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Light
Learned Scribe
Australia
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 Posted - 07 Sep 2011 : 05:25:08
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Does anyone know or have any theories/estimations on when the Dead Three (Bhaal, Myrkul and Bane) gained their divinity? Was it thousands of years ago or only a hundred or two?
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sfdragon
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Posted - 07 Sep 2011 : 05:26:23
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I'd say thousands... but by te bell in the deep, I'm not sure.....
was it in the ghotr..... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 07 Sep 2011 : 05:39:20
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Estimates suggest between 267 DR and 700 DR as the time of ascension for Bane, Bhaal and Myrkul.
Though... Lands of Intrigue notes that a young noble of Clan Fyrson, in -88 DR, was charged with worshipping the dark gods Bane and Myrkul. This tends to throw the above estimates out and suggests that Bane and Myrkul ascended earlier than 267 DR and after -339 DR which marks the Fall of Netheril.
We also know that Bane, Bhaal, and Myrkul slew Borem -- one of the Seven Lost Gods -- each seizing a portion of Borem's divine essence for themselves. This was, perhaps, shortly before they entered the Castle of Bone and confronted Jergal.
Faiths & Pantheons places the Lake of Boiling Mud's, which may have been the "avatar" of Borem, possible location on Mezeketh Isle -- two miles SW of Saerloon's harbor. It's also said that the Lake may have existed, during pre-Dale Reckoning, somewhere in Jhaamdath -- possibly in the vicinity of what would become Sembia. No specific dates are offered.
Jhaamdath "falls" in -255 DR. And Chondathan, which will eventually become Saerloon, was "properly" established between the 360's and 380's DR. 'Tis likely founded some time before that... given that Chondathan migrations across the Inner Sea to the lands of what will become Sembia, occur around the -200s DR.
Given the -339 DR starting point, and the details about the Lake possibly being located in pre-Dale Reckoning Jhaamdath, that could possibly narrow the period of Bane's ascension to between Netheril's Fall in -339 DR and the Fall of Jhaamdath in -255 DR.
Additionally, Eric Boyd offers this little tidbit...
"Implicit in your assumption is that the Lake of Burning Blood is a "real lake". I'd suggest that maybe it's a moveable lake (in other words, the lake is the "avatar" of Borem). Alternatively, it could be the lake is created by opening a blood-spewing portal. When the portal closes/moves, the lake drains away.
--Eric" |
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Light
Learned Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 07 Sep 2011 : 11:14:31
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| Thank you Sage! That is exactly the kind of well-reasoned theory I was hoping for. |
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 09 Sep 2011 : 05:34:24
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See page 46 of the Grand History of the Realms. Bane, Bhaal and Myrkul slew Borem in the Year of Boiling Moats, which was -359 DR.
This was part of their epic quest necessary for ascending to divinity. They did not ascend immediately after slaying Borem, and in fact traveled to Cormanthor shortly after. Their quest could possibly have gone on for some years more, but it seems likely they ascended prior to the fall of Netheril. Although, in any case it could not have been later than -88 DR per the Lands of Intrigue reference that Sage already mentioned, as the trio were all well established as dark gods by that date.
It is possible that Jergal wanted to relinquish the dusk portfolio before the Fall of Netheril so that he could avoid his impending death. Netheril's fall also marks the passing of Amaunator, after which the god of Dusk would be ascendant according to Eric Boyd's tripartite sun theory. From that point, Jergal's days would be numbered. One theory is that Jergal passed his portfolio on to Myrkul so that Myrkul would die in his stead.
After Amaunator's recent reemergence in the current Realms, Jergal should be free to reclaim the Dusk portfolio from Kelemvor, if he still wants it.
Page 17 of the supplement to Dungeon #130 (issued as a free on-line pdf from Paizo) had conversion notes for the Age of Worms campaign for the Forgotten Realms, and contained some very interesting apocryphal lore about Jergal that embodied Eric Boyd's final thoughts about Jergal including an alternate theory regarding Jergal's motivations. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 09 Sep 2011 : 05:48:00
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| I'm unable to find this free pdf page, can you recall any specific keywords or provide a link please, Gray? More lore about Jergal is always welcome. |
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Thieran
Learned Scribe
Germany
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 09 Sep 2011 : 10:34:29
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Thelonius
Senior Scribe
Spain
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Posted - 09 Sep 2011 : 12:03:55
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| I always found the history of the Dead Three one of the msot intriguing in the Realms though, sadly, I just know of them for the tome you find in Baldur's Gate. Where could I find some more info of them, specially the one related to Jergal and Myrkul? |
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Light
Learned Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 09 Sep 2011 : 12:52:20
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| Would anyone aside from me be interested in a book or trilogy about the three? Obviously we would know how it would end but I think that it has a lot of potential. Then again any story can be good as long as it is told right. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 09 Sep 2011 : 14:28:03
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Originally posted by Light
Would anyone aside from me be interested in a book or trilogy about the three? Obviously we would know how it would end but I think that it has a lot of potential. Then again any story can be good as long as it is told right.
Of course! Though i am not sure what kind of plot line would work here. |
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Light
Learned Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 09 Sep 2011 : 15:51:56
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Originally posted by Light
Would anyone aside from me be interested in a book or trilogy about the three? Obviously we would know how it would end but I think that it has a lot of potential. Then again any story can be good as long as it is told right.
Of course! Though i am not sure what kind of plot line would work here.
Well I was meaning a story about their rise to divinity so I guess that would be the plot line...or am I misinterpreting your meaning here? It could detail their struggles as mortals and delve into their background, fears, wants and regrets that they had as mortals. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 09 Sep 2011 : 16:18:10
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Originally posted by Light
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Originally posted by entreri3478
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Originally posted by Light
Would anyone aside from me be interested in a book or trilogy about the three? Obviously we would know how it would end but I think that it has a lot of potential. Then again any story can be good as long as it is told right.
Of course! Though i am not sure what kind of plot line would work here.
Well I was meaning a story about their rise to divinity so I guess that would be the plot line...or am I misinterpreting your meaning here? It could detail their struggles as mortals and delve into their background, fears, wants and regrets that they had as mortals.
Given the right author, a rise to divinity story would be great. |
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