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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 10 Jun 2012 :  05:41:17  Show Profile  Visit Dalor Darden's Homepage Send Dalor Darden a Private Message
Dear Ed/THO,

What influences has Manshoon, in the past (prior to even 2e AD&D) had over the Cult of the Dragon? I'm always interested in the fella, and after re-reading his entry on page 25 of the DMs book in the OGB, it said that his rise to power had to do, in part, with his manipulations of the Cult...can you elaborate?

The particular text was:
quote:

Manshoon's own alliances with Dark Nagas, and his manipulations of the Cult of the Dragon, increased his influence and bought him the time necessary to build his personal mastery of the magical arts without allowing stronger rivals to assume control of the city until he was ready to take it.



Also, in another scroll, we were talking about Manshoon's Stasis Clone spell. It is a 9th level spell...how did Manshoon manage to pull it off at only 16th level?

Thanks ever so much!

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crazedventurers
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Posted - 10 Jun 2012 :  10:47:23  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dalor Darden

Dear Ed/THO,

What influences has Manshoon, in the past (prior to even 2e AD&D) had over the Cult of the Dragon?

Also, in another scroll, we were talking about Manshoon's Stasis Clone spell. It is a 9th level spell...how did Manshoon manage to pull it off at only 16th level?


To fix Manshoon's Level re stasis clone:

There was a nifty little table in the OGBS regarding NPC's, you rolled on it and it changed their level based on what your PC's assumed was correct in other words what they heard 'out of the mouth of bards'.

NPC Level Modification Table:
Die Roll Modification
01-10 Rumors overstate the importance
of the individual; is actually one level less than listed.
11-60 Stories are correct; individual is of listed level.
61-80 Stories are slightly dated; individual is of one level higher than listed.
81-95 Stories are badly dated; individual is of two levels higher than listed.
96-00 Stories are just outright wrong; individual is of 1-4 levels higher than listed.


Now the Cult question is a great one and would love to hear more.

I have one of the survivors of the Clones wars running the Cult. Sarukull LE H-elf Male Wiz 20(or so), he is a major protagonist in the ongoing campaign at the minute so if I get a chance I'll post him up.

Cheers

Damian
ps remember that the Manshoon we know about on Faerun is not actually the real one. He is hidden in his extra dimensional hidey hole, just watching all the fun. So he may have created a 16th level version of himself just because he could.

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 10 Jun 2012 :  14:30:47  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by crazedventurers

ps remember that the Manshoon we know about on Faerun is not actually the real one. He is hidden in his extra dimensional hidey hole, just watching all the fun. So he may have created a 16th level version of himself just because he could.



I personally think that rather than deliberately creating a weaker version, the 16th-level Manshoon was created by an earlier version of the stasis clone spell, and this earlier version is what resulted in a Manshoon of lesser power.

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Therise
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Posted - 10 Jun 2012 :  15:08:36  Show Profile Send Therise a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dalor Darden
Also, in another scroll, we were talking about Manshoon's Stasis Clone spell. It is a 9th level spell...how did Manshoon manage to pull it off at only 16th level?


For this one, couldn't it have been a typo? Instead of 18, it says 16? Typos have been known to sneak through on even the wiliest of editors.


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I'm inclined to agree with the "earlier version stasis clone spell" theory.

Mostly, because it's inline with what the Lady Hooded One has said before about Ed's detailing of Manshoon's specialised stasis clone spell, and the way in which the clones are "updated":-
quote:
With respect, folks, some of the discussion here is founded on incomplete understandings. The lower levels of various Manshoon clones aren't "mistakes." Manshoon's clones aren't created by the PHB clone spell, but rather by Manshoon's stasis clone spell (which has been detailed by Ed in 2nd Ed sources, and remember: FR lore isn't trumped by rules edition changes, so just because 3e and 3.5e have come along since then, it DOESN'T mean there isn't still a "stasis clone" spell used by Manshoon. Several scenes in Ed's novels detail the "awakening" of Manshoon's clones, which normally occurred only when the "previous" Manshoon died. The multiple clones, hidden all over the Realms (El has threatened Manshoon in published Realmslore that he knows where they all are), each have the levels, memories, etc. they had when created . . . so some of them are of FAR less power than 'more modern' Manshoons (so killing Manshoon DOES harm him). Manshoon adds new clones from time to time, but what happened with the Manshoon Wars was that all (or almost all) of the clones were awakened at once. Hence all the different levels, etc. To reiterate: there is no "transfer" of existing spells, memories, etc. to a newly awakened clone.
And yes, Manshoon IS the ultimate puppet master among non-liches and non-zulkirs, although there's something going on with Hesperdan that Ed hasn't revealed to us all, yet.
Not trying to rain on the parade here, just to correct things before too many assumptions in reasoning are made based on the wrong clone spell.
love,
THO

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Markustay
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What if one of the drawbacks of the spell is that it makes perfect copies of the original, but when a copy tries to make a copy of itself, its loses a level or two? Some sort of 'soul degradation', or what-not (like when we used to make copies of copied video-tapes - a little quality was lost each time).

That means most of the more powerful clones were made by the original, but the lesser-clones could have been made by his copies at a latter date. He might be down to these 'secondary' clones.

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TBeholder
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Posted - 11 Jun 2012 :  21:55:23  Show Profile Send TBeholder a Private Message
Well met.

I got a question about Avariel. How they were related to Aearee? Were they allied against dragons? Were they created (i.e. modified from usual elves) by the birdy Creator Race, or are its descendants?

Because in addition to "just how awesome would that be" this could explain a lot of odd details:
Avariel suffered great losses in "last stand" at Dracorage Mythal, but... why mostly them? They apparently weren't the single most numerous subrace already; the mythal itself is on the ground - air support is necessary, but dragons would need to get close and low. But if Avariel were allied with Aearee back when the dragons conquered the skies of Toril, all pieces suddenly fall into places: they would have both greatest interest (already had to hide from dragons) and ability (kept the old dragonslayer training running).
Also, if the dragons located that mythal, came in force to break it and... saw elite troops from the old war waiting for them? This would be... demoralizing.
After this battle, if there were surviving dragons, the first and by far most important detail to pass would be its location. But if not, why did dragons pick on Avariel more than others ever after?
Also, where that double culture feature comes from?..
...sorry for a long "mad visionary" rant.
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And considering the history of probability theory in our world, I'm guessing there's a Tymoran or two with at least a basic grasp of it.
And/or Wild Mages, if we'll go with less loonie original version (AD&D2 Tome of Magic).
Algebra probably exists only as much as wizards imported from Zakhara, though.

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 12 Jun 2012 :  00:01:26  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all. Ed has fallen silent this past weekend because he had three "rush creative jobs" hit at once, AND had family visiting. However, on my own I discovered a tiny bit more for Jeremy Grenemyer, regarding senior Highknights: in addition to the two I already mentioned, there were at least two more "top level veterans." One was code-named "Blackblade" and was an accomplished killer for the Crown, and the other was a high-ranking noble secretly working for the Crown.
More when I can worm more out of Ed.
love to all,
THO
P.S. I'm awaiting Ed answers to the recent raft of very good questions from scribes as impatiently as the rest of you. I'll be persuasive when I get through to Ed, I promise. He's just pounding away at the old keyboard right now, trying to get things done at both full quality and full speed...

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Sightless
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all. Ed has fallen silent this past weekend because he had three "rush creative jobs" hit at once, AND had family visiting. However, on my own I discovered a tiny bit more for Jeremy Grenemyer, regarding senior Highknights: in addition to the two I already mentioned, there were at least two more "top level veterans." One was code-named "Blackblade" and was an accomplished killer for the Crown, and the other was a high-ranking noble secretly working for the Crown.
More when I can worm more out of Ed.
love to all,
THO
P.S. I'm awaiting Ed answers to the recent raft of very good questions from scribes as impatiently as the rest of you. I'll be persuasive when I get through to Ed, I promise. He's just pounding away at the old keyboard right now, trying to get things done at both full quality and full speed...



Well, I can't speak for the others, and wouldn't if I could, but as far as I'm concerned, he can get to my question whenever he get's a chance. It's of low importance and all, and nothing to get excited over.

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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Thank you THO!

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crazedventurers
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Posted - 14 Jun 2012 :  00:09:44  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message
Hello All

I was browsing my copies of Polyhedron recently and the clack about Talagard's Turret (issue 77) piqued my interest.

Ed/THO do you have any more lore to share about the turret and whether an entrepreneurial type rebuilt it after it got destroyed by the eye tyrant?

Kind regards

Damian

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Fellfire
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I, for one, would love to hear more of this "Blackblade." Is such a character outside the chain of command and answer directly to the crown? Tell me more, I beg of you.

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Rhewtani
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At the risk of running into some of Baker's old NDA's, I want to ask about the Moonsea, circa 1350s.

1) Could you talk a little about House Nanther?

2) Why did the Zhentarrim attack Hulburg in 1347? I do not feel like a reasonable explanation has ever been given for that.

I, myself, used it as set up for manipulating a pool of radiance there, twisting it into the pool of darkness that existed in that series. It was the "prototype" for Marcus creating that whole plot for Bane.
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Markustay
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Ed, in Pages from the Mages, in the entry for The Glandar's Grimoire (pg.59), it states...
quote:
The Glandar was a mage-king of long ago, whose lands were somewhere near the Vilhon Reach. "The Glandar" is actually a title; his real name has been forgotten. <snip> His grimoire (so named because its first page bears only the inscription: The Grimoire Most Perilous of The Immortal Glandar, Lord of the Undying, Scepter of Glandara) was seized by his slayers, who battled each other for the spoils, wreaking much havoc in the fallen mage's realm of Glandara.


Where was Glandara? (and anything else about him you'd care to share)

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Eilserus
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Hi Ed and THO,
I was reading through the Neverwinter Campaign Guide and it had a section on Dire Corbies. They've always been portrayed as savages in the few novels I've seen them in. I've got this itch to create a bit more about these creatures...mostly after thinking about the movie The Dark Crystal and thinking it would be cool to see something like that in the Realms. But the question I had, are there any civilizations of Dire Corbies in the Realms aside from primitive tribes? Are there any lore snippets you can share about them?

One other quick question. There's a passage in RA Salvatore's novel Exile where Belwar asks Drizzt if the Dire Corbies are relatives of Drizzt as they looked like a cross between a dark elf and bird. Corbies are also listed in other sources as being flightless birds, but once possessed the ability. Were Dire Corbies created by dark elves being melded with Aarakocra long ago? I remember reading a short story, set prior to the Crown Wars where a wizard of great power named Ka'Narlist was known to alter and create new creatures. Could these have been his winged dark elven "nightflyers" he envisioned? And with the Descent of the Drow their flying slaves were brought into the Underdark and eventually lost their wings? Alot of speculation here, but wanted to see if you could shed any light on this.

Thank you. :)

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admcewen
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Hi Ed/Tho, greetings from the UK this is the first time I’ve posted on your thread and I hope you can help me with some lore regarding the Moon Elven house of Amarillis. Over our groups many forays into the Realms there has always been one of us whose character hailed from this house and we wish to learn more of them if possible. To start is the clan still around in the present realms and if so now Evermeet has gone to the feywild do they have a house located elsewhere on the mainland and being so mercurial are they still leaderless?
Another question is how would this clan react to half elves in the bloodline as one of us wishes to break with tradition slightly and play one hoping to bear the green dolphin, would the clan have no concerns in this matter being both moon elves and a rather chaotic clan or by being a noble house reject a half elf out of hand? These and any other titbits of lore regarding this chaotic but popular (at least to our group) red headed clan bearing the green dolphin would be most welcome. Thanks Ed.
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Barastir
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Posted - 15 Jun 2012 :  14:43:12  Show Profile  Click to see Barastir's MSN Messenger address Send Barastir a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Eilserus
(...)I remember reading a short story, set prior to the Crown Wars where a wizard of great power named Ka'Narlist was known to alter and create new creatures. Could these have been his winged dark elven "nightflyers" he envisioned? And with the Descent of the Drow their flying slaves were brought into the Underdark and eventually lost their wings? (...)

I'm not Ed, but I can help you about this. Ka'Narlist was the ruler of an ancient (pre-Sundering and pre-Crown Wars) dark elven city. He really dabbled in creation and alteration of creatures, and got curious when Sharlario Moonflower, who has come from Faerie to Toril in teh wave of Sun and Moon elf immigrants after the fall of Tintageer, mentioned about the existence of the avariel. The evil mage then wanted to capture the winged elves and create his own race of winged dark elves (he would call those winged dark elves "his nightflyers"). This story is in the novel Evermeet: Island of Elves, by Elaine Cunningham. However, it seems Ka'narlist never found the avariel, and so couldn't accomplish what he envisioned.

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Eilserus
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Yep, I have the novel too. So if he couldn't find the avariel, what if he used aAarakocra? That's what I'm curious about, is if there is a drow connection and they were created by dark elves. Pure speculation of course, as I'm piecing bits together from a couple different books. Be curious to know. :)

quote:
Originally posted by Barastir

quote:
Originally posted by Eilserus
(...)I remember reading a short story, set prior to the Crown Wars where a wizard of great power named Ka'Narlist was known to alter and create new creatures. Could these have been his winged dark elven "nightflyers" he envisioned? And with the Descent of the Drow their flying slaves were brought into the Underdark and eventually lost their wings? (...)

I'm not Ed, but I can help you about this. Ka'Narlist was the ruler of an ancient (pre-Sundering and pre-Crown Wars) dark elven city. He really dabbled in creation and alteration of creatures, and got curious when Sharlario Moonflower, who has come from Faerie to Toril in teh wave of Sun and Moon elf immigrants after the fall of Tintageer, mentioned about the existence of the avariel. The evil mage then wanted to capture the winged elves and create his own race of winged dark elves (he would call those winged dark elves "his nightflyers"). This story is in the novel Evermeet: Island of Elves, by Elaine Cunningham. However, it seems Ka'narlist never found the avariel, and so couldn't accomplish what he envisioned.

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Barastir
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quote:
Originally posted by Eilserus

Yep, I have the novel too. So if he couldn't find the avariel, what if he used Aarakocra? That's what I'm curious about, is if there is a drow connection and they were created by dark elves. Pure speculation of course, as I'm piecing bits together from a couple different books. Be curious to know. :)



That's something Ka'Narlist would probably do, although maybe it would be harder to make something more elven and less bird-like. Anyway, let's wait and see what Ed can tell us about this.

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quote:
Originally posted by Eilserus

Yep, I have the novel too. So if he couldn't find the avariel, what if he used aAarakocra? That's what I'm curious about, is if there is a drow connection and they were created by dark elves. Pure speculation of course, as I'm piecing bits together from a couple different books. Be curious to know. :)


Aaracokra have been around for longer than drow, I think.

Other than sahaugin (and that's not definite), the only races I know of that drow have created are those that are in some way kin to spiders.

Me, if I wanted to create flying drow, based on avariel, I'd cross drow with bats. But a flying drow would require a large wingspan, and the Underdark isn't the best place for that...

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Markustay
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Good to use in a "land under Shadow" scenario (you know - where some giant earthmote or city/whatever hovers in one spot, so that the ground beneath is in perpetual shadow). I remember some setting had a region like that, but I can't recall (it was a LONG time ago). I thought it was Elfquest, but I checked the maps and don't see it. The world I am thinking of had a huge ring (akin to Sigil) hovering in one spot, so that there was a ring of shadow always below it.

Anyhow, something like that could work. In fact, Aerodrow could even live on the underside of such a massive earthmote (far from Faerūn-proper... or maybe over the Shar somewhere...)

NEW QUESTION: I did a quick search and couldn't find any info on this - the Bridge that crosses the Immerflow right after the High Road and Immer Trail meet (next to the Hullack Forest) is called the Masoner's Bridge, correct? Is that a small islet I see beneath it? (this on the maps from the Cormyr supplement).

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Barastir
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
(...)
Aaracokra have been around for longer than drow, I think.
(...)
Me, if I wanted to create flying drow, based on avariel, I'd cross drow with bats. But a flying drow would require a large wingspan, and the Underdark isn't the best place for that...
(...)


Eilserus is not talking about drow creating the aarakocra, but of drow using aarakocra to create a flying drow race (maybe lost to history, maybe degenerated into Dire Corbies).
In Mrs. Cunningham's novel Ka'Narlist made lots of experiments mixing creatures, and wanted to use the original avariel as a model to make his dark elven "night flyers" (maybe because their body structure would be closer to dark elves, and so muscles and wings would be easier to insert). Back then, before the Crown Wars and the Sundering, they were still surface dwellers.

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fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."

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(by Ed Greenwood)

Edited by - Barastir on 15 Jun 2012 20:35:45
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TBeholder
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quote:
Originally posted by Barastir

quote:
Originally posted by Eilserus
(...)I remember reading a short story, set prior to the Crown Wars where a wizard of great power named Ka'Narlist was known to alter and create new creatures.
[..] This story is in the novel Evermeet: Island of Elves, by Elaine Cunningham.

Well... You know the drill, right?
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

Other than sahaugin (and that's not definite)
You're about the wemic's tale? It's an understatement... not only was it introduced as folklore in the first place, but looks suspiciously like Akhlaur's story mixed with at least two more. Ghaunadaur was a dead giveaway, methinks. So perhaps we shouldn't take this pin out of Sekolah's fin just yet.

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Eilserus

Yep, I have the novel too. So if he couldn't find the avariel, what if he used aAarakocra? That's what I'm curious about, is if there is a drow connection and they were created by dark elves. Pure speculation of course, as I'm piecing bits together from a couple different books. Be curious to know. :)


Aaracokra have been around for longer than drow, I think.

Other than sahaugin (and that's not definite), the only races I know of that drow have created are those that are in some way kin to spiders.

Me, if I wanted to create flying drow, based on avariel, I'd cross drow with bats. But a flying drow would require a large wingspan, and the Underdark isn't the best place for that...

Of course, the idea of having flying drow who can't use their wings to full advantage beneath the surface offers some new and intriguing alternatives for gameplay. Aside from that, though, I like the idea of crossing drow with bats to produce flying drow.

The other alternative for me, at least, would be to cross drow with cloakers. Maybe as a result of accidental fallout from a disrupted Conclave of Shadows, perhaps, which also sees unsuspecting drow intruders/slaves merging into the shadowstuff produced by the effect. When the cloakers disengage from the merger... their minds and bodies are soon discovered to have also been merged with that of the drow intruders.

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And as I foresee this side-topic taking on a significant life of it's own, I suggest the next scribe interested in tackling this subject, open a new scroll scroll on the General shelf.

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Posted - 16 Jun 2012 :  15:45:01  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
Considering the timeline, if Ka'narlist had been responsible, they would have been Dark (green) Elves. Since the Avariel were on Toril before the arrival of the Eladrin (Gold/Silver), then the Avariel must be a split-off from sylvan Elves, NOT Eladrin, which means why would there be any difference between flying dark elves and regular Avariel?

Only two things I can think of -

1) Most obvious - Ka'Narlist did not create them; they were fashioned post-descent.

2) They were still Ilythiiri Elves, and the curse affected them regardless (which sucks, but the Seldarine are all jerks anyway).

Also, if I were to create a bat-winged Drow, I wouldn't start with Araakokra. I'd be looking at the Demonfey - its more appropriate (Drow are known to crossbreed with demons). Gargoyle would be an interesting choice as well (or those FR dudes that look like gargoyles... what were they... Kir-Lanan?)

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Edited by - Markustay on 16 Jun 2012 15:45:38
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