually think about sutff like this - what sort of mundane things your characters might have, what their rooms look like (how tidy they are), what sort of foods they eat, etc? Does that help define the character? So many characters these days (in many genres) are so two-dimensional in this regard; they are all about some specific quality, or power, or ability, and not much else.

For instance, can vampires eat normal food? If they do, how do they eliminate waste - the normal way? Or do they just crap themselves like any normal corpse would?

Yes, these are the bizarre things I think about.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 25 Jul 2012 20:22:08
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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

If Ed lived in the marvel universe, and the In-Betweener tried to summon the antithesis of 'Writer's Block' (one of the evil cosmic forces), I think Ed Greenwood would BE it's opposite.

Question: (inspired by the one above) - do you (Ed) actually think about sutff like this - what sort of mundane things your characters might have, what their rooms look like (how tidy they are), what sort of foods they eat, etc? Does that help define the character? So many characters these days (in many genres) are so two-dimensional in this regard; they are all about some specific quality, or power, or ability, and not much else.

For instance, can vampires eat normal food? If they do, how do they eliminate waste - the normal way? Or do they just crap themselves like any normal corpse would?

Yes, these are the bizarre things I think about.



I think that Ed does think about these things; with the level of detail he puts into world-building, it'd be an odd oversight to not put the same level of detail into the personalities of the world.

As for your question about vampires, I'd say that vampires can eat and drink normally, but it's pointless for them -- they would gain no sustenance from doing so. The flip side of this is that a vampire also wouldn't get drunk or have to worry about poisons.

Most descriptions of vampires have them appearing to function just like they did when they were alive -- some fiction even extends that to the vampire's love lives. Since this would help them blend in with the living, and it is well-established in vampire fiction, I'd have no problem with vampires eating, drinking, or even taking lovers (though they'd not be able to procreate thru non-vampiric means).

I do, however, draw the line at sparkling.

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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

If Ed lived in the marvel universe, and the In-Betweener tried to summon the antithesis of 'Writer's Block' (one of the evil cosmic forces), I think Ed Greenwood would BE it's opposite.
If we go by the early Silver Surfer comics of the late-80's, then the In-Betweener's anti-thesis is Galactus.

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