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Hoondatha
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Posted - 29 Feb 2012 :  19:41:32  Show Profile  Visit Hoondatha's Homepage Send Hoondatha a Private Message
Hey Ed! Hope things are going well, adn that you're remembering to sleep every now and then. A discussion of fallen dwarven fortresses in the Spine of the World in another thread got me thinking, and I decided to wander over here and ask the master.

The original question was whether the original dwarven names of three orc-occupied strongholds had ever been published. I wanted to expand that a bit. While Delzoun is long fallen, there are still a number of Hidden strongholds in the Spine. I was hoping you could share the names of a few of them, as well as the names of some that have fallen.

I'm not asking for anything like full write-ups, just something like the name, a general idea of location, what it was known for/produced, and what destroyed it/now lives in it (if it's fallen). And maybe a tidbit or two that would whet an adventurer's appetite, in the style of the old Current Clack. I know there's a (pardon the expression) mountain of lore about the Spine that's never seen the light, and I was hoping to chip into it a little.

Many thanks, as always.

Doggedly converting 3e back to what D&D should be...
Sigh... And now 4e as well.
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Jakk
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Posted - 29 Feb 2012 :  22:54:41  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message
So, while searching the Ed archives for something else entirely (albeit related to Cormyr), I found the following from nearly seven years ago:
quote:
Posted by The Hooded One 02 May 2005
Hello, again, all.
Zandilar, Ed . . . adds an answer of sorts (sigh) to your comment: “Vangerdahast didn't pull Caladnei out of thin air, she must have been there in the background for a while - perhaps as one of the senior War Wizards? I mean, there'd be plenty of people who would be miffed at Caladnei leap frogging over them from nothing. So how well did Alusair know Caladnei prior to... hmm... Cormyr: A Novel? Was Caladnei even around prior to that novel? And if not, how is it that Vangerdahast expected the Obarskyrs (let alone the nobles) to accept her as his replacement?”
Ed speaks:

Ah, yes. I slipped a LITTLE about Caladnei’s past into ELMINSTER’S DAUGHTER, but Vangey’s process of magically watching her from afar, covertly testing her, watching her some more, offering her the job, accepting but not accepting her refusal, getting the Obarskyrs to accept her, and so on - - as well as his motives for choosing a successor at last, and specifically choosing HER, is something I’d like to show fictionally, some day. If the opportunity ever arises.
I’m not sure if it will, but (ahem) I have plans. I hope they can be made to dovetail with those of a certain other scribe, but I can’t say more just yet. No matter how much I want to.
You are of course correct: Vangey did not choose Caladnei impulsively, by any means.

So saith Ed. Darn those NDAs and the need not to screw up future possibilities, even if they’re not NDA’ed yet. Ah, well: I hope in the fullness of time we shall all see . . .
love to all,
THO

So... did anything come out of these plans of yours yet, Ed? And if not, is there a chance that it may still happen in the future with the widely-speculated but (AFAIK) still-unconfirmed strategy for FR in the new edition? I know that curiosity killed the cat... but WotC would do well to remember that satisfaction brought him back.

Edit:
quote:
Posted by The Hooded One 04 May 2005
Hello, scribes. Well, what should I find in the old inbox but yet ANOTHER reply from Ed to Zandilar:
<chop>And yes, she does think she’s barren. Whether she really is or isn’t, I can’t tell you: yes, Vangey did something magical to prevent her bearing unwanted Obarskyr bastards, but whether or not his meddling was permanent, or still holds, remains mysterious. To everyone but him, heh-heh - - and no, he’s said nothing recently about it to Alusair. Just one more thing she’s wrestling with (because Caladnei insists she doesn’t know, and doesn’t know the right spells to try to find out without harming Alusair, both of them agree NO clergy can be consulted for fear of this becoming widespread knowledge, and for some reason Laspeera and Filfaeril refuse to discuss this matter at all, and have been able to murmur a reason why that’s ended all insisting on the part of both Alusair and Caladnei. Alaphondar may or may not know something, but he’s not talking either.
Ohh, Throne of the Dragon, there’s a lot of future Cormyr fiction that needs writing . . . :}
<snip>
You asked: “But is holding them to higher expectations the same as holding them to the expectation of heterosexuality only? Have there ever been homosexual rulers of Cormyr?”
Answers: No, and yes, but not openly (exclusively homosexual, that is). As to whom . . . no, it’s not revelation time yet. (That thundering sound you hear is another NDA curtain falling.) :}

So saith Ed. More and more interesting. However, there are OTHER sides to the Realms besides matters sexual, and Ed promises to deal with one of them next time.
love to all,
THO

And this is what I was looking for in my search... are we likely to have answers to these questions in the D&DNext Realms? Namely, (a) Does Azoun V have first-cousins? (I expect NDA at the moment, of course) and (b) Who are our closeted monarchs? I expect that a careful reading of the Cormyr succession in GHotR will give us enough hints to figure it out... but I still would love to see that Lineage come out (pun fully intended ).

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.

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crazedventurers
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Posted - 01 Mar 2012 :  00:07:27  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Jakk
Ed speaks:
Ah, yes. I slipped a LITTLE about Caladnei’s past into ELMINSTER’S DAUGHTER, but Vangey’s process of magically watching her from afar, covertly testing her, watching her some more, offering her the job, accepting but not accepting her refusal, getting the Obarskyrs to accept her


Hi Jakk

Given what I have just posted in the 'Obarskys in Impiltur' thread, I really do the like the idea that Caladnei is working for and/or is perhaps related to descendants of Vaerom Obarskyr. That would explain why Vangy knew of her and why he was keeping tabs on her. He was in fact keeping tabs on all direct descendants of Ondeth (as per what the Mage Royal should do) in case they became an issue for Cormyr and/or they proved to be of the right character to invite back to strengthen Cormyr in general or in the case of the current Obarskyrs all dying he needed to 'plug the gap' so to speak and stop a civil war, (hence why Caladnei might just be the 'Hidden Heir' albeit in plain sight!).

Of course given the 'productivity' of Obarskyr men Vangy might have lots and lots of descendants of Ondeth et al to keep tabs on! (perhaps a project that we scribes can put together and make 'canon' as far as Candlekeep is concerned?)

Wild stab in the dark time here: Am wondering if Elminster is in fact a descendant of Ondeth or (more probably) an Obarskyr through one of Vaerom's five sons who left Cormyr when King Rhiiman made it clear to them that they were not welcome after the coup's in Impiltur? That would go some way to explaining his ongoing need to be involved in Cormyr without taking direct interest in it?

Of the two choices I would suspect that it is more likely that he is descendant from one of the five sons of Vaerom who moved to Westgate and then beyond as posted by Krash in the other thread. One of the sons headed east and his descendant was Uthgrael Aumar 'The Stag King' who founded Athalantar and was grand father to Elminster. Also the 'Stag King' fits nicely with Azoun V title of 'Stagmaster of the Realm' don't you think?

Ed, are these 'wild stabs in the dark' or does any of this make some sense and we patient scribes need to work on the theories some more to clean them up and get closer to the truth?

Kind regards

Damian

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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MalariaMoon
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Posted - 01 Mar 2012 :  01:31:49  Show Profile  Visit MalariaMoon's Homepage Send MalariaMoon a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all.
Malaria Moon, I'd got ahead and create whatever best suits your campaign, if I were you. Ed tells me that details about both of your queries are NDA right now, due to some future plans that may take some time to see the light of day.
Ed can tell you that the Circle of Flames cabal had two bases in Myth Drannor: a public meeting-place, and (as they acquired rivals) a secret one located in a tower in someone's mansion (palatial private home). And, I'm afraid, that's about all he can tell you.
love,
THO

Tis all I need. My thanks to you both

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Jakk
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Posted - 01 Mar 2012 :  06:25:52  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message
quote:
Posted by Blueblade 30 Dec 2011
Interestingly, Barastir, I once asked Ed directly, at a convention, if Larloch was or ever had been a Chosen.
Ed's reply: "Giving you a reply to that one would be very foolish on my part. Bwooohahahaha, and so forth."
Now, if that isn't a strong hint, I'll eat my left fo . . . well, no , I won't eat it. I might need it.
But . . .
Suggestive, huh?


BB... I guess you missed my conversation with THO regarding that very topic; see this scroll for my present speculations on Mystra (and those of others, not always on topic). The links in the first post... er, one of them, anyway... connect to a short exchange between THO and myself in Ed's scroll (I believe in 2010) in which certain things were confirmed in an implied manner... which is the best we can do when the publisher shares a "freedom of information" policy with the CIA... I believe Markustay made that comparison some years ago here.

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.
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crazedventurers
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Posted - 01 Mar 2012 :  10:44:48  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message
Tantum all

A question for THO if I may? In the home campaign are Azoun, Fee et al referred to as King Azoun Cormyr, Queen Fee Cormyr or has the TSR/WoTC published Realms name of Obarskyr slipped into the game?


A question for Ed if I may based on the current threads about the Obarskyrs. It seems to me that the Obarskyrs are actually more important in the wider Realms than just Cormyr given their involvement in the Kingdom of Impiltur and Vaerom and his sons in Westgate. Would I be close in assuming that many disparate 'Kingdoms' around the Realms have been formed/taken over/supported by 'blood of the Obarskyrs' even if they are not using that actual name? Am wondering if the Obarskyr bloodline is somehow 'blessed'/fated to greatness by the 'Will of the Gods' and is another 'hidden in plain view' secret you put in the Realms for your players (and now the wider D&D community) to discover?

Best to all

Cheers

Damian

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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Jakk
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Well met, Ed and THO. I hope you're taking Hoondatha's advice and remembering to sleep once in a while; I've had some difficulties with that myself lately (too much on the brain, most of it Realms mysteries).
quote:
Posted by The Hooded One 19 Feb 2006

Hi again, fellow scribes. This time, Ed tries to give a useful reply to Nevorick’s query: “Lady Herald, I will take thy advice and ask for small kernels of knowledge from the Sage, Ed. After thy whispers, what can Ed say on the Cormyrian Kings, Belmuth and Arathra?”
Ed speaks:

quote:
I’m afraid NDA concerns will render me much more terse than I’d like to be, but here we go:

Belmuth “the Bastard” is considered the 35th Obarskyr monarch in Cormyr’s royal lineage. Born 304 DR, died 334 DR (reigned 328 DR to death). Succeeded the infant king Baerildo, and was succeeded by his son Sargrannon. Belmuth was called “the Bastard” because he was the illegitimate (and eldest) son of Ulbaeram (the 31st Obarskyr monarch).
Belmuth was a reluctant king, commanded to the throne at the height of the Thronestrife and wanting none of its perils for himself or his family. He spent much of his time vainly seeking a way to secretively flee Cormyr and go into hiding. His tormentor and the cause of his death was [NDA].
Belmuth was a tall, burly, quiet man, more interesting in hawking, riding the backlands, and tramping the forests (he liked hunting with the bow, but had little taste for spearing boar or any sort of hunting involving beaters, large groups of men, and chases) than chatter and intrigue and fine wines and luxuries. Awkward in public and at dancing, he would have changed his face and name in an instant if he’d ever found any magical means of so disguising himself and his family, so as to escape a life he wanted no part of. The Cormyr he ‘ruled’ was a land of unease among the commoners and terror at court, thanks again to [NDA].

Arathra “the Little Spider” is considered the 45th Obarskyr monarch of the royal line. Born 322 DR, died 348 DR (reigned 347 DR to death). Succeeded Jasl “the Royal Jester” (so called thanks to his cruel practical jokes) and was succeeded by Barander. Arathra’s nickname came from her (inherited) small, frail build, and from her venomous disposition (she was softly-smiling cruelty personified, and intrigues and treachery were her fascination, delight, and entertainment). In the years before ascending the throne she took a consort [NDA] and bore him three sons, two of whom, [NDA and NDA], in the fullness of time, wore the crown.

As you can see, skeletal lore indeed. I must warn that I’m not going to say much more about these monarchs, and not give much greater depth if asked about others, either, because although I’d love to share everything freely with all scribes of Candlekeep and Realms fans, I’m NOT going to imperil the chances of getting the lore of Cormyr featured in some sort of official WotC print publication. Nevorick, you must rest assured that the Lineage as it stands now (although we’ll always want to add more detail to it, of course) presents a line of succession that has no holes in logic. Weirdnesses, yes, but everything’s explained if you read the entire document - - and the scribes THO named have done yeoman service in that regard.


So saith Ed. Who may be as curious as I am as to why these two monarchs in particular interest you, Nevorick. If you’re interested in setting a campaign way back during their times, you’ll have to concoct a LOT of information about the wider Realms around Cormyr yourself, and there’s a dark shadow hanging over the Forest Kingdom that Ed’s trying to avoid saying too much about. If you’re planning to have someone or someones around today who’s directly descended from either of these, forget it. That same shadow handily eliminated that possibility, although there are “loose end” Obarskyrs from this century who COULD serve that purpose, especially if the descent was illegitimate and secretive. If you were just curious about the stories of Belmuth and Arathra (because of their nicknames, perhaps), I’m afraid that’s just what Ed has to be so sketchy about. Sigh. Let us parley.
love,
THO


Part of me suspected that I'd already done this bit of detective work, but Google Advanced Search couldn't find anything but the original post (quoted above), so I guess not. Anyway, I know the Lineage is still under wraps, and I've predicted elsewhere what it will take to get it published (no, I'm not hopeful), but much of the above NDA'd lore is now known as of the GHotR... the NDA'd person referred to in the first two bold sections above is Gorauna, and the two sons of Arathra are Andilber and Anglond. I'm most curious as to why Arathra's consort's identity is still NDA (and I know you can't tell me who, but perhaps the why can be made known), and I think it's well past time that the story of the Thronestrife was told... Ed, I'd love to see it become your first open-timeline novel for the new edition, but I know that's not your decision to make (and even if it were, you might have other preferences). I may have made this stab in the dark before, but I'll speculate that the "shadow" referred to above has something to do with the Purplethroat Plague (the cause of death of a number of young monarchs during the Thronestrife)... from the name, I would suspect that it has something to do with Thauglorimorgorus... exactly what, I can't yet say; I'll further my investigations pending your confirmation that I'm on the right (or wrong) track. Anyway, I'll end my queries there and let you get to other things.

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.

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Icelander
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Posted - 02 Mar 2012 :  04:49:43  Show Profile  Visit Icelander's Homepage Send Icelander a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by crazedventurers

Tantum all

A question for THO if I may? In the home campaign are Azoun, Fee et al referred to as King Azoun Cormyr, Queen Fee Cormyr or has the TSR/WoTC published Realms name of Obarskyr slipped into the game?


A question for Ed if I may based on the current threads about the Obarskyrs. It seems to me that the Obarskyrs are actually more important in the wider Realms than just Cormyr given their involvement in the Kingdom of Impiltur and Vaerom and his sons in Westgate. Would I be close in assuming that many disparate 'Kingdoms' around the Realms have been formed/taken over/supported by 'blood of the Obarskyrs' even if they are not using that actual name? Am wondering if the Obarskyr bloodline is somehow 'blessed'/fated to greatness by the 'Will of the Gods' and is another 'hidden in plain view' secret you put in the Realms for your players (and now the wider D&D community) to discover?

Best to all

Cheers

Damian


Even if we assume that no Obarskyrs before 20 DR count, I submit that by ca 1350 DR, there is a virtual mathematical certainty that anyone born in Cormyr has the blood of Obarskyrs and anyone born in the Inner Sea lands at all has a more than 90% chance of being descended from Rhiiman or (overwhelmingly more likely) Faerlthann Obarskyr.

Go back long enough and you can divide the human population into two groups. Those who have no living descendants and those who are the ancestors of every living human. While 1300 years is not quite long enough for Toril as a whole, it is more than enough to ensure that the mathematical odds favour anyone with several Chondathans in their lineage.

Basically, being descended from someone, while very often trumpeted as a significant fact by the sort of people who like to think that being able to name ancestors makes their blood somehow older than other blood, is actually such an obvious prerequisite of being alive that it's no more worth bragging about than the tremendous achievement of being able to convert nutrition into waste.

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Garen Thal
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Posted - 02 Mar 2012 :  05:18:32  Show Profile  Visit Garen Thal's Homepage Send Garen Thal a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Icelander
Even if we assume that no Obarskyrs before 20 DR count, I submit that by ca 1350 DR, there is a virtual mathematical certainty that anyone born in Cormyr has the blood of Obarskyrs and anyone born in the Inner Sea lands at all has a more than 90% chance of being descended from Rhiiman or (overwhelmingly more likely) Faerlthann Obarskyr.
Note: Per Grand History of the Realms, Rhiiman died without issue. As did his brother Eskrius, his nephews Bryndar and Kaspler, and a number of other Cormyrean monarchs.

You're assuming a fairly standard array of numbers of children per Obarskyr, numbers of children surviving into adulthood, and numbers of children who survive to adulthood and have children themselves.

Having seen the Obarskyr lineage in its entirety from Telmer (Ondeth's father) to Raedra (the granddaughter of King Foril), I know for a fact that the mathematical certainty of which you speak is not nearly as certain as it might appear at first glance.

Azoun IV, of course, skews such numbers, but the ruling Obarskyrs have rarely been as populous as it might appear at first glance. Considering field-clearing events like the Thronestrife and long periods where there were no suriving issue to speak of (see Galaghard I/Galaghard II/Draxius, who reigned for 395 years all together and had exactly one child that produced issue: Bryntarth I), or where the only issue wound up on the throne, and there aren't a whole lot of spare branches--legitimate or illegitimate--of the Obarskyr tree floating around. Frankly, it's near-miraculous that they've stuck around this long.

Given the time, the resources, and the patience, I could probably find a hard stop for nearly every tracing of Faerlthann's blood into the present day. I don't have those things, so I can't venture to guess with any mathematical certainty how many people could claim to be descended from Faerlthann First-King, but it's certainly far less than 90%, or half, or even a quarter of the nobles of Cormyr.

And now back to your regularly over-scheduled Ed.
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Markustay
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And hinted at by Ed (and certain others), the 'Obarskyr tree' is prudently 'pruned' by discreet parties operating in the best interest of the kingdom, if not in the best interest of the Royal family.

Although I would hazard to guess Elminster has an unknown heir stashed-away somewhere (perhaps off-world), because thats just what he does - he meddles.

And when it comes to Cormyr, he meddles A LOT.

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Hi, Ed!

Can you give us some hints as to what realms will be "resurrected" in 5E?

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Hi, Ed!

Can you give us some hints as to what realms will be "resurrected" in 5E?



I suspect he'll refer to that dark and forbidden land, Endiae. Much has been lost in the shadows of that dread realm.


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Although I would hazard to guess Elminster has an unknown heir stashed-away somewhere (perhaps off-world), because thats just what he does - he meddles.
Actually, I find this little tidbit intriguing.

Assuming NDAs aren't barring the way, could either Ed or Brian possibly provide any insights on whether this indeed might be the case?

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


Hi, Ed!

Can you give us some hints as to what realms will be "resurrected" in 5E?


I suspect he'll refer to that dark and forbidden land, Endiae. Much has been lost in the shadows of that dread realm.


I suppose he can dance around it if he makes his clues a bit vague.

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Originally posted by Garen Thal

quote:
Originally posted by Icelander
Even if we assume that no Obarskyrs before 20 DR count, I submit that by ca 1350 DR, there is a virtual mathematical certainty that anyone born in Cormyr has the blood of Obarskyrs and anyone born in the Inner Sea lands at all has a more than 90% chance of being descended from Rhiiman or (overwhelmingly more likely) Faerlthann Obarskyr.
Note: Per Grand History of the Realms, Rhiiman died without issue. As did his brother Eskrius, his nephews Bryndar and Kaspler, and a number of other Cormyrean monarchs.

You're assuming a fairly standard array of numbers of children per Obarskyr, numbers of children surviving into adulthood, and numbers of children who survive to adulthood and have children themselves.

Having seen the Obarskyr lineage in its entirety from Telmer (Ondeth's father) to Raedra (the granddaughter of King Foril), I know for a fact that the mathematical certainty of which you speak is not nearly as certain as it might appear at first glance.

Azoun IV, of course, skews such numbers, but the ruling Obarskyrs have rarely been as populous as it might appear at first glance. Considering field-clearing events like the Thronestrife and long periods where there were no suriving issue to speak of (see Galaghard I/Galaghard II/Draxius, who reigned for 395 years all together and had exactly one child that produced issue: Bryntarth I), or where the only issue wound up on the throne, and there aren't a whole lot of spare branches--legitimate or illegitimate--of the Obarskyr tree floating around. Frankly, it's near-miraculous that they've stuck around this long.

Given the time, the resources, and the patience, I could probably find a hard stop for nearly every tracing of Faerlthann's blood into the present day. I don't have those things, so I can't venture to guess with any mathematical certainty how many people could claim to be descended from Faerlthann First-King, but it's certainly far less than 90%, or half, or even a quarter of the nobles of Cormyr.

And now back to your regularly over-scheduled Ed.

(bold added)
So... given that bold text, we have another argument for releasing the Lineage... allowing it to grow... in a supervised manner, of course.

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After looking at the map of Faerun again - I'm still trying to find what Markustay saw and asked you a mysterious yes-or-no question about some time ago - another question struck me. The answer is probably NDA, but:

Why was the area now known as the Misty Forest spared the fate suffered by the rest of the forest (now known as the High Moor) in the Dark Disaster?

As always, many thanks for whatever you can say about this.

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.

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Markustay
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It was an 'area effect' spell... of epic proportions.

Also, given how certain other things work with Elven High Magic, it may have been 'erased' from an earlier point in-time (which means the original Miyertar civilization could possibly still exist on Abeir, and given how Khelben 'brought back' that city, it is even more likely that there is an 'echo' of Miyeritar 'somewhere').

@Wooly - now I will have to add "Endiae" to my map of the Shadowfel, if and when I ever decide to do one. It will be located near the Isle of lost items (which is mostly filled with keys and socks).

Question for Ed:
Does the Obarskyr lineage extend backwards as well? Will we ever find out about the original, pre-Cormyrian Obarskyrs? If there is a branch of that family tree (I'm thinking somewhere in The North ), would they be considered Obarskyrs, or not really, since the 'branching' of the family predates the founding of Cormyr itself? By the same logic, does that mean the branch that Suzarra continued on in Impiltur would also not be 'Royals', because she left Cormyr before her son became king (even though the son she took with her was the brother of the first king)?

If a lost branch of the pre-Cormyrian family exists, could any of them be named Hornweather?


"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 05 Mar 2012 06:52:23
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Jakk
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

<snip>
Question for Ed:
Does the Obarskyr lineage extend backwards as well? Will we ever find out about the original, pre-Cormyrian Obarskyrs? If there is a branch of that family tree (I'm thinking somewhere in The North ), would they be considered Obarskyrs, or not really, since the 'branching' of the family predates the founding of Cormyr itself? By the same logic, does that mean the branch that Suzarra continued on in Impiltur would also not be 'Royals', because she if Cormyr before her son became king (even though the son she took with her was the brother of the first king)?


I believe I asked a similar question somewhere (possibly not in this scroll) rather recently, and the answer (from Garen Thal, IIRC) was that no, descendants of Ondeth's and Suzara's younger son would not be eligible heirs until and unless the entire Cormyr Obarskyr line (and all the bastard descendants therefrom) and all three Silver royal houses were completely extinguished. Edit: The link is General Forgotten Realms Chat: Obarskyrs in Impiltur. Look for Garen Thal's post from March 1, time 02:27. I will, of course, leave it to Ed and THO to confirm, but I think we can trust the source.

quote:
If a lost branch of the pre-Cormyrian family exists, could any of them be named Hornweather?


I'd love to know where you're going with this one, MT...

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.

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crazedventurers
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Hi Ed

Are we likely to see any more stories about Kurdag and the Exploding Herb Alchemy Shop?

Inquiring minds etc

Cheers

Damian

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Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
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Hi again, all. Damian, I think Ed was asked to write a short "establish the character" story for the bomb-hurling kobold, who is one of an iconic group of (four?) adventurers for the Shadowsfall setting, something akin to the iconic characters used as examples of character classes in the 3rd Edition D&D rulebooks.
So you may well see more fiction with Kurdag in it, but it probably won't be by Ed. However, given how busy he keeps himself and how well he gets along with most companies in the field, you never know...
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Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all. Damian, I think Ed was asked to write a short "establish the character" story for the bomb-hurling kobold, who is one


Thank you - its good to see how the world of digital publishing helps gets these sort of stories to the masses at a very reasonable price, something that (probaly) wouldn't be possible in printed format.

Looking forward to a few more shorties from Ed for less than a pound

Cheers

Damian

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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Two new questions, connected to the recent questions regarding Cormyr and Royal lineages:
Firstly, how common is it for the women (whether noble or not) of Cormyr to engage in war? Not as a last resort; as their primary occupation. Alusair always seemed to be completely alone int his regard, but in Cormyr: a Novel, the person who seemed closest to Duar and fouight by his side was Elvarin Truesilver. Was this a by-product of those desperate times, or is Alusair not the first noblewoman in the history of Cormyr to take up the sword and become a warrior? If so, can Ed furnish us with further details of such warrior-women and their exploits, and particularly more details regarding Elvarin?
Secondly, what can Ed tell us about these nobles of Cormyr beyond what is written in sourcebooks, whether before or after the Spellplague - Casplar Hundyl Immerdusk, Lord Dhalmass Rallyhorn and Alisanda Rayburton?

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Cormyr also had a 'Warrior Queen', IIRC.

EDIT:
I think it was Gantharla. There was also Enchara of Esparin (who married into the Obarskyrs). After some very minor net-digging, there was supposedly 7 warrior queens of Cormyr.

EDIT2: After slightly more digging, I find Cormyr had 7 ruling queens (up until the end of the 3e era), but not all of them may have been 'warrior queens' - my mistake.

(THIS is the thread I have been referencing.)
quote:
Originally posted by Jakk

I'd love to know where you're going with this one, MT...
That was someone's 'maiden name'.

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Edited by - Markustay on 05 Mar 2012 16:08:02
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Jakk
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay


quote:
Originally posted by Jakk

I'd love to know where you're going with this one, MT...
That was someone's 'maiden name'.


I remember now... it's been a while since I read those books. Looking forward to your reply, Ed... assuming it's not 'NDA'...

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The Hooded One
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Hi again, all.
I bring you the latest words of Ed, this time in response to Markustay's queries: "Does the Obarskyr lineage extend backwards as well? Will we ever find out about the original, pre-Cormyrian Obarskyrs? If there is a branch of that family tree (I'm thinking somewhere in The North), would they be considered Obarskyrs, or not really, since the 'branching' of the family predates the founding of Cormyr itself? By the same logic, does that mean the branch that Suzarra continued on in Impiltur would also not be 'Royals', because she left Cormyr before her son became king (even though the son she took with her was the brother of the first king)?"
Ed replies:

Of course the Obarskyr lineage extends back into the past. However, the recorded lineage (that hasn't been published yet) doesn't cover much about those elder ancestors. I hope we'll someday learn more about them, yes, but I honestly haven't the faintest when or how, right now. Other fish are frying . . .
What Garen Thal posted about their eligibility for the Dragon Throne is (of course) in every sense correct. While farflung relations (who are far, far fewer than some scribes have been speculating) may even be Obarskyr by surname, they're not "our royal family" to Cormyreans.
Sorry.
(However, in this regard, I do have more up my sleeve than just my arm. ;} )



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