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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 03 Jul 2012 :  18:35:01  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
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quote:
Originally posted by crazedventurers

And are pears known as something else in the Realms?




Halfling-bait, according to knowledgeable sources of orcish ancestry.





And the orcish word for halfling is or'dehrv.

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Markustay
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Posted - 03 Jul 2012 :  22:01:09  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
Shush you two...

THO is talking about how Ed appreciates a really great pear...

Pleeeeeease... continue.

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Therise
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

Shush you two...

THO is talking about how Ed appreciates a really great pear...

Pleeeeeease... continue.


A pair of what?


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sfdragon
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quote:
Originally posted by Therise

quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

Shush you two...

THO is talking about how Ed appreciates a really great pear...

Pleeeeeease... continue.


A pair of what?





By Eilistraee's always nonpresent ad non existant knickers, somebody had to go there....

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Ed, if you have anything you can remember about the Sembian family Orangyl,
I would be happy to receive it.
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 04 Jul 2012 :  01:38:54  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Oh, yes, Markustay, I quite forgot to mention Ed's love of dim sum and of cooked shrimp, eaten unadorned as well as with "shrimp cocktail sauce." Not to mention his infamous artery-hardening chip dip, which Brian Cortijo (and Jeff Thetford?) famously made up at their surprise 50th birthday party for Ed, a few GenCons back...
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P.S. Therise, thank you. Saved me making the inevitable comment. Let me elucidate some day about cinammon nipples. . . but not this day.

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Milady, you're making my rather hungry. In more ways than just the one.

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Therise
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quote:
P.S. Therise, thank you. Saved me making the inevitable comment. Let me elucidate some day about cinammon nipples. . . but not this day.


Ooh, I bet those are fun! I'll trade you my recipe for nipples of Venus Sune!


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Markustay
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I ask a perfectly innocent question, and it turns tawdry.

I do so love these forums.


My mom's diabetic, but she's the type that completely ignores doctor's orders. Glad to know Ed's smarter then that. I'm a donut man myself - I wish I could stick with healthy snacks, but I lack the willpower (I failed my save?)

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Mark - they have a feat for that.

And today's information request ... I think I might have come at this from a different direction before, but would Ed be willing to comment on the significant "elemental" abundance in Thar?
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Therise
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Posted - 05 Jul 2012 :  18:10:42  Show Profile Send Therise a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

I ask a perfectly innocent question, and it turns tawdry.


I dunno what'chu talkin' bout, Willis.

Nipples of Venus Sune are candies. Just like Golden Nipples and Buttery Nipples are alcoholic beverages.






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Markustay
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Posted - 05 Jul 2012 :  19:27:45  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
Well, I've (reluctantly) done a lot of plumbing in my day, so I'm familiar with pipe nipples.

For some reason, I think Elmnisnter would be familiar with those as well.. he probably has a different definition of them, though.

Maybe its a contingency.

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 05 Jul 2012 :  19:55:24  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
And for about 30 years Ed worked for "Nipple" (that is, NYPL, or North York Public Library). A library system that can and has been called many things, but seldom "tawdry."
However, back to the Realms . . .
Wooly, Asper's Lordship WAS a brief one. She was made a Lord in place of someone ailing, to try to track down a traitor within the ranks of the Lords (this was a storyline/subplot in Ed's home Realms campaign that almost made it into printed Realmslore early on, that we called, "Who Is Killing the Lords of Waterdeep?" vice "Who Is Killing The Great Chefs of Europe?"), and managed to hunt down and kill the guilty lord, but in so doing grew to loathe many of the sitting Lords [who in turn loathed her], and she decided to remain a Lord so as to have the powers and privileges and be able to step in and deal with future traitors and misbehaving Lords, but to stay quiet and low-profile. This suited the rest of the Lords just fine; aside from Mirt and his personal friends within the Lords, who remained Asper's friend, the rest of the Lords just ignored her. Some of them referred to her as "the Sword At Our Back" or "the Lurking Sword," so if you run across those phrases in Realmslore, that's who's meant.
Published rosters of the Lords are notoriously incomplete and inaccurate, so the lone mention means little. I know of three NPCs widely (and correctly) suspected around the city of being Lords, who have never been mentioned in published Realmslore as belonging to the Lords.
This is fine, BTW; it gives individual DMs more leeway in playing "who's a Lord/who's not" games in their own campaigns.
love,
THO
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 05 Jul 2012 :  20:03:33  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

And for about 30 years Ed worked for "Nipple" (that is, NYPL, or North York Public Library). A library system that can and has been called many things, but seldom "tawdry."
However, back to the Realms . . .
Wooly, Asper's Lordship WAS a brief one. She was made a Lord in place of someone ailing, to try to track down a traitor within the ranks of the Lords (this was a storyline/subplot in Ed's home Realms campaign that almost made it into printed Realmslore early on, that we called, "Who Is Killing the Lords of Waterdeep?" vice "Who Is Killing The Great Chefs of Europe?"), and managed to hunt down and kill the guilty lord, but in so doing grew to loathe many of the sitting Lords [who in turn loathed her], and she decided to remain a Lord so as to have the powers and privileges and be able to step in and deal with future traitors and misbehaving Lords, but to stay quiet and low-profile. This suited the rest of the Lords just fine; aside from Mirt and his personal friends within the Lords, who remained Asper's friend, the rest of the Lords just ignored her. Some of them referred to her as "the Sword At Our Back" or "the Lurking Sword," so if you run across those phrases in Realmslore, that's who's meant.
Published rosters of the Lords are notoriously incomplete and inaccurate, so the lone mention means little. I know of three NPCs widely (and correctly) suspected around the city of being Lords, who have never been mentioned in published Realmslore as belonging to the Lords.
This is fine, BTW; it gives individual DMs more leeway in playing "who's a Lord/who's not" games in their own campaigns.
love,
THO



Oooh, can you say anything about those NPCs?

Also, can you say how long Asper was a Lord, and when or how she left the Lordship?

Additionally... Have any seated Lords permanently disappeared? As in, one day Lord #3 is doing his business like normal, and after that the Lord (and his Lordly goodies) are never seen again? What do the remaining Lords do in that scenario?

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

She was made a Lord in place of someone ailing, to try to track down a traitor within the ranks of the Lords (this was a storyline/subplot in Ed's home Realms campaign that almost made it into printed Realmslore early on, that we called, "Who Is Killing the Lords of Waterdeep?" vice "Who Is Killing The Great Chefs of Europe?"), and managed to hunt down and kill the guilty lord ...
My lady, could we possibly hear a little more about this snippet -- such as the identities of both the ailing Lord and the traitor?

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Markustay
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A snippet of that DID make it into Realmsore - I recall it. It was probably one of the many memories/flashbacks in Elminster in Hell.

I believe when he was finally caught, they decided to make him a Harper (much to the Paladinson's chagrin). Its been awhile since I read that one, and it was just a paragraph or two, so I might be off on the details.

EDIT: IN FACT, I remember thinking to myself, "and so it begins". (thinking this was the first solid decision Khelben makes that leads to the formation of the Moonstars). He had gone a bit beyond 'morally ambiguous'; a "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" philosophy (and at that moment, he puts himself above the laws of Waterdeep by protecting a murderer).

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 06 Jul 2012 :  16:44:28  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello again, all.
Well spotted, Markustay; I'd forgotten about that flashback.
We'll see what Ed's willing or able to reveal, Wooly and Sage.
In the meantime, Ed makes partial answer to Eldacar, re. this: "Second, has there ever been the sort of phenomenon that rock'n'roll music has had here? You know - vast stadiums, rock stars, millions of cheering fans, that sort of thing. I would imagine that without radio and easy communication (and so on), things would be limited to word of mouth (unless a wizard was a fan, I suppose ) and the fame would either spread very slowly or remain localised to specific areas."
Ed replies:

Music is either made personally (family gatherings, individuals in pray or "making offering" to the gods, sometimes in the presence of clergy, at altars) or publicly. The latter tends to daily be temple music, or tavern songs (late in the evening and led by tavern staff or local good musicians/storytellers or traveling minstrels or bards [the former paid with room, board, and perhaps a coin or two, and the latter paid more properly]), and musicians hired by the wealthy to play in their homes, often as entertainment at dinners for select guests, or as entertainment at larger revels. Rulers and the richest nobles may have "staff" musicians (court musicians), who provide suitable music for all occasions.
The more "special" occasions for musicmaking are: busking at weekly market-moots, and playing at weddings, festivals and other special occasions (coronations, etc. - - not just the formal ceremonies themselves, but before and after, to all the gathered pilgrims or citizens or sightseers).
The closest thing to our real-world rock concerts are "masques" put on by wealthy patrons (usually nobles or rulers or big city guilds) as entertainments: after nightfall, a short musical play is performed on a lighted stage, utilizing "echoing" or "answering" musicians on nearby hilltops or battlements, who blow warhorns or play music or even launch mounted gallops down at the stage, to help tell a story (usually of past, locally relevant martial heroics). These are rare but mythologized (talked about, until their reputation grows) out of love and awe. Even rarer are masques done mainly by magic (illusion spells) to provide flying dragons and other monsters for stories.
Hope this is of help.

So saith Ed. Who briefly played (bad) bass guitar in his youth . . .
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THO
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Originally posted by The Hooded One

Even rarer are masques done mainly by magic (illusion spells) to provide flying dragons and other monsters for stories.
Hope this is of help.
Aye it is, even though I’m not the one that did the asking! This description of spell-led masques and hired cavalry chargers seems perfect for mixing in unknowing player characters who seek to slay the not-really-there-dragon, but end up ruining the show and instantly making enemies or, if the players are fast enough to realize their mistake, an even better show if they can manage to ad-lib their way out of the interruption.

Great stuff. Thank you!

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 06 Jul 2012 :  16:59:09  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
And hello again. I thought I'd have a go at the first question in that same post of Eldacar's: "Has Faerun ever had a "genre" of music that would approximate our rock? If so, how close would it be to our music of that variant, and does Ed have any particular favourites that would serve as examples of the sort of music you might hear?"

I know Ed has provided examples in past years of this thread of rock-like music of the Realms (and Faerūnian music that approximates other real-world musical genres, too) and I'll just echo something Ed has said:

If rock music is essentially defined as having a driving beat, most music of the Realms dominated by a beat is marching or rowing or work music, so its beats are regular and almost never syncopated (though it may have syncopated single-voice sung harmonies or descants that work "against" the beat).

Exceptions are dance music and some temple music, and I know one of Ed's favourite examples of the former is Terry Tucker's "Overture To The Sun" from the soundtrack of the Kubrick movie A CLOCKWORK ORANGE.
Among common folk, the two dominant forms of daily music are (by far) the ballad and the short, wordless instrumental motif or refrain (something that can be sung recognizably enough by an untrained voice to convey meaning; a recent example of this would be the intro music for A GAME OF THRONES). Clergy of all faiths use motifs as signals in ceremonies and as warnings/admonitions to transgressors (literally "singing a warning note").
Ballads are of course dominated by the voice of the singer; imagine Stan Rogers and Maddy Prior separately performing the same song; even if they use the same metre, words, and pronunciation, the end "sound" will almost certainly be in different octaves, and will with absolute certainty sound much different. So, too, Sting and say, Polly Scattergood.
I hope this is of some help.
Music, as I know Sage will agree, is a vast topic that we've only just scratched the surface of, in the Realms, though Ed has written quite a few ballads over the years. A few made it into Volo's Guides or were performed at early GenCons.
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George Krashos
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

A snippet of that DID make it into Realmsore - I recall it. It was probably one of the many memories/flashbacks in Elminster in Hell.

I believe when he was finally caught, they decided to make him a Harper (much to the Paladinson's chagrin). Its been awhile since I read that one, and it was just a paragraph or two, so I might be off on the details.

EDIT: IN FACT, I remember thinking to myself, "and so it begins". (thinking this was the first solid decision Khelben makes that leads to the formation of the Moonstars). He had gone a bit beyond 'morally ambiguous'; a "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" philosophy (and at that moment, he puts himself above the laws of Waterdeep by protecting a murderer).



I managed to squeeze in a reference to this in GHotR for 1355 DR (p.140). And it wasn't Khelben who saved him, but Storm.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Even rarer are masques done mainly by magic (illusion spells) to provide flying dragons and other monsters for stories.
Hope this is of help.
Oooo! Any chance Ed's included an example of one of these rarer masques in his home campaigns, Lady? I'd love to hear more about what he can share for these performances...

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Originally posted by The Hooded One

Music, as I know Sage will agree, is a vast topic that we've only just scratched the surface of, in the Realms ...
Indeed. I've spent the last ten years compiling all of what has been published -- both officially and through perusing online exchanges with official Lorelords, like Ed and a few others -- about Realms music. It has become my one all-consuming Realms-task. And even that decade's worth of listings and references reads, still, as only an introduction to a much deeper and more diverse point of Realmslore subject-matter.

We all have our areas of the Realmslore we like to focus on, and it seems that Realms music has been the one passion I've come to love most truly about this wonderful world of Ed's original imaginings.

Hehe.

...

I still dream of one day composing the ultimate Volo's Guide to Realms' Music. With Ed's blessing, of course...

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Originally posted by The Sage

I still dream of one day composing the ultimate Volo's Guide to Realms' Music. With Ed's blessing, of course...



I'd like to see this book on my shelf. Seems to me that any decent DM --presented with the opportunity to add ambiance to the session and depth to the experience for everyone in the room, and to do so inexpensively-- would pounce on it. It would also be even more useful to DMs exploring other campaign worlds than other Realms books are.
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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Even rarer are masques done mainly by magic (illusion spells) to provide flying dragons and other monsters for stories.
Hope this is of help.
Oooo! Any chance Ed's included an example of one of these rarer masques in his home campaigns, Lady? I'd love to hear more about what he can share for these performances...
This, plus if you (THO) could perhaps remind Ed every other day that this subject would make a great Eye on the Realms article?

@George: Thanks for the note about the GHotR entry for Amril Zoar. I've been thinking about that story and how it really made Storm's character come into focus for me. That was a good read.

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Hi Ed and THO,

I been reading through the old 2E Arcane Age Fall of Myth Drannor supplement and it mentions Sulla's Glade where over 200 satyr's died. Well, this got me thinking, but what kind of homes do Satyr's make? Do they form villages or little towns in the woods of Cormanthor? Thank you. :)
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