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Dennis
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Why don't D&D Necromancers need to worry about keeping their undead pets in prime health?


Magic---that has to be reinforced every now and then---pretty much does all the trick.

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There are cheap substances that keep the undead servants like new
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Like what exactly? Ground roaches?

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Formaldahyde? Varnish? Concrete?

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Some kind of salt, don't remember the details, maybe from the quasi-plane of salt
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Male necromancers are usually creeps. I'd vote for Lashyr Maerdrym, white necromancer-ess of the Numos Order.

Keraptis if he was a necromancer, if not then Asphyxious the Iron Lich.

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Male necromancers are usually creeps. I'd vote for Lashyr Maerdrym, white necromancer-ess of the Numos Order.


Most female necromancers that I know of are either good-aligned or neutral. So they're mostly not depicted as walking bones (lich), but rather as sexy (and at times in an eccentric way) magic-users.

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White necromancy has too few practitioners, You know any other? Kazarabet from the Isle of Sahu is evil. Aumvor's cousin is evil.

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Male necromancers are usually creeps. I'd vote for Lashyr Maerdrym, white necromancer-ess of the Numos Order.

Keraptis if he was a necromancer, if not then Asphyxious the Iron Lich.



Oooh, good choice with Asphyxious!

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I chose Velsharoon (yeah, I know, easy way out). But I would also argue that a Black Robe of High Sorcery (Dragonlance ) is by default a necromancer (they are the only wizards in Ansalon that can use necromancy, AFAIK, without being squished by the Orders, anyways).

Thus, Dalamar, Raistlin, and so on, would have been eligible to appear in the poll - in my opinion, of course. While Dragonlance itself has become a disappointment for me, Raistlin is, bar none, still my favorite slinger of death magic.

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quote:
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But I would also argue that a Black Robe of High Sorcery (Dragonlance ) is by default a necromancer (they are the only wizards in Ansalon that can use necromancy, AFAIK, without being squished by the Orders, anyways).
I wouldn't say they're necromancers by default. While Black Robes can easily take up the practice of necromancy, that doesn't mean all of them do. It's still a personal choice, like specialising in divination or evocation for example.

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Male necromancers are usually creeps. I'd vote for Lashyr Maerdrym, white necromancer-ess of the Numos Order.

Keraptis if he was a necromancer, if not then Asphyxious the Iron Lich.



Oooh, good choice with Asphyxious!

Agreed.

I'd also offer up the majority of "necrophiles" exampled in 2e's Complete Book of Necromancers, as I've used them all, in varying degrees, throughout many different campaigns.

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Most Necromancers on Krynn are Black Robes, although many are not. The badly grammared wiki page Mages of High Sorcery states
  • "as apprentices, mages may choose to specialize in any [one school] ... but it's not mandatory"

  • "Newly accepted Wizards of High Sorcery may benefit from (further) specializing in one of the schools favored by his chosen order."

  • "Specialized wizards tend to enter the order whose favored school they have already chose, but they are not forced to - though moral problems could arise from a necromancer's joining the White Robes"


  • Brown-Robes (Renegades) and Gray Robes (Knights of Takhasis/Neraka, Order of the Thorn) are not bound by the laws of the Conclave; they may choose to specialize in any one school, it is apparently common for Nuitari-worshipping Gray Robes to be Necromancers.

    I must say the idea of a double-specialized Black Robe (say, a Conjurer/Necromancer or Invoker/Necromancer) could turn out quite nasty, at least within the 2E ruleset.

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    Posted - 01 Sep 2011 :  03:05:44  Show Profile  Visit Old Man Harpell's Homepage Send Old Man Harpell a Private Message  Reply with Quote
    quote:
    Originally posted by Ayrik

    Most Necromancers on Krynn are Black Robes, although many are not. The badly grammared wiki page Mages of High Sorcery states
  • "as apprentices, mages may choose to specialize in any [one school] ... but it's not mandatory"

  • "Newly accepted Wizards of High Sorcery may benefit from (further) specializing in one of the schools favored by his chosen order."

  • "Specialized wizards tend to enter the order whose favored school they have already chose, but they are not forced to - though moral problems could arise from a necromancer's joining the White Robes"


  • Brown-Robes (Renegades) and Gray Robes (Knights of Takhasis/Neraka, Order of the Thorn) are not bound by the laws of the Conclave; they may choose to specialize in any one school, it is apparently common for Nuitari-worshipping Gray Robes to be Necromancers.

    I must say the idea of a double-specialized Black Robe (say, a Conjurer/Necromancer or Invoker/Necromancer) could turn out quite nasty, at least within the 2E ruleset.


    Goodness...that shows you how long it's been since I went back and took a walk through Ansalon. I admit I have not collected Dragonlance material with the fervor I have gathered All Things Realms to me (the Realms is the only 4th Edition campaign world material that I have gone out of my way to obtain, for example).

    I will have to go back and peruse that. Thank you for the updates, gentlemen, I genuinely was not aware of some of those facts.
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    Ah, the Necromancer's Handbook. One of my favorites. I've read it cover to cover many times, yet, strangely never run the Isle of Sahu. A pity. In my opinion twas one of the best books from 2e, even though it's not a Realms handbook. Anybody ever ''Realmsify'' it? I'd be interested in hearing the details.

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    I can't believe Larloch got no love on this thread.
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    I can't believe Larloch got no love on this thread.



    Where is it stated that he's a necromancer?

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    It is not stated in the sources I've read. It is stated that Larloch is a kind of super-mage, having achieved mastery in every area of magic which surpasses that of normal specialists, he studies all forms of magic and has crafted powerful artifacts which involve almost every one of the magical schools (including those which oppose Necromancy). He is an uberlich who commands an army of liches and he is noted for writing Kirasect's Necrofolio (whatever that is); this suggests that he is certainly very adept at Necromancy, yet it doesn't actually require he be a Necromancer. I would think that if Larloch actually does possess any form of specialization (and attendant restrictions) then it would be shaped by his origins as a Netherese arcanist; ie, a modernized version of a Variator, Inventor, or Mentalist.

    Having said that, Szass Tam's stats (at least in 1E and some 2E) described him as being a nonspecialist mage with a sort of "free" specialization in Necromancy because he's an undead lichy bastard "who understands undead as no living spellcaster can"; an annoying detail which always irritated me since it was established that Szass was Zulkir of Necromancy long before he actually liched himself up. If this quirky logic applied to all masterfully old liches then Larloch could indeed claim necromancy among his specialties, it could possibly even be said that Vampshoon gains a free Necromancer specialty as well.

    FR Wiki links to some famous Necromancers who haven't yet been mentioned in this thread.

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    quote:
    Originally posted by The Sage

    quote:
    Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

    quote:
    Originally posted by Marc

    Male necromancers are usually creeps. I'd vote for Lashyr Maerdrym, white necromancer-ess of the Numos Order.

    Keraptis if he was a necromancer, if not then Asphyxious the Iron Lich.



    Oooh, good choice with Asphyxious!

    Agreed.

    I'd also offer up the majority of "necrophiles" exampled in 2e's Complete Book of Necromancers, as I've used them all, in varying degrees, throughout many different campaigns.



    I'm now thinking Lord Exhumator Scaverous might be a better necro than Asphyxious. Iron Lich Wheezy prolly has the edge in raw arcane firepower, but after re-reading his description just now, I think Scaverous prolly has more knowledge of necromancy than Wheezy does.

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    quote:
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    quote:
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    quote:
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    quote:
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    Male necromancers are usually creeps. I'd vote for Lashyr Maerdrym, white necromancer-ess of the Numos Order.

    Keraptis if he was a necromancer, if not then Asphyxious the Iron Lich.



    Oooh, good choice with Asphyxious!

    Agreed.

    I'd also offer up the majority of "necrophiles" exampled in 2e's Complete Book of Necromancers, as I've used them all, in varying degrees, throughout many different campaigns.



    I'm now thinking Lord Exhumator Scaverous might be a better necro than Asphyxious. Iron Lich Wheezy prolly has the edge in raw arcane firepower, but after re-reading his description just now, I think Scaverous prolly has more knowledge of necromancy than Wheezy does.

    Mortenebra is a curious choice as well.

    I know she's female, and technically outside the scope of this scroll, but it's said that Mortenebra is a paragon of the necrotech-craft, and that's always ensured that she would rate highly on my list of favourite necromancer-types.

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    I didn't include Larloch because he's not a Necromancer per se. Larloch specializes in ALL types of magic.

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    quote:
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    quote:
    Originally posted by The Sage

    quote:
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    quote:
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    Male necromancers are usually creeps. I'd vote for Lashyr Maerdrym, white necromancer-ess of the Numos Order.

    Keraptis if he was a necromancer, if not then Asphyxious the Iron Lich.



    Oooh, good choice with Asphyxious!

    Agreed.

    I'd also offer up the majority of "necrophiles" exampled in 2e's Complete Book of Necromancers, as I've used them all, in varying degrees, throughout many different campaigns.



    I'm now thinking Lord Exhumator Scaverous might be a better necro than Asphyxious. Iron Lich Wheezy prolly has the edge in raw arcane firepower, but after re-reading his description just now, I think Scaverous prolly has more knowledge of necromancy than Wheezy does.



    It is his name that wins :), funnier than Mydianchlarus the ultroloth. That reminds me Inthracis from Resurrection is one of the necromancers.

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    I went for "other". Strahd von Zarovich of Ravenloft.

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    Same thing as Larloch: people assume powerful undead characters are all Necromancers.

    But is Strahd even a mage?

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    quote:
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    Same thing as Larloch: people assume powerful undead characters are all Necromancers.

    But is Strahd even a mage?



    I think at the end of the 2nd edition Strahd was a 16th level Necromancer. But his whole presence in Ravenloft was based on his vampirism, not the necromancy side.

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