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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 28 Apr 2013 :  12:34:32  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I've played games with and without quest trackers.... And I never thought the quest trackers made it ridiculously easy. Games without quest trackers I often found very frustrating, because some of the quest descriptions would be so ridiculously vague that you'd spend 30 minutes or more just trying to figure out where the right area was.

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Diffan
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Posted - 28 Apr 2013 :  13:38:02  Show Profile Send Diffan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I just saw previews for the Great Weapon Fighter and Rogue..........looks like a lot of fun. I'm not one for computer game Betas so anyone know when the game will actually launch?

4E Realms = Great Taste, Less Filling.

"If WotC were to put out a box of free money, people would still complain how it was folded."
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Caladan Brood
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Posted - 28 Apr 2013 :  18:06:13  Show Profile  Visit Caladan Brood's Homepage Send Caladan Brood a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The game launches on Tuesday I believe. I got into a PvP zone which was good fun, as well as a dungeon with a party. Also nice but no talking or enjoying the experience, just rushkill. Didn't really mind but how will people realize Aghelm Shadowheart is a mean piece of work? :p
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Caladan Brood
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Posted - 28 Apr 2013 :  18:08:12  Show Profile  Visit Caladan Brood's Homepage Send Caladan Brood a Private Message  Reply with Quote
By the way, setting up a guild requires a group to be, well, grouped. From there it's just clicking a few buttons.
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doctorbadwolf
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Posted - 28 Apr 2013 :  20:16:40  Show Profile  Send doctorbadwolf an AOL message Send doctorbadwolf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think the main thing to remember is that this is a video game that's made to be a fun video game, rather than a video game that was made to model DnD. It's set in a DnD setting, with roughly translated 4e/4e inspired mechanics (ish), but it's main goal is to appeal to fans that are more worried about the game being fun on it's own merits, rather than on how well it models DnD and FR.

That may just mean it's not for some fans.

Now, since everyone seems willing to give a good group try anyway, which is awesome btw, I recommend focusing on a good guild dynamic and The Foundry.

I guarantee you there will be some awesome fan made stuff in that thing.
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Brin
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Posted - 04 May 2013 :  22:36:53  Show Profile  Visit Brin's Homepage  Send Brin an AOL message  Click to see Brin's MSN Messenger address Send Brin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I've got a small guild setup on Mindflayer named 'The Flames of Ardor' if anyone wanted to join in on it. It's loosely based off of Brin a mortal who became a deity in my campaigns. We've got a mumble server as well for anyone who wants to chat. Honestly I am surprised you guys didn't make a Candlekeep guild yet.

Also on a side note, really early on in the game the Many Arrows orc tribe/nation attacks Neverwinter. Did this seem out of place or was there some hint that this was coming? Last time I read about them they were having some difficulties holding the nation together but it looked like it was going to work in the long-term.
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Kerrigan
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Posted - 10 May 2013 :  09:32:10  Show Profile  Visit Kerrigan's Homepage Send Kerrigan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Im not a big fan of Mmorpgs, but I'm enjoying the Beta. Plus the Foubdry gibes us possibilities to design own FR-based quests!
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Yoss
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Posted - 14 May 2013 :  08:45:07  Show Profile Send Yoss a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm kinda digging it. Rolled a trickster rogue because I tend to gravitate toward stealth classes (while my buddy rolled a cleric, cos that's his thing). The Foundry system seems interesting to me, player-created content is not something I get out of TSW, SWTOR, (or WoW when I played it. I quit a while ago, well before those ridiculous pandas). Some of the combat mechanics are definitely taking some getting used to, the targeting system feels rather bizarre to me. And I'm not used to having so few attacks/buttons to press. But it's different than what I've been playing lately, and different is good. Only played for a couple hours at this point, so I haven't exactly done much past get the rogue to 10 and futz around on a control mage for a handful of levels. I'm a big fan of crafting, which I haven't had much a chance to look into yet, so we'll see...


Caladan Brood, you sound like the group of people on the SWTOR forums who basically wanted Kotor III. No offense intended, if that aspect is your thing, then that's perfectly fine. A lot of the gripes you seem to have equate to aspects about it that are not rpg enough. It's an mmo, the thing about that is, these days the rpg aspect of mmorpg has either been turned into a synonym for single-player, or been defined as a game where npcs give you quests, you go out and do them, there's little lore tidbits along the way, but they are not instrumental to the story. It's all about leveling up, getting to the "endgame content," and the social aspect/group content. You'll always find people RPing, and you do have the option of stopping to listen to what every npc has to say, reading every single quest/lore/dialog option, but this really just seems to follow the general current-day online fantasy/sci-fi game model, where that stuff is not necessary. Am I saying this is a good thing? No. I have a whole essay-long set of gripes about the WoWTOR (that would be me mocking how much Star Wars the Old Republic has copied World of Warcraft...get it? Wowtor?) "Endgame is the only game" mentality--and every time The Secret World adds new content that's playable for characters that aren't min-maxed stat-wise and wearing the best high-end raid gear, I applaud them for it. On the other hand, I'm okay with it personally, because if I want to sit down and spend 2 hours finding quest items that aren't marked, solving mathematical puzzles and decrypting clues, I'll go play something by myself that focuses on that style of play (Or do an investigation mission in TSW that I've never done before, because some of those are fairly difficult). But if I want to run around with some friends, I generally want to go kill things, pvp, or sort out pve mechanics on group content. That being said, I'll probably read through and pay attention to what lore stuff there is this time around, because this is 1) a setting I am more familiar with 2) and a fan of.

The idiots in general chat (of which there are aplenty here--the servers are down for maintenance at the moment, and in the last 10 minutes prior to them going down, I saw a good dozen or so "when do the servers go down," or "how long are they going down for" despite the fact that someone had literally just typed the answer 30 seconds before them. Now, I naturally assume that 75% of the stupidity I see in general chats is trolling, but the bottom line is that human beings are mostly really, really dumb, and there does seem to be a trend for online games to cater to that lowest common denominator--particularly for low level content) can be turned off in the settings. Remember this when they make you feel like sticking you fist through the monitor and throttling them. I know it keeps my blood pressure in check to do so sometimes.
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Caladan Brood
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Posted - 14 May 2013 :  10:11:23  Show Profile  Visit Caladan Brood's Homepage Send Caladan Brood a Private Message  Reply with Quote
No offense taken, Yoss. As described elsethread I have kind of "fallen into" the game anyway because it's so easy to play casually. My gripes are indeed much about what I wanted versus what I got, but there's also a lot to dislike about this game regardless of expectations (seriously I'm getting herpes just from seeing "control wizards" running around with those floating orbs at their shoulders, where are the good old fashioned spellbook-carrying wizards of yore?).
The best REALMS games will continue to be played around tables with friends obviously, where no limitations exist.
That being said, there HAVE been a number of very gratifying, enjoyable, mind-consuming REALMS games for the computer (Baldur's Gate I & II, Icewind Dale I & II, Neverwinter Nights I & II, the gold box games I assume) and I was hoping that Neverwinter would kind of carry on that flavor while being a MMO at the same time.
Still, as I've also mentioned elsethread, there are some nice dungeon designs and all that keeping me entertained, while the skull-bashing is extremely repetitive once I figured out a nice combination of powers. With an added Priest companion I can tackle most everything the game throws at me without going down, so it feels like one long rush of combat and level gaining, and less an adventure/story/experience to remember.
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Yoss
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Posted - 18 May 2013 :  11:57:35  Show Profile Send Yoss a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Having played a couple more days now, 1) yeah, leveling is really quick-going. It's totally designed in typical mmo-fashion under the assumption "people hate to level," which I think is ridiculous, having never subscribed to the "endgame is the only game" mentality.

. 2). Quite possibly the worst pvp system I've ever encountered. People whine about balance in games that are far more balanced, yet here it seems almost worthless to even queue up if you're not a control wizard. Everyone seems to know this, since Ive seen the odd rogue or cleric in matches (aside from me being that odd rogue), but all the dominations see, to be...well, dominated...by 80% wizards.

3) I'll probably still buy some zen and unlock enough character slots to make one of each class. 4). I still don't understand what a skirmish is, but I like the timed events for those, dungeons, and the like because getting extra loots when you do things at a particular time is exactly the kind of time budgeting that gives me some incentive to break up the monotony of any one kind of leveling (I.e. questing for a couple hours of playing time vs running pvp match after pvp match).

4) The currency system is somewhat on crack between in game and real money, ad vs gold, seals, glory, etc. too many different currencies.

5) I almost wish I had an Xbox controller for the movement, because the basic controls/ targeting system seems more geared toward a console than mouse and keyboard, in a way in which I'm not entirely a fan. Hence the reason I do all my gaming on a pc. I suck st analog sticks.

6). Foundry is cool. I've done a couple well-thought out quests that were fun, a couple bad ones, and a couple in German where I wasn't 100% sure exactly what was going on, haven't made anything myself yet, though.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 18 May 2013 :  15:06:55  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Yoss

Having played a couple more days now, 1) yeah, leveling is really quick-going. It's totally designed in typical mmo-fashion under the assumption "people hate to level," which I think is ridiculous, having never subscribed to the "endgame is the only game" mentality.


I hated to level, but I wasn't all about the endgame, either. I just liked being able to get to some of the higher-level areas -- in LotRO, in particular, some of the higher-level areas were a lot more fun than others. I loved the Eregion area, for example, but Lothlorien (two areas past that; one of the areas was Moria) was kind of boring (except for the fact that I was cleaning up on the extremely rare mithril flakes, there). I took two characters thru Moria -- with the first, I hated it. With the second, I had fun. When I had a third character ready for Moria, I stopped her and started a new one -- character 3 was an aggro magnet, and I didn't want to do Moria and get attacked every third step, with her.

Past Lothlorien was the Mirkwood, and I hated that. The area past that was fun, though...

So I get that leveling sucks (and some MMOs are worse than others, for that), but you can dislike leveling without being all about endgame.

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Yoss
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Posted - 19 May 2013 :  05:58:49  Show Profile Send Yoss a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Fair enough. Every game I've ever played, there have definitely been draggy levels. Quest areas that are absolutely horrible, where gettin from, say, 37 to 40 is pretty miserable. Right now, I have an infinite amount of hatred for questing on Hoth in swtor. Giant, barren ice desert makes for a good lore depiction, however boring as hell from a playing standpoint.
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Caladan Brood
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Posted - 19 May 2013 :  08:20:33  Show Profile  Visit Caladan Brood's Homepage Send Caladan Brood a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Aw now I got all nostalgic about LOTRo which I played from release until it became F2P. So many sweet places to visit, small enjoyable scenic areas of beauty as well as grander, epic locations. I loved playing Morvingien Laurelissuin, guild officer who enjoyed gathering in pne of the taverns for Tolkien Quiz (with ingame prizes). But yeah some areas felt like a chore particularly the region around Amon Sul. Npw I feel like starting a new character just to revisit. If only MMOs could offer extra hours in the day as a feature..
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 19 May 2013 :  14:43:24  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Caladan Brood

Aw now I got all nostalgic about LOTRo which I played from release until it became F2P. So many sweet places to visit, small enjoyable scenic areas of beauty as well as grander, epic locations. I loved playing Morvingien Laurelissuin, guild officer who enjoyed gathering in pne of the taverns for Tolkien Quiz (with ingame prizes). But yeah some areas felt like a chore particularly the region around Amon Sul. Npw I feel like starting a new character just to revisit. If only MMOs could offer extra hours in the day as a feature..



Oh, I know! I'd love to keep playing... Especially since my second hunter rocks so much harder than the first. The first one was the first LotRO character I leveled, so it was rough going with her... With the second one, I know what I'm doing. And the first one had to rely on drops for all her goodies -- with the second one, I've got Supreme Master crafters, Kindred with their guilds, to give him pots, armor, tools, and melee weapons, and I was working a woodcrafter to give him good bows. There was a huge difference between how well the two played -- areas that the first hunter had problems with, the second hunter breezed through.

With the first hunter, I'd actually wondered why people liked hunters so much and why they thought hunters were more capable than mine was!

The only thing I didn't really like with LotRO was that there were no character classes that there were good but not great at both melee and range. The hunter had a few melee options, but was all about range. And the rogue and guardian were good up close, but only had a single option for range. I wanted a class equally comfortable with both... Oddly, the runekeeper was a class that was good at any range, though ranged combat was better.

I've been fiddling with making a group of NPC adventurers in the Realms, all based on my LotRO toons (and one of my wife's toons). I'll have to rename the runekeeper and tweak a couple of the others to better fit D&D classes, but I'm liking the idea.

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doctorbadwolf
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Posted - 19 May 2013 :  21:02:52  Show Profile  Send doctorbadwolf an AOL message Send doctorbadwolf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, Lotro has a mixed range class now, if you're willing to spend 10 bucks (or whatever it is, I don't remember now). The Warden is a really fun class to play.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 20 May 2013 :  05:38:07  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by doctorbadwolf

Well, Lotro has a mixed range class now, if you're willing to spend 10 bucks (or whatever it is, I don't remember now). The Warden is a really fun class to play.



From what I heard about the Warden, though, they are all about combos, and you can be really screwed if you get a combo wrong or pick the wrong one at the wrong time.

I just want a simple sword-swinger who is also handy with the bow. I don't want him to be tanking, and I don't want him to be artillery with some self-defense, I want something in the middle.

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Kuje
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Posted - 24 Jun 2013 :  03:24:16  Show Profile  Send Kuje an AOL message  Click to see Kuje's MSN Messenger address  Send Kuje a Yahoo! Message Send Kuje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I was tired of WoW this week so I decided to check this out. My cleric is kind of fun, it's the first character I made so far. The fighting/target system is kind of weird, I agree. I've also noticed that it's killing my wrist, trying to move, hit the abilities/healing, etc, since some of the boss mobs really pound the living holy hells out of you. The leveling has been fast though but I'm still kinda bummed with the setting since it's taking place in the Realms that I don't follow any longer. :)

For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird

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The Sage
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quote:
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I was tired of WoW this week so I decided to check this out. My cleric is kind of fun, it's the first character I made so far.
Are you aligned to a particular deity?

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Kuje
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Posted - 24 Jun 2013 :  17:44:48  Show Profile  Send Kuje an AOL message  Click to see Kuje's MSN Messenger address  Send Kuje a Yahoo! Message Send Kuje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It seems every character has to choose a deity during char creation, so my cleric is Tymora's. :) But after posting that, I went and made me a Selunite wizard, which I'm liking a lot more.

That reminds me, has anyone from Candlekeep made some foundry adventures? Or has the interest for this game ended?

quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Kuje

I was tired of WoW this week so I decided to check this out. My cleric is kind of fun, it's the first character I made so far.
Are you aligned to a particular deity?


For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird

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Bionic Man
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Happy to hear the love for lotro here. That game is my favorite mmo by far.

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Delwa
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Foundry quests are on my to-do list, but getting to it might rival our dear Sage. :-) I just made level 60 awhile back, and I've been thoroughly enjoying myself. The quests have been fun, and it's the Realms, not Eberron, so I've been joyously swimming in little details hidden all over the place. There are even a few nods to Candlekeep in-game. There's a quest to find a book from Candlekeep in the Whispering Caverns (level 50-something) and I seem to recall a few books you can find that make a few references here and there.
I'm playing a Trickster Rogue on a free account, haven't spent a dime of real money since I started in open beta, and I don't feel like I'm missing out. (Though if anyone wants to give Delwa on Beholder a key to a Nightmare lock box, he won't turn it down.)
The powers and feats are easy to get lost in selecting, but I've never played 4E and seem to have done well in my selections. Just read carefully before you choose. My only big complaint is the lag in The main part of the City, Protector's Enclave, but even that has been getting better.

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Aulduron
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I started playing about 10 days ago, and I'm about 53rd level (wizard). 60 is the cap? I'd rather play a 1 person version, but so far I've only had to group up a few times. My biggest complaint is that I've had to re-install it three times so far, because I couldn't log in.

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Sorgrim
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Made my dwarven control wizard a while ago, related distantly to my NWN character.

Linear, typical, bombastic and themeparky, the storyline isn't anything to write home for, but the Foundry, like the others here, interests me the most. I'm sure we'll be seeing people remake some classic DND RPG locations, hopefully some original content that really encompass their own vision and make locations we've never seen before come to life.


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Kuje
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The new "expansion" for this came out this week. It gives the option of playing as a sun elf or a dark elf, plus some other features. Just wanted to let people know if they still play this, I got bored of it within two weeks so haven't really played since I got to 60 a few days after my last post about the game.

For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird

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Delwa
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I'm still playing on Beholder. I've really enjoyed the new Campaign System. It gives me something to do solo at level 60 other than Foundry and Gauntlgrym. I do mainly play for the story and lore, and I'm on at random times due to work schedule, but feel free to look me up @delwacandlekeep.

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