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The Hooded One
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Posted - 28 May 2012 :  19:55:52  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Eldacar and Sage, it was the now-extinct Principality of Fairbanner, which occupied a tiny bite out of The Grand Duchy of Shantal (a strip roughly 2 miles long by half that wide, along the Duchy's eastern border [[north end]]). The cambion in question, who styled himself "High Lord" Baerm Lamordair (names we later learned he'd taken from wealthy Vilhon Reach merchants he'd murdered, to seize their wealth), was trying to make Fairbanner much larger at the time we tangled with him. He fled after we took down most of his band of misfits (human/monster crossbreeds who were mostly "shunned outlaws" and brigands) - - and Fairbanner collapsed with him.
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Jeremy Grenemyer
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A quick question for THO and Ed, regarding Bury Elminster Deep, page 297: what are whir-wings, exactly? Are they moths or some kind of small bird?

Just want to make sure I have it right before setting something down in the Glossary of Phrases, Sayings & Words of the Realms scroll on the Sages of Realmslore shelf.

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Posted - 29 May 2012 :  03:33:56  Show Profile  Visit Dalor Darden's Homepage Send Dalor Darden a Private Message
Ed, I'm working on placing the Five Shires that you wrote into the Forgotten Realms. I'm planning a 1e "Old Grey Box" + The Five Shires campaign; and I had a couple of questions:

By placing the Five Shires on the Dragon Coast's most eastern reaches; I have to place it in the Gulthmere Forest. Essentially, it has to be flipped (the map) and everthing kept to the east of the Cedar River. Do you think it is possible for the Five Shires to exist here (with obvious changes to history relating to the Forgotten Realms) as a PART of the Gulthmere Forest...but making the eastern reaches of that forest more Halfling Friendly?

How do you think the Hin would mesh with the other inhabitants of the Gulthmere Forest...such as the followers of Nobanion? Do you think making the "Fangs" of the Shires a type of honorary "knighthood" affiliated with the worship of Nobanion could work?

And last...could you please recommend a date in which Nobanion might have entered the Forgotten Realms? In the 2nd Edtion sourcebook Powers and Pantheons it notes that Nobanion came to Faerun "several centuries ago"...but not really a good estimate.

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 29 May 2012 :  04:26:18  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Jeremy, I want to check with Ed before I say anything, just to make sure, but Dalor Darden, I can help with one part of your queries.
If a sage Elminster spoke well of can be trusted, Nobanion became known in the Realms sometime between 940 DR and 960 DR.
(That comes from my Realmsplay notes of about a decade back.)
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Marco Volo
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Posted - 29 May 2012 :  08:18:28  Show Profile Send Marco Volo a Private Message
Hello Ed and THO,
Did Ed ever insert a school in his Realms campaign ? Has he a explanation at the fact that every PC (except the barbarian) know how to read, write and calculate ?
It's not a big "Realmslore" question, but I'm a curious guy

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Eldacar
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Posted - 29 May 2012 :  09:00:32  Show Profile  Visit Eldacar's Homepage  Click to see Eldacar's MSN Messenger address Send Eldacar a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all.
Eldacar and Sage, it was the now-extinct Principality of Fairbanner, which occupied a tiny bite out of The Grand Duchy of Shantal (a strip roughly 2 miles long by half that wide, along the Duchy's eastern border [[north end]]). The cambion in question, who styled himself "High Lord" Baerm Lamordair (names we later learned he'd taken from wealthy Vilhon Reach merchants he'd murdered, to seize their wealth), was trying to make Fairbanner much larger at the time we tangled with him. He fled after we took down most of his band of misfits (human/monster crossbreeds who were mostly "shunned outlaws" and brigands) - - and Fairbanner collapsed with him.
love,
THO


Many thanks. Some additional questions:

- What year specifically did he take control of the area in the Border Kingdoms?
- What year was he brought down?
- Did he have significantly larger ambitions than the region he was ruling at the time? Such as conquering the Border Kingdoms entirely? He wanted to make it bigger, but how far did his ambitions extend? (This may play into a question about Border Kingdoms conquerers I think I have sitting on my little pile somewhere.)
- Does he yet survive? You mentioned that he fled, but not if he was slain.
- Was he one of the ones aware of other cambions?
- How did the Knights find out he was a cambion, and who else seemed to be aware of his "heritage" (either seeking alliance, assistance, attempting to depose him, or something else)?

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 29 May 2012 :  20:27:17  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all!
Marco Volo, the rise of mercantile trade/travel and guilds has led to a rise in making younglings literate and competent in "trading mathematics," throughout the "civilized" Realms.
Ed has mentioned some of the topflight academies in previous years in this very thread, but perhaps I should reiterate the other sources of learning he's touched on over the years, too: guilds school their members, guildmembers school their children, "retired" warriors train younglings for fees, and so on, and temples train almost everyone who's willing, in small ways. (It also bears repeating that the Realms is unfolding differently than our real-world history.)

Eldacar, we don't know if the cambion still survives, but he definitely survived our attempts to hunt him down. We learned he was a cambion from a mage of the Border Kingdoms who'd tangled with him previously, and when we met him, his crimson skin and "flames for pupils" eyes supported that identification...
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Marco Volo
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Posted - 29 May 2012 :  20:50:29  Show Profile Send Marco Volo a Private Message
Thanks THO for enlighten me on this.
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Ayrik
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Posted - 29 May 2012 :  21:04:02  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message
There were also bardic colleges, although I don't know of any specifically outside Raven's Bluff.

Post-timejump Realms seems to have moved from "medieval" more towards "renaissance" ... replete with literate, half-educated, middle-classed populations. I suppose there's a schoolhouse in every village large enough to support a temple.

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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 29 May 2012 :  21:12:22  Show Profile  Visit Dalor Darden's Homepage Send Dalor Darden a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

There were also bardic colleges, although I don't know of any specifically outside Raven's Bluff.

Post-timejump Realms seems to have moved from "medieval" more towards "renaissance" ... replete with literate, half-educated, middle-classed populations. I suppose there's a schoolhouse in every village large enough to support a temple.



There is a Bardic College in Turmish as well, I suspect it is in Alaghon; but I can't swear to it.

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Barastir
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Posted - 30 May 2012 :  18:16:21  Show Profile  Click to see Barastir's MSN Messenger address Send Barastir a Private Message
There are also bardic colleges and magic schools in Silverymoon, and a bardic college in Waterdeep. However, I thought the question was about schools that could contribute to the population's - or to every class' - literacy.

EDIT: And then I wondered if bardic colleges (and maybe even mage organizations) would teach literacy to the major populace. Although I think arcane schools would be more restrictive, unlike temples. Mage and arcane ideology tends to se truth in misteries, while the religious use to see true as something to be revealed, and people enlightened. AND they can use education as a way of conversion. Of course, in a pantheistic world each religion can have a different point. And bards, although being arcane casters, historically were related to celtic religion, so maybe FR bards can be more open to teaching. Well, I'm sure Ed can elaborate a lot more about this issue.

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Posted - 31 May 2012 :  16:06:59  Show Profile Send Kajehase a Private Message
Speaking of maths - how far along is the Realms (in the 'main' part of Faerûn, i.e. the Sword Coast, Western Heartlands, and the Sea of Shining Stars areas, that is) in terms of mathematical theory? And how much math can the average peasant do? The average city-dweller? Average noble?

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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 31 May 2012 :  17:15:10  Show Profile  Visit Dalor Darden's Homepage Send Dalor Darden a Private Message
Ed and THO,

How does Ed view Halflings/Hin in the Forgotten Realms in their relationships with non-halflings in a romantic way? I've read The Five Shires many times that Ed wrote, and I was wondering if his Forgotten Realms Hin might be much the same in their views/actions (in even other areas besides romance)?

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ericlboyd
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Posted - 31 May 2012 :  18:15:24  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

There were also bardic colleges, although I don't know of any specifically outside Raven's Bluff.

Post-timejump Realms seems to have moved from "medieval" more towards "renaissance" ... replete with literate, half-educated, middle-classed populations. I suppose there's a schoolhouse in every village large enough to support a temple.



All the bardic colleges mentioned in the AD&D1 PHB have been located in the Realms, IIRC. Most were placed in Tethyr, but at least one was in the Moonshaes. I know the starting point for this was the novel Elfshadow and some where mentioned in Lands of Intrigue (at least the unabridged, pre-edit version), but I can't remember where we stuck the full list.

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 31 May 2012 :  18:37:14  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Kajehase, many folk can do "tally math," but in the Realms, advanced theory is more a matter of sages and of magic (arcane [spell cracting]and divine [priesthoods and religious philosophy], not maths, and that inevitably affects math development.

And how remiss of me...Eric!!! How great to see you posting here at the Keep, and working in the Realms again!!! Hugs and kisses!
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 31 May 2012 :  19:06:31  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by ericlboyd

quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

There were also bardic colleges, although I don't know of any specifically outside Raven's Bluff.

Post-timejump Realms seems to have moved from "medieval" more towards "renaissance" ... replete with literate, half-educated, middle-classed populations. I suppose there's a schoolhouse in every village large enough to support a temple.



All the bardic colleges mentioned in the AD&D1 PHB have been located in the Realms, IIRC. Most were placed in Tethyr, but at least one was in the Moonshaes. I know the starting point for this was the novel Elfshadow and some where mentioned in Lands of Intrigue (at least the unabridged, pre-edit version), but I can't remember where we stuck the full list.



I've the full list, but it's at home, and I'm not. I can dig it up and post it, but it'll be 8 hours or so before I can get home, eat my dinner, play with and bathe my son, get him to bed, and then get online.

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crazedventurers
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Posted - 01 Jun 2012 :  00:26:32  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message
Bards you say?

hmmm lets see

http://oracle.wizards.com/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0007C&L=realms-l&P=R15077

and

Fochlucan: The college of Fochlucan once stood on the northeastern edge of Silverymoon. After it closed, the college stood empty for many years before being reopened as Utrumm’s Music Conservatory. Utrumm’s Music Conservatory has since been moved to Southbank, and Fochlucan has been reborn as the House of the Harp. (See Elfsong, pages 10, 171, and Silver Marches, page __.)

MacFuirmidh: The college of MacFuirmidh once stood on the isle of Alaorn in the Moonshae Isles, south and east of Caer Callidyrr. (See Elfsong, pages 170-171.)

Doss: The college of Doss once stood in the shadow of the High Lady’s Castle in the city of Berdusk where Twilight Hall, the base of the western branch of the Harpers, now stands.

Canaith: The college of Canaith now lies in ruins along the northern stretch of the Hillstrail about 70 miles south of Zazesspur, its long-abandoned buildings put to the torch during the Black Days of Eleint in 1347 DR. (See Elfsong, pages 175.)

Cli: The college of Cli once lay within the eastern reaches of Baldur’s Gate, but its buildings have long since been torn down and replaced. The only remnant of this school is Elfsong Tavern, an adventurers’ drinking-place and hiring house notable for the ghostly elven female voice (once a student at the college) that can be heard from time to time. (See Volo’s Guide to the Sword Coast, pages 17-18.)

Anstruth: The college of Anstruth once stood in the heart of Sundabar’s trade ward. As recently as 1364 DR, only one building remained, a once-beautiful structure converted into a warehouse. The founding of the Silver Marches confederation and the refounding of Fochlucan in Silverymoon has given renewed energy to efforts by a handful of bards to refound Anstruth. (See Elfsong, pages 154-156, and Silver Marches, page __)

Ollamh: The college of Ollamh once stood on Rivon Street in Waterdeep’s Trade Ward, where the House of Song, guildhall of the Council of Musicians, Instrument-Makers, and Choristers, now stands, although many mistakenly believe it lay in Castle Ward, where Halambar Lutes & Harps now stands. In 1366 DR, Danilo Thann and members of the above-mentioned guild refounded the college as New Ollamh, located in Waterdeep’s Castle Ward in the old Cliffride villas of Heroes’ Rest and Stormwatch. (See Elfsong, pages 217, 243, City of Splendors: Campaign Guide, pages 40-41, 46-47, and City of Splendors: Waterdeep, pages __, and Dragon #__, page __.)
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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by crazedventurers

Bards you say?

hmmm lets see

http://oracle.wizards.com/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0007C&L=realms-l&P=R15077

and

Fochlucan: The college of Fochlucan once stood on the northeastern edge of Silverymoon. After it closed, the college stood empty for many years before being reopened as Utrumm’s Music Conservatory. Utrumm’s Music Conservatory has since been moved to Southbank, and Fochlucan has been reborn as the House of the Harp. (See Elfsong, pages 10, 171, and Silver Marches, page __.)

MacFuirmidh: The college of MacFuirmidh once stood on the isle of Alaorn in the Moonshae Isles, south and east of Caer Callidyrr. (See Elfsong, pages 170-171.)

Doss: The college of Doss once stood in the shadow of the High Lady’s Castle in the city of Berdusk where Twilight Hall, the base of the western branch of the Harpers, now stands.

Canaith: The college of Canaith now lies in ruins along the northern stretch of the Hillstrail about 70 miles south of Zazesspur, its long-abandoned buildings put to the torch during the Black Days of Eleint in 1347 DR. (See Elfsong, pages 175.)

Cli: The college of Cli once lay within the eastern reaches of Baldur’s Gate, but its buildings have long since been torn down and replaced. The only remnant of this school is Elfsong Tavern, an adventurers’ drinking-place and hiring house notable for the ghostly elven female voice (once a student at the college) that can be heard from time to time. (See Volo’s Guide to the Sword Coast, pages 17-18.)

Anstruth: The college of Anstruth once stood in the heart of Sundabar’s trade ward. As recently as 1364 DR, only one building remained, a once-beautiful structure converted into a warehouse. The founding of the Silver Marches confederation and the refounding of Fochlucan in Silverymoon has given renewed energy to efforts by a handful of bards to refound Anstruth. (See Elfsong, pages 154-156, and Silver Marches, page __)

Ollamh: The college of Ollamh once stood on Rivon Street in Waterdeep’s Trade Ward, where the House of Song, guildhall of the Council of Musicians, Instrument-Makers, and Choristers, now stands, although many mistakenly believe it lay in Castle Ward, where Halambar Lutes & Harps now stands. In 1366 DR, Danilo Thann and members of the above-mentioned guild refounded the college as New Ollamh, located in Waterdeep’s Castle Ward in the old Cliffride villas of Heroes’ Rest and Stormwatch. (See Elfsong, pages 217, 243, City of Splendors: Campaign Guide, pages 40-41, 46-47, and City of Splendors: Waterdeep, pages __, and Dragon #__, page __.)
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I forgot about the College of Doss in Twilight Hall. That solves a little problem in my current bardic-centric campaign.

Thanks for the reminder, crazed.

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Okay, fine, I won't share the list now. Nyah!


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Many thanks for the answer THO.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all.
Kajehase, many folk can do "tally math," but in the Realms, advanced theory is more a matter of sages and of magic (arcane [spell cracting]and divine [priesthoods and religious philosophy], not maths, and that inevitably affects math development.

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Missed this earlier... what with all the recent bardic-chatter and the like.

So, Ed, how has the development of both arcane and divine magic affected the development of higher math in your Realms? Could you provide some examples of the extent of the higher mathematical knowledge that so-called "mathemagicians" would understand in the Realms?

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Just from architecture alone, they must have advanced forms of Geometry...and I'm guessing the Waukeenar abilities "with the books" are pretty top notch as well!

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And considering the history of probability theory in our world, I'm guessing there's a Tymoran or two with at least a basic grasp of it.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
I forgot about the College of Doss in Twilight Hall. That solves a little problem in my current bardic-centric campaign.

Thanks for the reminder, crazed.



You are very welcome Sage, I too have a liking for Bards and music of the Realms

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Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
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Quick query coming from an odd line of thought: How would varying cultures in Faerun tend to regard a person with synaesthesia? Things like being able to taste colours or hear smells and all... Would they see it as a blessing? A curse? Just being a little mad? Or just sort of quirky but otherwise ignored?

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