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LordXenophon
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Posted - 21 Jul 2012 :  22:43:04  Show Profile  Send LordXenophon an AOL message Send LordXenophon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That just sounds like you end your campaigns when the characters are barely starting to get powerful enough to survive a baby dragon.

Personally, I would never start a campaign without first determining who the dominant monsters are in the campaign area, where they live, what they are involved in, what would attract their attention, who they know in town, etc. This will ALWAYS involve the local dragons. Sometimes, there's even a dragon or two in town. In fact, quite a few dragons live in Waterdeep and are very active in the campaign, whether the PC's notice them or not.

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Edited by - LordXenophon on 21 Jul 2012 23:01:22
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 24 Jul 2012 :  00:04:05  Show Profile  Click to see Alystra Illianniis's MSN Messenger address Send Alystra Illianniis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Heh. I've used one dragon (in disguise) to hire the PC's to kill its own parent. And tricked them into trying to "rescue" that very same parent (in disguise again) from- itself. Dragons are so versitile, they don't ALWAYS have to be used as straightforward enemies. And Dennis, let's not forget there are plenty of fantasy tales where dragons are potent allies, rather than just beasts of burden or monsters to fight. Wizard in Rhyme series, anyone?(The first thing the hero does when transported to the alternate world is get into a spell-battle with a wizard, then summon a dragon by accident when trying to escape said wizard's dungeon.) Eragon? Myth Adventures(Gleep)? Guardians of the Flame series?(There were two, one they rescued from slavery, the other killed one of the group when they were trying to return home.) These are just a few examples.

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jazirian reborn
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Posted - 30 Jul 2012 :  12:41:10  Show Profile Send jazirian reborn a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The first two serious tastes at 1st edition were the old SSI modules Pools of Radiance and Curse of the Azure Bonds.
Both had a possessed Dragon body as the final benchmark , and I guess I tend to think of the spell powered, massive beast that dominates all around it.
The lure of fame and treasure is equally iconic as well.
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LordXenophon
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Posted - 22 Aug 2012 :  21:00:25  Show Profile  Send LordXenophon an AOL message Send LordXenophon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sometimes, the treasure can be the monster. How many times have you been bitten by a mimic or stung by a lock lurker? And I won't even go into intelligent magic items.

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Markustay
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And vice-versa. Sometimes the monster is the treasure.

Monster-parts used to be a big part of the MM entries. Sometimes you got far more for something's snout (or eye, or liver, etc) then the treasure you found after killing it.

And thats not even including capturing monsters to sell to evil wizards, menageries, Colosseum-style combats, mage-schools and sagely academies, etc.

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LordXenophon
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Posted - 24 Aug 2012 :  19:41:20  Show Profile  Send LordXenophon an AOL message Send LordXenophon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dont forget all the flying monsters I sold to the Waterdeep Air Guard.

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Alruane
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Posted - 17 Nov 2013 :  09:40:24  Show Profile Send Alruane a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Beholders are VERY iconic for D&D, in my opinion.

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hashimashadoo
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Posted - 17 Nov 2013 :  18:17:09  Show Profile  Visit hashimashadoo's Homepage  Click to see hashimashadoo's MSN Messenger address Send hashimashadoo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Definitely the mind flayer. No creature in DnD inspires more fear in my players than them. They'd much rather fight a CR 8 dragon than an illithid.

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The Arcanamach
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Beholder because it was a unique DnD creation, but illithid should have been a choice too.

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Drustan Dwnhaedan
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Posted - 20 Nov 2013 :  01:56:08  Show Profile Send Drustan Dwnhaedan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I voted 'dragon', but I'm starting to wish I'd voted 'beholder' instead...
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Alruane
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Posted - 20 Nov 2013 :  02:33:21  Show Profile Send Alruane a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by hashimashadoo

Definitely the mind flayer. No creature in DnD inspires more fear in my players than them. They'd much rather fight a CR 8 dragon than an illithid.



I agree partly with this, Beholders frighten me but Mind Flayers....they can do some gruesome things to ones character.

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Alruane
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Posted - 20 Nov 2013 :  02:36:09  Show Profile Send Alruane a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Arcanamach

Beholder because it was a unique DnD creation, but illithid should have been a choice too.


I was just saying they can be quite terrifying, their powers can do some real damage.

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Alruane
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Posted - 20 Nov 2013 :  02:37:22  Show Profile Send Alruane a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Drustan Dwnhaedan

I voted 'dragon', but I'm starting to wish I'd voted 'beholder' instead...


I ALMOST did, I love dragons in every lore. But, Beholder got my vote.

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Barastir
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Posted - 20 Nov 2013 :  10:29:48  Show Profile  Click to see Barastir's MSN Messenger address Send Barastir a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm with the dragon. In my understanding, it is not the more exclusive creature of D&D, and your answer will depend on what you see as "iconic". Most creatures of D&D come from literature or mythology, and i don't think they are less important or significant in D&D because of that. And even if beholders are a creation of D&D, and considering all that was posted here in this thread, I think in games the dragon is the ultimate creature.

The goal of many adventurers is to be a dragonslayer, even if there are more dangerous creatures around. There are a lot of dragon or draconic variations, good, and evil, and in the last decades even PC have draconic races or traits available. Worlds like DragonLance were totally based in the human/dragon relations, and even atypical worlds like Dark Sun had their iconic dragons.

And dragons go well beyond the game, its worlds and its players, in general imaginary. Even for those who don't know about D&D, a dragon is a well known creature, and when you talk about Dungeons & Dragons, this will be the creature everyone will think about. Even for me, dragons are the most fascinating creatures, and since I don't like to make important encounters banal, I've decided to make my PCs enemies of the Cult of the Dragon and its minions...

See, I think beholders are VERY iconic, but maybe ORCS would be even more because they are the villains that are present in almost every game, for low, middle and even high level campaigns... Even if they were originally from Middle Earth, based on the goblins of mythology.

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Alruane
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Posted - 21 Nov 2013 :  09:39:18  Show Profile Send Alruane a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Barastir

I'm with the dragon. In my understanding, it is not the more exclusive creature of D&D, and your answer will depend on what you see as "iconic". Most creatures of D&D come from literature or mythology, and i don't think they are less important or significant in D&D because of that. And even if beholders are a creation of D&D, and considering all that was posted here in this thread, I think in games the dragon is the ultimate creature.

The goal of many adventurers is to be a dragonslayer, even if there are more dangerous creatures around. There are a lot of dragon or draconic variations, good, and evil, and in the last decades even PC have draconic races or traits available. Worlds like DragonLance were totally based in the human/dragon relations, and even atypical worlds like Dark Sun had their iconic dragons.

And dragons go well beyond the game, its worlds and its players, in general imaginary. Even for those who don't know about D&D, a dragon is a well known creature, and when you talk about Dungeons & Dragons, this will be the creature everyone will think about. Even for me, dragons are the most fascinating creatures, and since I don't like to make important encounters banal, I've decided to make my PCs enemies of the Cult of the Dragon and its minions...

See, I think beholders are VERY iconic, but maybe ORCS would be even more because they are the villains that are present in almost every game, for low, middle and even high level campaigns... Even if they were originally from Middle Earth, based on the goblins of mythology.



This entire post makes a valid point.

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Libelnon
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Posted - 09 Jan 2014 :  18:46:17  Show Profile Send Libelnon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think of Carrion Crawlers. Not sure why.

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genebateman
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Posted - 10 Jan 2014 :  01:56:17  Show Profile Send genebateman a Private Message  Reply with Quote
for an generic play it has to be a dragon
but for me i do too much of one of kind creatures
i have done a 2 headed fiendish lizard fold priest
a giant crochroach whose breath drains levels.
i hate the mundane. i try to send to least 3 creatures each level that is unique

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genebateman
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Posted - 10 Jan 2014 :  01:59:20  Show Profile Send genebateman a Private Message  Reply with Quote
for the lizard folk guy. the characters had to prevent a civil war.
they had the option to do nothing. if they did nothing then the fiendish lizard folk would win.
the main supply route to them would of been cut opff and they would have to fight a war with out 2 major allies
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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 06 Mar 2015 :  01:25:03  Show Profile Send Artemas Entreri a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by genebateman


a giant crochroach whose breath drains levels.




I sure hope this is a typo, otherwise that would be a terrifying monster indeed!

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Artemas Entreri
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Since no one had voted "vampire" yet I removed that choice and replaced it with "mind flayer." Can't believe I forgot about the mind flayers when I created this poll!

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GRYPHON
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Posted - 31 Jul 2015 :  18:39:51  Show Profile  Visit GRYPHON's Homepage Send GRYPHON a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Devils and demons...
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