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Jelennet
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Posted - 09 Apr 2011 :  11:18:38  Show Profile Send Jelennet a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Poll Question:
What kind of main character (like Drizzt or Elminster or Liriel) would you like to see in the new FR stories? And why?

Choices:

Female (but I''m female)
Male (but I''m female)
Female or male (but I''m female)
Hermaphrodite (but I''m female)
Female (but I''''m male)
Male (but I''m male)
Female or male (but I''m male)
Hermaphrodite (but I''m male)

(Anonymous Vote)

Edited by - Jelennet on 09 Apr 2011 11:19:43

GRYPHON
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Posted - 09 Apr 2011 :  14:51:13  Show Profile Send GRYPHON a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Doesn't really matter, as long as the story is good...
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Dennis
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As Gryphon noted. And as long as they don't make stupid decisions.

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Kajehase
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Couldn't give a toss about the main character's gender as long as the book is enjoyable.

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Lord Karsus
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-I can tell you one kind of character archetype I got sick of: The "gritty heroine with her hair-tied-back". There was a span of like three books I read in a row, where this kind of archetype was the main character in the book. Nothing wrong with women protagonists, or women protagonists who adventure, but, so often, there isn't enough character development or characterization outside of "she's gritty, rough-and-tumble, and do-it-herself" to differentiate her from some other female character with the same types of attitudes.

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Which ever character-type succeeds in keeping me entertained by the story I'm reading.

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I agree with the general concensus. The character's concept and backstory are what's important, not their gender, skintone, ethnicity, etc. Those other elements are simply references, unless it's somehow tied to their backstory (such as the fact that Liriel was an outcast from drow society).

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The Red Walker
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I like one of each

Like:
Danilo and Arilyn

Elminster and Storm


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I remember something...

When I was doing my thesis back in college, I read this work of a [local] professor about the reader's choice of heroes/books. He said that while characterization and plot are what usually hook a reader, often, a reader's choice is unconsciously influenced by the gender of the hero: a male reader favors heroes, and a female reader favors heroines. The subjects of his studies cover students and professionals from 10 cities all over the country. Maybe he's right, as the same case applies to me. But still, that's a Philippine scenario. I don't know if the same holds true to others.

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Female or male (but I''m male)...If the story is good I do not mind about the gender!!!

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Anything is allright.

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Jelennet
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Just curious... Question to people who anwsered "hermaphrodite". Why do you want to read about them?
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quote:
Originally posted by Jelennet

Just curious... Question to people who anwsered "hermaphrodite". Why do you want to read about them?



Because they would be a first (I think) in realms novels..??

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Dennis
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I wouldn't have a problem with hermaphrodite characters, so long as their sex is not the focus of the story.

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GMWestermeyer
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quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


I wouldn't have a problem with hermaphrodite characters, so long as their sex is not the focus of the story.



A hermaphrodite is the main villain in one of the Thieves' World short stories, and it is a major plot point. very well handled.

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Kentinal
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quote:
Originally posted by Jelennet

Just curious... Question to people who anwsered "hermaphrodite". Why do you want to read about them?



Well Corellon is or at least appears as androgynous often. Thus is not a hard reach for some to select hermaphrodite.

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Alystra Illianniis
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Um, there's a big difference between being androgynous and hermaphroditic. One simply APPEARS asexual (but is usually one or the other)- the other is actually BOTH. Personally, I'd have trouble connecting with either, unless there was a clear mind-set of the character. Mental direction is a major influence on how I view characters of either gneder. If it's an androgynous character (Lestat comes to mind, even thought he's a male) I'd at least like him/her to THINK like one or the other, even if they don't look obviously masculine or femininte.

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Alystra,
Yes I understand the difference and also canon can change without explanation.

Some Lore indicates that Corellon is both mother and father of the Elven race.

Take what you desire from Lore.

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quote:
Originally posted by GMWestermeyer

quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


I wouldn't have a problem with hermaphrodite characters, so long as their sex is not the focus of the story.



A hermaphrodite is the main villain in one of the Thieves' World short stories, and it is a major plot point. very well handled.



Storm Constantine's Wraeththu series has strong hermaphroditic theme. And it's tackled excellently. It's one of the most provocative fantasy classics.

The Realms is another matter, though. At least for me. I don't see the need for a Realms novel to focus on the character's sex alone.

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Alystra Illianniis
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quote:
Originally posted by Kentinal

Alystra,
Yes I understand the difference and also canon can change without explanation.

Some Lore indicates that Corellon is both mother and father of the Elven race.

Take what you desire from Lore.




Sorry, that was not aimed at you personally, Kentinal- I find that sometimes folks do not understand the distinction between similar but separate ideas or terms, so I like to be clear. Anywho, Corellon is the father according to most lore; Selune is usually recognized as the mother- his blood, her tears.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 26 Apr 2011 :  05:44:48  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis

quote:
Originally posted by Kentinal

Alystra,
Yes I understand the difference and also canon can change without explanation.

Some Lore indicates that Corellon is both mother and father of the Elven race.

Take what you desire from Lore.




Sorry, that was not aimed at you personally, Kentinal- I find that sometimes folks do not understand the distinction between similar but separate ideas or terms, so I like to be clear. Anywho, Corellon is the father according to most lore; Selune is usually recognized as the mother- his blood, her tears.



I believe you mean Sehanine, not Selūne.

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