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Dennis
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This looks like a good listing.

And this, too.


Stephen King as a fantasy author? barf

He wrote The Dark Tower series, which is a combination of several genre, including, if not predominantly, fantasy.

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I can't believe that Terry Brooks isn't on here. I don't care much for his latest works, but the original Shannara books are hard to beat IMHO.



I dunno... The Sword of Shannara was a revamped Lord of the Rings... And when the shade of Bremen makes its prophecy, the conclusion the characters reach from that prophecy is so blatantly illogical that it detracts from the entire story.

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This looks like a good listing.

And this, too.



Stephen King as a fantasy author? barf



I enjoyed his fantasy novel The Eyes of the Dragon.

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I can't believe that Terry Brooks isn't on here. I don't care much for his latest works, but the original Shannara books are hard to beat IMHO.



I dunno... The Sword of Shannara was a revamped Lord of the Rings... And when the shade of Bremen makes its prophecy, the conclusion the characters reach from that prophecy is so blatantly illogical that it detracts from the entire story.

I still need to make an effort with Brooks' works. I recall a discussion of the Shannara books coming up here at Candlekeep earlier in the year, and that re-triggered my interest in these works. I'm especially intrigued by those "Druid-centric" novels...

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Artemas Entreri
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I can't believe that Terry Brooks isn't on here. I don't care much for his latest works, but the original Shannara books are hard to beat IMHO.

I was debating between him and Farland.

I even felt bad not including Rowling in the list. HP series has been such a huge phenomenon that broke barriers between audiences, as the young and adults alike devoured it.

For those who voted authors not on the list, fret not. Just choose "Other" and every once in a while I will post a tally of the individual votes for that choice.



I do enjoy Farlands Runelords series too, though i found the first few books in the series much more enjoyable than the last few.

Everyone on here who has posted would probably come up with 12 different authors for this poll, with a few overlaps in between. I think you did a pretty good job with the ones you selected.

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Artemas Entreri
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My favourite author is Brent Weeks, author of the Night Angel Trilogy and the Black Prism. If you haven't read these...then do so.


Brent Weeks is a great author and i love his stuff so far, but way to early for him to be on this list

I'm inclined to agree.

I already bought The Black Prism but haven't read it yet. Its blurb somehow reminds me of C.S. Friedman's The Magister Trilogy. And oh! I wish they'd publish---even as just limited edition---hardbound copies of The Night Angel. The newspaper-like quality almost ascertains its short shelf life in my library.



I also have yet to reat the Black Prism, but it's on my list. This book is set in a new world correct?

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Dennis
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I can't believe that Terry Brooks isn't on here. I don't care much for his latest works, but the original Shannara books are hard to beat IMHO.


I dunno... The Sword of Shannara was a revamped Lord of the Rings...

You're not the only one who thinks so. When asked about it, Brooks said something along this line, "Are there any fantasy novels that don't follow Tolkien?"

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Artemas Entreri
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Originally posted by entreri3478

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Originally posted by Dennis

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Originally posted by Dennis


This looks like a good listing.

And this, too.


Stephen King as a fantasy author? barf

He wrote The Dark Tower series, which is a combination of several genre, including, if not predominantly, fantasy.



Meh. Granted, I have not read the Dark Tower series simply because it does not interest me in the slightest, but from what i have heard it sounds mostly like SciFi. I prefer hardcore fantasy: no guns, cars, modern tech, etc.

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Artemas Entreri
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

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Originally posted by entreri3478

I can't believe that Terry Brooks isn't on here. I don't care much for his latest works, but the original Shannara books are hard to beat IMHO.



I dunno... The Sword of Shannara was a revamped Lord of the Rings... And when the shade of Bremen makes its prophecy, the conclusion the characters reach from that prophecy is so blatantly illogical that it detracts from the entire story.

I still need to make an effort with Brooks' works. I recall a discussion of the Shannara books coming up here at Candlekeep earlier in the year, and that re-triggered my interest in these works. I'm especially intrigued by those "Druid-centric" novels...



Wishsong of Shannara is my favorite fantasy book (or BOOK period) of all time. I read it for the first time when i was 12 and have re-read it at least 5 times since. Terry Brooks got me hooked on the fantasy genre when i was young and the world he created in my mind is the most vivid out of anything i have read.

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Markustay
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Originally posted by entreri3478

Stephen King as a fantasy author? barf



I enjoyed his fantasy novel The Eyes of the Dragon.

He might be better off as a fantasy author - I never really cared for his horror.

Think about - a giant spider-turned clown is ridiculous (IMHO), but how much cooler does it become in D&D if a offshoot of Aranea became evil psionicists with the ability to cloak their appearance with mind-numbing illusions?

Horror is merely the red-headed stepchild of fantasy - have you ever read Grimm's Fairy Tales in their original form? Rather gruesome, actually.

The Throne of Bones is one of my favorite cross-genre novels; I wouldn't be quite sure where to place it, because it was both macabre and fantastical all at once.

Dennis McKiernan's Mithgar is an admitted Middle-Earth rip-off, and yet, the author has come up with enough novelty for us to overlook the complete derivativeness of his work. The Warrows are obviously Hobbit knock-offs, and at the same time are much more creative then Tolkien's original.

There are so many sub-genres of fantasy I don't think an answer to this question is possible. Aren't things like Indiana Jones, Wild, Wild West, and The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen all fantasy? Isn't Star Wars?

Even the DaVinci Code could be classified as fantasy, because anything fictional (even if based upon half-truths) is fantasy, technically. Recently I discovered a new (to me) genre - the adventure novel; I was stuck somewhere about two years ago with nothing to read but Dirk Pitt novels, and found they were pretty damn entertaining (and even took away a few useful bits for my fantasy gaming!)

And then there is taste - everyone's is different. I find The wildly popular Shanarra series a bore - I have never been able to get past the first couple of chapters. I loved LotR and The Hobbit, and yet couldn't finish the Silmarillion (it reads like a monotonous history text book to me). I have heard people rave about the Gormenghast novels, and I find them an utter waste of dead trees (the paper, in case you didn't get that).

And I am sure there are plenty of books I loved that others here would hate, and that's okay, because we are all different, and tha'ts the way it should be.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 03 Oct 2011 :  16:37:01  Show Profile Send Artemas Entreri a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by entreri3478

I can't believe that Terry Brooks isn't on here. I don't care much for his latest works, but the original Shannara books are hard to beat IMHO.


I dunno... The Sword of Shannara was a revamped Lord of the Rings...

You're not the only one who thinks so. When asked about it, Brooks said something along this line, "Are there any fantasy novels that don't follow Tolkien?"



I agree that Sword of Shannara was not a totally original plot, but MOST epic fantasy stories like that are going to run along the same lines of LOTR. Good vs Evil, the unsuspecting hero, might and magic....it's all been done before. This difference is all about how the author gives the story their own flavor. That and creating a memorable setting of course....which Shannara is for me.

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Dennis
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My favourite author is Brent Weeks, author of the Night Angel Trilogy and the Black Prism. If you haven't read these...then do so.


Brent Weeks is a great author and i love his stuff so far, but way to early for him to be on this list

I'm inclined to agree.

I already bought The Black Prism but haven't read it yet. Its blurb somehow reminds me of C.S. Friedman's The Magister Trilogy. And oh! I wish they'd publish---even as just limited edition---hardbound copies of The Night Angel. The newspaper-like quality almost ascertains its short shelf life in my library.


I also have yet to reat the Black Prism, but it's on my list. This book is set in a new world correct?

Yes, totally new. Weeks mentioned in his site that he wouldn't return to Midcyru yet, not even after The Lightbringer is finished. Though he also said there may be changes to his plans and he might write another series set in Midcyru, or at the very least, a stand-alone novel.

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by entreri3478

I can't believe that Terry Brooks isn't on here. I don't care much for his latest works, but the original Shannara books are hard to beat IMHO.


I dunno... The Sword of Shannara was a revamped Lord of the Rings...

You're not the only one who thinks so. When asked about it, Brooks said something along this line, "Are there any fantasy novels that don't follow Tolkien?"



I agree that Sword of Shannara was not a totally original plot, but MOST epic fantasy stories like that are going to run along the same lines of LOTR. Good vs Evil, the unsuspecting hero, might and magic....it's all been done before. This difference is all about how the author gives the story their own flavor. That and creating a memorable setting of course....which Shannara is for me.



There's a difference between running along the same lines and being almost identical. I'm fine with similarities, but there's just too many of them in Sword.

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From this list i picked Tolkien...But WHERE IS ROBERT E. HOWARD?????

Robert Howard is for me the best storyteller of fantasy ....He had an overwhelming talent on writing!!!

But and Tolkien was a creative mind with Middle Earth...

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Dennis
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There's a difference between running along the same lines and being almost identical. I'm fine with similarities, but there's just too many of them in Sword.


I would rather have that comment directed to Robert Jordan's The Eye of the World.

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Artemas Entreri
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Originally posted by entreri3478

quote:
Originally posted by Dennis

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by entreri3478

I can't believe that Terry Brooks isn't on here. I don't care much for his latest works, but the original Shannara books are hard to beat IMHO.


I dunno... The Sword of Shannara was a revamped Lord of the Rings...

You're not the only one who thinks so. When asked about it, Brooks said something along this line, "Are there any fantasy novels that don't follow Tolkien?"



I agree that Sword of Shannara was not a totally original plot, but MOST epic fantasy stories like that are going to run along the same lines of LOTR. Good vs Evil, the unsuspecting hero, might and magic....it's all been done before. This difference is all about how the author gives the story their own flavor. That and creating a memorable setting of course....which Shannara is for me.



There's a difference between running along the same lines and being almost identical. I'm fine with similarities, but there's just too many of them in Sword.


I would rather have that comment directed to Robert Jordan's The Eye of the World.



I have yet to start the Wheel of Time series. I know I know, shame on me. I like to be able to read a series straight through without waiting a year or more in between books. George R R Martin is killing me with the 3-4 years in between his books. I love that series though

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Dennis
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Then you do have a lot of catching up to do.

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Artemas Entreri
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Then you do have a lot of catching up to do.



Oh i know. I wish i was one of those speed readers.

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From this list i picked Tolkien...But WHERE IS ROBERT E. HOWARD?????

Robert Howard is for me the best storyteller of fantasy ....He had an overwhelming talent on writing!!!

But and Tolkien was a creative mind with Middle Earth...

I can't put on the list everything that everyone wants. There's a limit, remember? As I suggested earlier, if your pick is not on the list, you may choose "Other" and I will tally its individual votes [per author] when it reaches, say, 10 or 15.

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The Hooded One
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Hi, all.
Dennis, THE NIGHT ANGEL has been published in hardcover at least twice (one of them an SF Book club edition, so the quality of the paper isn't thrilling). so track it down.
For those who enjoy Farland, that's really Dave Wolverton, so there are a lot more older books out there, under his own name, for enthusiasts to track down.
And Jordan's "Eye" might well be derivative, but the first Shannara book triggered a lawsuit that the UK publisher responded to by cancelling the British edition on the grounds that they couldn't hope to successfully defend themselves. The Hildebrandt illo of the assembled company of heroes was even a direct borrow from their own earlier Tolkien Calendar illo of the Fellowship - - swapped right for left, and with some tinkering of hair and beard colors.
That said, I like Terry, and the later Shannara books become much more the writer's own voice and invention. He grew along with his created world.
Yet if we're polling for "Greatest," he and Farland aren't even in the running. "Greatest" would mean standout in some regard, and they don't. Sorry.
And I agree: Brent Weeks is a good writer, but it's far too early to be even considerinf him for "Greatest" anything, especially "of All Time." Try "promising newcomer" instead.
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Dennis
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Then you do have a lot of catching up to do.


Oh i know. I wish i was one of those speed readers.

Want to improve your reading speed? Drink five cups of coffee. It works for me.

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Thanks for that THO. But where to? Definitely not in our local bookstores. Even Fully Booked which brags of its wide selection, both in titles and format, doesn't have it. Amazaon only has the pb and kindle formats.

Edit: Oh! eBay has it.

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Artemas Entreri
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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


Then you do have a lot of catching up to do.


Oh i know. I wish i was one of those speed readers.

Want to improve your reading speed? Drink five cups of coffee. It works for me.



Yeah but then i would be wasting valuable reading time by going to the bathroom every 10 minutes.

Just to clarify: i am not a slow reader, just wish i could read super fast since there are 100's of books i have yet to have time for.

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Artemas Entreri
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi, all.
Dennis, THE NIGHT ANGEL has been published in hardcover at least twice (one of them an SF Book club edition, so the quality of the paper isn't thrilling). so track it down.
For those who enjoy Farland, that's really Dave Wolverton, so there are a lot more older books out there, under his own name, for enthusiasts to track down.
And Jordan's "Eye" might well be derivative, but the first Shannara book triggered a lawsuit that the UK publisher responded to by cancelling the British edition on the grounds that they couldn't hope to successfully defend themselves. The Hildebrandt illo of the assembled company of heroes was even a direct borrow from their own earlier Tolkien Calendar illo of the Fellowship - - swapped right for left, and with some tinkering of hair and beard colors.
That said, I like Terry, and the later Shannara books become much more the writer's own voice and invention. He grew along with his created world.
Yet if we're polling for "Greatest," he and Farland aren't even in the running. "Greatest" would mean standout in some regard, and they don't. Sorry.
And I agree: Brent Weeks is a good writer, but it's far too early to be even considerinf him for "Greatest" anything, especially "of All Time." Try "promising newcomer" instead.
love,
THO



I read to small author bio on the back of one of Brent Weeks' books (im fairly sure it was Weeks) where he said something to the effect of: I do not have a ponytail, i do not own 5 black cats, and i don't practice swordplay in my free time...i just enjoy writing about fantasy. I have liked him ever since.

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Just to clarify: i am not a slow reader, just wish i could read super fast since there are 100's of books i have yet to have time for.

Oh, I know. Someone who reads really "fat" books can't be a slow reader.

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