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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 10 Feb 2012 :  21:32:15  Show Profile  Click to see Alystra Illianniis's MSN Messenger address Send Alystra Illianniis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Oddly, although I tend to agree with the Wooly One regarding most of King's work (save for Salem's Lot- HATED it!!) I did enjoy The Cell. It was creepy, without being too clichee. the only newer one of his that I've really liked. However, I didn't care for the Dark Tower series, and my favorite book of his wasn't even horror, it was his foray into fantasy, Eyes of the Dragon!

Meyer, I won't even go into- I'm too much of a purist of vamp lore to EVER take her seriously, and besides, the idea of some teen girl pining away over her absentee, stalker boyfriend and then getting prego by him and having the baby even after being told it will kill her is NOT my cup of tea. To say nothing of the "sparkle" issue.... I TRIED reading the first book- got about two chapters in and wanted to put a bullet in Bella's head. not to mention rip out Eddie's fangs for being such a whimp vamp! (rolls eyes)

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quote:
Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis

Oddly, although I tend to agree with the Wooly One regarding most of King's work (save for Salem's Lot- HATED it!!) I did enjoy The Cell. It was creepy, without being too clichee. the only newer one of his that I've really liked. However, I didn't care for the Dark Tower series, and my favorite book of his wasn't even horror, it was his foray into fantasy, Eyes of the Dragon!


It's been my experience that Eyes of the Dragon is not overly well-liked by King fans. Me, I really enjoyed it.

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Dennis
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Maine does seem to have an extraordinary amount of weird events happening to it in King's fiction.


He was asked in an interview why he's fond of using Maine as the setting of some of his novels. And he said, other than because it gave the novels some connection (however loose), he'd familiarized every nook and cranny of the place, which enabled him to make his stories sound as close to truth as he wanted them to be.

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by entreri3478

Maine does seem to have an extraordinary amount of weird events happening to it in King's fiction.


He was asked in an interview why he's fond of using Maine as the setting of some of his novels. And he said, other than because it gave the novels some connection (however loose), he'd familiarized every nook and cranny of the place, which enabled him to make his stories sound as close to truth as he wanted them to be.



That does make a certain amount of sense... Still, since all of the towns were made up, anyway, and only rarely was the outside world all that important, then he still could have set those towns nearly anywhere.

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Thauranil
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Posted - 11 Feb 2012 :  11:52:32  Show Profile Send Thauranil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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I don't see how 12% can hate Tolkien. I mean he is pretty much the father of modern fantasy, his books are highly detailed and well written and he invented Elvish! If it wasn't for LOTR I would never have started reading fantasy in the first place and I am sure many others also fell in love with fantasy thanks to him.


It just shows that no matter how popular an author may be, there are always those who will dislike their writing style.

I have seen a few "Best Fantasy Reading" sites where some of my favorite authors were verbally trashed. Doesn't bother me a bit.


In a way the more famous an author is the more detractors he/she will attract along with those who are loyal fans. So I suppose it makes sense if you think of it that way. Well each to his own.


That's often the case. Look at Stephen King and Stephenie Meyer. The number of their detractors almost equal to that of their loyal fans.



Yep. I absolutely loved some of Stephen King's earliest books (Cujo, The Shining, Salem's Lot) but I would have to have a gun pointed at my head to read any of his newest works. I think it's safe to say that i will pass on Meyer as well. I do, however, plan on reading all of the Harry Potter books someday.



Feel free to try out the Harry Potter books,they are good for a light read.
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Icelander
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

That does make a certain amount of sense... Still, since all of the towns were made up, anyway, and only rarely was the outside world all that important, then he still could have set those towns nearly anywhere.


In my experience, he could not have.

King conveys a very unique sense of place, culture and history in his stories set in Maine. If they were set somewhere else, it would not make sense for northern New Englanders partially descended from French loggers to be there.

The best writing makes a place and its people come to life. King does that for Maine, but I doubt he could do that with places he had never been and didn't know the people or culture.

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Dennis
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quote:
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I do, however, plan on reading all of the Harry Potter books someday.


Feel free to try out the Harry Potter books,they are good for a light read.


Agreed.

Rowling is one of the very few authors whose readership include almost all age groups.

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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 11 Feb 2012 :  16:34:10  Show Profile  Visit Artemas Entreri's Homepage Send Artemas Entreri a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Thauranil

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Originally posted by entreri3478

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Originally posted by Dennis

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Originally posted by Thauranil

quote:
Originally posted by entreri3478

quote:
Originally posted by Thauranil

I don't see how 12% can hate Tolkien. I mean he is pretty much the father of modern fantasy, his books are highly detailed and well written and he invented Elvish! If it wasn't for LOTR I would never have started reading fantasy in the first place and I am sure many others also fell in love with fantasy thanks to him.


It just shows that no matter how popular an author may be, there are always those who will dislike their writing style.

I have seen a few "Best Fantasy Reading" sites where some of my favorite authors were verbally trashed. Doesn't bother me a bit.


In a way the more famous an author is the more detractors he/she will attract along with those who are loyal fans. So I suppose it makes sense if you think of it that way. Well each to his own.


That's often the case. Look at Stephen King and Stephenie Meyer. The number of their detractors almost equal to that of their loyal fans.



Yep. I absolutely loved some of Stephen King's earliest books (Cujo, The Shining, Salem's Lot) but I would have to have a gun pointed at my head to read any of his newest works. I think it's safe to say that i will pass on Meyer as well. I do, however, plan on reading all of the Harry Potter books someday.



Feel free to try out the Harry Potter books,they are good for a light read.



I plan on it. Have the Potter books been released in Mass Market Paperback format? I haven't been able to find any.

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Wooly Rupert
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That does make a certain amount of sense... Still, since all of the towns were made up, anyway, and only rarely was the outside world all that important, then he still could have set those towns nearly anywhere.


In my experience, he could not have.

King conveys a very unique sense of place, culture and history in his stories set in Maine. If they were set somewhere else, it would not make sense for northern New Englanders partially descended from French loggers to be there.

The best writing makes a place and its people come to life. King does that for Maine, but I doubt he could do that with places he had never been and didn't know the people or culture.



He has written stories set elsewhere, though. And since his stories usually focus on either a small group, or even a whole town, it's the town itself that matters, not where it is.

So he has set stories elsewhere, and he can do it again, if he wants to.

I live in Florida. I've read a lot of Stephen King. And from what I've seen, his passing references to large cities or historical groups can easily be swapped out. I've actually been to Maine, and the only way I know that most of his stories are set there is because it says so within the text. I've never felt that I was reading about a particular region, and his books didn't make me recognize anything about Maine when I was there.

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Dennis
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Posted - 11 Feb 2012 :  17:25:35  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Have the Potter books been released in Mass Market Paperback format?


Yes. There's even a boxed set already.

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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 11 Feb 2012 :  19:33:15  Show Profile  Visit Artemas Entreri's Homepage Send Artemas Entreri a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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quote:
Originally posted by entreri3478

Have the Potter books been released in Mass Market Paperback format?


Yes. There's even a boxed set already.



Damn. I have seen the Trade Paperback one, but never the Mass Market size

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Dennis
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Have the Potter books been released in Mass Market Paperback format?


Yes. There's even a boxed set already.


Damn. I have seen the Trade Paperback one, but never the Mass Market size


If you can still find it, I would also recommend The Tales of Beedle the Bard. It contains five 'fairy tales' that are actually based on true events. True in the Harry Potter world only, of course.

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Hawkins
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There is a hardcover edition of Beedle the Bard that I think is unlikely to go out of print anytime soon. I read them to my son when he was in the womb. Now that he is beginning to enjoy being read to (at 5 months old), I should read them to him again. =)

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There is a hardcover edition of Beedle the Bard that I think is unlikely to go out of print anytime soon. I read them to my son when he was in the womb. Now that he is beginning to enjoy being read to (at 5 months old), I should read them to him again. =)



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Thats what my dad did.

I found his stash of Playboys.

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Thats what my dad did.

I found his stash of Playboys.



You just read the articles though correct?

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Playboys? Is that the magazine where boys play with each other?

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Okay, I think we've deviated from the scroll's topic for long enough.

Let's get back to discussing authors, eh?

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Markustay
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LOL Sage - can't Hugh Hefner count as an 'author we love to hate'?

And yes, I did indeed read the articles.


But to go back to that last comment of entreri's - YES, I did start my own boys early, on both fantasy & games, and they are still avid gamers and fantasy buffs. The two older ones used to play D&D with me, and I am hoping to play with the two younger ones soon.

I think having an active imagination is very important in developing a young mind, and kids mimic their parents, so I made sure mine always saw me reading something. I don't care if they don't like the exact same stuff I do - I just want to make sure they don't set themselves limits. Fantasy & Scify helps people wrap their minds around problems in ways most folks can't, and that freedom of expression and ability to think outside the box is a quality you just can't put a price on.

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Thauranil
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Well i got my younger brother started on sci fi first.( The adventures of young boba fett) but we are big Star wars fans in my family. we only started reading fantasy after seeing Fellowship of the Ring.
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I am pleased to see that Steven Erikson received 0 votes since I am contemplating starting his Malazan series very soon. Can anyone who has read the series give me any insight on how smooth (or easy to learn) the transition is while learning all of the characters/setting? I love Martin's Song of Ice and Fire and thought the "learning curve" for that series wasn't too bad at all. Thanks!

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I haven't read all the books, but the ones I did were good enough for one- or two-time read, except the many fillers and ridiculous names.

The system of magic is nice. Character development is fine; and some character backgrounds are exceptionally done. The gods are a different story, though--- they can be punched near-unconscious by "common" soldiers.

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I usually don't prefer for fantasy names to be too crazy (it bothers me if i have to sound it out in my head the first time i see it), but I have heard great things about this series and am excited to start it.

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They're not published in chronological order. That's one of the reasons I read it out of order. Though I guess it's still better to start with Gardens of the Moon.

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Yeah that is the first book I have by Erikson. If i enjoy it then i will purchase the next few books in the series. I read Esslemont's Malazan book Night of Knives and thought it was ok, nothing special though.

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