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Azuth
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 14 Sep 2011 : 06:43:21
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While we've been having a lively chat about all sorts of marvelous things in the scroll on Ao resurrecting Eilistraee, we're drifting way off topic. So, this scroll is to discuss all things divine. Pantheon, powers, divine magic, Ao, changes to deities in editions... gods, gods, gods. I'm trying not to limit the scroll's topic overmuch because we've had some really great conversation organically around this topic. Accordingly, this scroll will just deal with any random questions or comments about the deities of any race or pantheon, theology, et cetera.
Cheers,Azuth
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Azuth, the First Magister
Lord of All Spells
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Bladewind
Master of Realmslore
Netherlands
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Posted - 14 Sep 2011 : 17:29:52
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Right! I'll post my reply over here and prune the part about Eilistraee:
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System-wise, I think the one-step alignment divine casting rule was sound. But story-wise, I think the new edition investment of divine abilities is much more interesting. Again, I like to use a middle ground: most high level priests have such a high degree of trust from and to their deities that they won't lightly divest their divine spells from them even if they are starting a heresy and begin using their god-given power for aims opposite of the alignment of their patron god.
A high priest has so much clout in the real world religious discourse that a deity can be fearful of the impact of showing disfavor to him. A good example of this was given in Power of Fearun, where the fire-genasi high priest Daelegoth Orndeir claimed Lathander was actually poised to transform back into Amaunator. He single-handedly changed a god by his faith in his own belief.
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Azuth
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 20 Sep 2011 : 21:30:53
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Originally posted by Bladewind
Right! I'll post my reply over here and prune the part about Eilistraee:
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System-wise, I think the one-step alignment divine casting rule was sound. But story-wise, I think the new edition investment of divine abilities is much more interesting. Again, I like to use a middle ground: most high level priests have such a high degree of trust from and to their deities that they won't lightly divest their divine spells from them even if they are starting a heresy and begin using their god-given power for aims opposite of the alignment of their patron god.
A high priest has so much clout in the real world religious discourse that a deity can be fearful of the impact of showing disfavor to him. A good example of this was given in Power of Fearun, where the fire-genasi high priest Daelegoth Orndeir claimed Lathander was actually poised to transform back into Amaunator. He single-handedly changed a god by his faith in his own belief.
Perhaps. The problem we have with things such as The Power of Faerūn is that we don't know if the text was written because of Wizbro mandates, or not. Since so many deific deaths occurred, I'm inclined to believe that this is actually an example of a story being written to explain why one god replaced another. As a greater power, Lathander could have been both deities and mortals wouldn't be the wiser. The reason I believe that mortals cannot have this type of control over a deity is the implications are terrible for a pantheon. What if enough evil mortals decided Istishia was going to change into an aspect of Auril? Water everywhere would freeze. While I understand your point, Bladewind, I still think the divine have the upper hand. Ao makes or breaks deities, and anything that happens to them does so with his permission.
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Alystra Illianniis
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On deities, demigod, Ao, and the Pantheons
