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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 07 Jun 2011 :  17:24:24  Show Profile  Send Lord Karsus an AOL message Send Lord Karsus a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis

I'd certainly agree to Azuth. He's the only one of those on the list who actually SUCCEEDED at becoming a god- and not because of one spell, but because he was deemed WORTHY of it after having cast several spells that caught the Lady's notice! I'd say that beats out Karsus's one and only ATTEPMT to achieve divinity hands down. Where Karsus tried and failed to achieve it( I mean, he died, after all) Azuth, through his own ingenuity and skill, was ADMITTED into the pantheon. Tells me he's the better man for the job.



-Karsus' Avatar did not fail. It worked as planned, and he became deity of magic concurrently with Mystryl. When she killed herself, Karsus also perished, since the two were linked. Had she not done something stupid like that, however, Karsus would not have died, and would have remained deity of magic for the duration of the spell. And then, being deity of magic, presumably, he could have altered the dweomer to make it more permanent.


quote:
Originally posted by Dennis

Disagree. He couldn't hack being a god, regardless of whose portfolio he stole.



-This is untrue. Mystryl killed herself to kill Karsus because she did not believe he could handle the constant rigors of repairing the Weave and such that the deity of magic had to do. Whether or not he could of is up for debate. We certainly have no reason to think he wouldn't have been able to. That said, that was her main worry, and her primary motivation for acting- she didn't want the Weave to get torn to metaphorical shreds. A deity who does not have so much "housekeeping" in his/her/its job duties- Targus, the Netherese deity of battle and war, for example- he has no "excuses" for killing himself, to kill Karsus, on the concept that if he, himself, didn't have control over war and battle, war and battle would cease to exist, and life on Faerūn would be radically altered.

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quote:
Originally posted by Lord Karsus

-This is untrue. Mystryl killed herself to kill Karsus because she did not believe he could handle the constant rigors of repairing the Weave and such that the deity of magic had to do. Whether or not he could of is up for debate. We certainly have no reason to think he wouldn't have been able to. That said, that was her main worry, and her primary motivation for acting- she didn't want the Weave to get torn to metaphorical shreds. A deity who does not have so much "housekeeping" in his/her/its job duties- Targus, the Netherese deity of battle and war, for example- he has no "excuses" for killing himself, to kill Karsus, on the concept that if he, himself, didn't have control over war and battle, war and battle would cease to exist, and life on Faerūn would be radically altered.



Nope. It's canon that he could not do it. That was why Mystryl had to act to save the Weave. And Karsus himself knew this, after he cast the spell.

This is all spelled out in his entry in Powers & Pantheons.

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-And, we know from Magic of Faerūn that the churches of Azuth and Mystra are the primary prulmugators of the story of Karsus: of course they're going to spin things as positivley as possible.

-As a mortal, Karsus' mind wouldn't be able to comprehend his duties, sure. His mind was in the process of "downloading" Mystryl's knowledge and expertise. With that, he'd be able to "control" and maintain the Weave- just like Midnight-Mystra has, with the mortal mind of Midnight fully bonding with the essence of Mystra.

-I'm posting on my phone, so please excuse spelling errors and such.

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quote:
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-And, we know from Magic of Faerūn that the churches of Azuth and Mystra are the primary prulmugators of the story of Karsus: of course they're going to spin things as positivley as possible.

-As a mortal, Karsus' mind wouldn't be able to comprehend his duties, sure. His mind was in the process of "downloading" Mystryl's knowledge and expertise. With that, he'd be able to "control" and maintain the Weave- just like Midnight-Mystra has, with the mortal mind of Midnight fully bonding with the essence of Mystra.

-I'm posting on my phone, so please excuse spelling errors and such.



I'm going with what is written in canon, and that's that Karsus could not handle it and realized that too late.

And it says nothing about him downloading Mystryl's knowledge and expertise. If Mystra 1.0 couldn't pass that on to Mystra 2.0, then how could someone steal if from Mystryl?

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Arcanus
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Whether Karsus could handle being a god is a completely mute point. The question is who was the greatest mage. Karsus became the ruddy GOD OF MAGIC with ONE spell!! How many others (including Azuth) have spent years and years trying to find a way to ascend? The sheer brilliance of that one spell cannot be underestimated. Azuth was coddled and coached into his new found godhood by his then lover Mystra, so of course things came easier to him. Also being the greater god of magic must be infinitely harder than Azuths lowly portfolio was.
Azuth is just a lowly pretender to the throne, a distant runner up at best.

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And it says nothing about him downloading Mystryl's knowledge and expertise. If Mystra 1.0 couldn't pass that on to Mystra 2.0, then how could someone steal if from Mystryl?

Indeed. I imagine learning Mystra's mysteries would've taken Midnight centuries. The Mystryl-to-Karsus transition likely would have functioned in much the same way.

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Whether Karsus could handle being a god is a completely mute point. The question is who was the greatest mage. Karsus became the ruddy GOD OF MAGIC with ONE spell!! How many others (including Azuth) have spent years and years trying to find a way to ascend? The sheer brilliance of that one spell cannot be underestimated. Azuth was coddled and coached into his new found godhood by his then lover Mystra, so of course things came easier to him. Also being the greater god of magic must be infinitely harder than Azuths lowly portfolio was.
Azuth is just a lowly pretender to the throne, a distant runner up at best.

All hail Lord Karsus!!



So which is better -- holding an awful lot of power for a few seconds, destroying yourself and everything you hold dear in the process, or holding slightly less power for centuries, without destroying anything? I know which one I'd choose...

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I'm going with what is written in canon, and that's that Karsus could not handle it and realized that too late.


-It's your prerogative to interpret things as you like. I will note, however, that Powers and Pantheons says nothing of Karsus not being able to "handle" the burden, other than a vague "being ill equipped" the moment the spell began taking effect, which can be interpreted as a lot of variables- not being fully deity of magic at the moment, with Mystryl still existing concurrently, for one. Specifically, in the blink of an eye, or however long it would be to us mortals, with deities not being constrained by such things to the degree that we are, Mystryl would not have been able to tend to the Weave's constant repairs, and Karsus would not yet be fully invested with divine energy to even begin to tackle doing so. And, in that flash of a moment, blink of an eye, the Weave could unravel, and magic would have went kaput (included the spell affecting both Karsus and Mystryl).

quote:
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And it says nothing about him downloading Mystryl's knowledge and expertise. If Mystra 1.0 couldn't pass that on to Mystra 2.0, then how could someone steal if from Mystryl?



-Mystra 1.0 passed on that knowledge to Midnight/Mystra when the two bonded, otherwise the same exact scenario would have happened- The Weave, with Midnight/Mystra, unable to constantly make the needed repairs to the Weave (certainly not as prolific as they were when Netheril existed, and the Phaerimm and them were going at it full force, but existent nonetheless, when every spellcaster uses magic), would have collapsed. Midnight did not inherent all of her predecessor's wisdom and expertise, but the ability to maintain the Weave, we've seen it in action, whether it be the Weave not collapsing immediately upon her apotheosis, Mystra having her clergy and Chosen repairing Wild and Dead Magic Zones in the wake of the Time of Troubles and beyond, and so on.

-I am contending that if Karsus' spell hadn't ended when Mystryl sacrificed herself, and he had more fully bonded to her, he, too, would have been privy to that knowledge, and could have repaired and modified the Weave, like she did. Of course, the Weave may or may not have fully frayed if that transitory blink of an eye passed where Karsus fully assumed the mantle of deity of magic and the duties that came with it from Mystryl.

-But, in a way, this gets back to the original point that was made by you, that he wouldn't have been able to handle being a deity, regardless of what deity he targeted, and what portfolios he assumed. It's pretty implicit that it was the constant repairs to the Weave that the deity of magic always had to be minding was Karsus' downfall, not his mind not being able to fathom the "expanded cosmos", as a deity might, or whatever else. As I said, if he picked a deity like Targus, who did not have to constantly divert his attention to maintaining some kind of 'violence matrix', it is unlikely that there would have been any problems like what happened with him and Mystryl.

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Why do Torilians call it Karsus's Folly instead of Karsus's Greatest Feat?

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His body swelled with the sudden influx of godly power, and
his mind filled with unimaginable knowledge. Karsus instantly
realized the horrible mistake he had made: He stole the power
from the one god he shouldn’t have. Mystryl’s position called for
one of the aspects of her psyche to constantly rework the weave
of magic—the weave that Netheril and its glut of magic and the
phaerimm with their magic drain spells constantly threatened to
unravel. When Mystryl lost her ability to keep the weave of essential
magic (magic in its purest unschooled and unfielded form)
intact, the inundation of magic surged and fluctuated, and the
effects of all things magical doubled for a time—a short time.
Mystryl sacrificed herself to save the weave before the damage
became irreparable. This broke Karsus’s link to her magic and
obstructed the weave, causing all magic to briefly cease functioning.
Without the infusion of magic, the floating cities of
Netheril fell, and Karsus was instantly slain. His bloated body petrified
and toppled from the high plateau above his floating city
and plummeted to earth. As his body fell, his stony eyes, still
shimmering with the last glint of godly omniscience, caught a
glimpse of the cities of Netheril smashing to the ground, killing all
their inhabitants. His heart broke—greed for the power of the
deities themselves caused the destruction of his home, his family,
his friends, and his people.


Well if you say that karsus became a god in an instant, then you do not calculate the fact that he spent well over a decade researching this spell. Karsus spent well over a decade researching this spell.
It was so complex that he had to use a stone-filled gizzard of a gold dragon and part of the epidermis of the pituitary gland of the tarrasque just to enchant one of the material
components of the spell.


So if it took him 15 years to get there, and then he still had made a mistake... how does that make him the most powerful. If he had been SO powerful then i sure he would have accended before hand...



By the way... all this is from Netheril boxesd set
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15 years to create a spell that lets you take the power of the god of your choice. That strikes me as a remarkably short time for such a spell.
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Indeed. Besides, years don't matter to the archwizards. They have a great number of life-extending spells. What's a century to ordinary folks might just be a day to them. Remember, they are already akin to gods in mortal form.

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I would so like to see the real write up of Karsus. Stats and all...

I bet all the other mages on the poll besides Sammaster could take him down... But thats beside the point!

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quote:
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Why do Torilians call it Karsus's Folly instead of Karsus's Greatest Feat?



-Because, as I mentioned, the Churches of Mystra and Azuth are the primary promulgators of the story. They're not going to want Karsus to look good, and/or his decision to look like a wise one (whether or not you think they were or weren't, personally), because to do so would make Mystra look bad, and could theoretically embolden other mortals to see "past" deities, like Karsus and other Netherese Archmagi did, something the deities of Faerūn would not like. The cult of Karsus that sprung up in the ruins of Karse, they saw what Karsus did as a great thing, one that would lead humanity into a new golden age of magic and such. They don't exist anymore, but it shows that opinions on the matter, in Faerūn, differ.

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So if it took him 15 years to get there, and then he still had made a mistake... how does that make him the most powerful. If he had been SO powerful then i sure he would have accended before hand...


-A mistake, in the sense that Mystrl couldn't divert her attention from the Weave, lest it collapse, and when he cast the spell targeting her, that's exactly what would have happened, so she committed suicide, killing the two of them, rebooting herself into Mystra. That's a mistake from his part like buying a car that doesn't have airbags, and then getting hurt when you're in a car accident where airbags could have prevented or minimized your injury is a mistake.

quote:
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I would so like to see the real write up of Karsus. Stats and all...


-Male Human Arcanist 41 (Mentalist), with specific ability scores mentioned in either Netheril: Empire of Magic, or Powers and Pantheons. The first one, I believe.

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since this poll is about greatness and not shear power, I simple cant say that killing a god and you selv in the action because you are so sure of yourself that yoou belive yourself better than a god, as anything related to greatness.

Another thing... The fact that Karsus' cult is gone gotta be the ultimate statement that he was crap!
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quote:
Originally posted by Lord Karsus

quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


Why do Torilians call it Karsus's Folly instead of Karsus's Greatest Feat?



-Because, as I mentioned, the Churches of Mystra and Azuth are the primary promulgators of the story. They're not going to want Karsus to look good, and/or his decision to look like a wise one (whether or not you think they were or weren't, personally), because to do so would make Mystra look bad, and could theoretically embolden other mortals to see "past" deities, like Karsus and other Netherese Archmagi did, something the deities of Faerūn would not like. The cult of Karsus that sprung up in the ruins of Karse, they saw what Karsus did as a great thing, one that would lead humanity into a new golden age of magic and such. They don't exist anymore, but it shows that opinions on the matter, in Faerūn, differ.


Or it could have been the fact that because Karsus was a fool for selecting Mystryl, he wound up destroying himself and his entire nation. Not many people make one poor judgement call and wind up changing the entire world, and not for the better...

Rather qualifies as folly, thinks I, without any negative PR needed.

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Another thing... The fact that Karsus' cult is gone gotta be the ultimate statement that he was crap!



-Ao's cult is also gone. Does that say that Ao is/was crap? Karsus wasn't a fully divine entity, so he couldn't grant his cultists spells. Wulgreth was constantly attacking and manipulating the cult. It's a wonder the cult lasted as long as it did, really.

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Or it could have been the fact that because Karsus was a fool for selecting Mystryl, he wound up destroying himself and his entire nation. Not many people make one poor judgement call and wind up changing the entire world, and not for the better...

Rather qualifies as folly, thinks I, without any negative PR needed.



-Or, you can look at it as the ultimate triumph of mortals over capricious overpowers, as the Athar would see it, as well as plenty of other individuals across the multiverse. Once more, Karsus, upon casting his spell, had no way of knowing that Mystryl was going to kill herself to preserve the Weave's integrity. Saying he's a fool for that is like saying someone's an idiot for buying a car without the safety feature that would have prevented them from getting hurt when they got into an accident sometime after they got the car.

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Its like me thinking that any veicle with 4 wheels is a car and by that difinition that I can drive it. And I wouldt be able to drive an F1 car!

Basicly destroying the weave no matter how good your intentions are because you cant make correct assumption or you just dont know. Well to me that just doesnt cu it for the price of The Greatest Mage ever lived.

Powerfull indeed... great... not so much!
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quote:
Originally posted by Lord Karsus

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

Or it could have been the fact that because Karsus was a fool for selecting Mystryl, he wound up destroying himself and his entire nation. Not many people make one poor judgement call and wind up changing the entire world, and not for the better...

Rather qualifies as folly, thinks I, without any negative PR needed.



-Or, you can look at it as the ultimate triumph of mortals over capricious overpowers, as the Athar would see it, as well as plenty of other individuals across the multiverse. Once more, Karsus, upon casting his spell, had no way of knowing that Mystryl was going to kill herself to preserve the Weave's integrity. Saying he's a fool for that is like saying someone's an idiot for buying a car without the safety feature that would have prevented them from getting hurt when they got into an accident sometime after they got the car.



Well, if they had the option of getting that safety feature -- as Karsus certainly did -- and then opted not to -- which Karsus also did -- then yeah, they would be a fool.

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quote:
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since this poll is about greatness and not shear power, I simple cant say that killing a god and you selv in the action because you are so sure of yourself that yoou belive yourself better than a god, as anything related to greatness.
This ties in to what I was saying in the "Who Can" discussion scroll.

I'm in no way defining Karsus as the greatest mage, but focusing specifically on the end result of his work, seems to me at least, to be far too limiting in terms of defining, overall, just what Karsus did manage to accomplish.

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-Mystra 1.0 passed on that knowledge to Midnight/Mystra when the two bonded, otherwise the same exact scenario would have happened- The Weave, with Midnight/Mystra, unable to constantly make the needed repairs to the Weave (certainly not as prolific as they were when Netheril existed, and the Phaerimm and them were going at it full force, but existent nonetheless, when every spellcaster uses magic), would have collapsed. Midnight did not inherent all of her predecessor's wisdom and expertise, but the ability to maintain the Weave, we've seen it in action, whether it be the Weave not collapsing immediately upon her apotheosis, Mystra having her clergy and Chosen repairing Wild and Dead Magic Zones in the wake of the Time of Troubles and beyond, and so on.


It's important to note that Mystra 2.0 was raised to her position by Ao, and so the Overgod may have helped her along (especially given all the damage she had to get started on repairing once the Time of Troubles ended). She also had Elminster helping her (Shadows of the Avatar book 2) at one point, and even now, Ed has commented that for her as a deity, it is like being alone in a very, very large room filled to the rafters with piles and piles of untidy, stacked books. And each book is a memory of her predecessors. She can grab at them and read them, but it is taking her a long time to get everything sorted and fully amalgamate the memories of Mystra 1.0 and Mystryl into her own consciousness. It likely would have taken centuries for her to fully adapt to her new role.

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Well, if they had the option of getting that safety feature -- as Karsus certainly did -- and then opted not to -- which Karsus also did -- then yeah, they would be a fool.



-Why do you think Karsus had the option of getting that "safety feature"? What would you define as that "safety option"?

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It's important to note that Mystra 2.0 was raised to her position by Ao, and so the Overgod may have helped her along (especially given all the damage she had to get started on repairing once the Time of Troubles ended). She also had Elminster helping her (Shadows of the Avatar book 2) at one point, and even now, Ed has commented that for her as a deity, it is like being alone in a very, very large room filled to the rafters with piles and piles of untidy, stacked books. And each book is a memory of her predecessors. She can grab at them and read them, but it is taking her a long time to get everything sorted and fully amalgamate the memories of Mystra 1.0 and Mystryl into her own consciousness. It likely would have taken centuries for her to fully adapt to her new role.



-No doubt, the circumstances of their ascensions and such were different. What I am saying is that, upon the moment of her ascension, if Midnight had no working knowledge of how to keep the Weave from fraying into oblivion because of people utilizing it, it would have frayed into oblivion. The fact that it didn't, and magic was restored to normal at the end of the Time of Troubles, shows, to me, that that specific duty was something that was "inherently learned" when she absorbed Mystra's divine essence and fully bonded with it.

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Edited by - Lord Karsus on 10 Jun 2011 04:52:58
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Eldacar
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Posted - 10 Jun 2011 :  08:49:42  Show Profile  Visit Eldacar's Homepage  Click to see Eldacar's MSN Messenger address Send Eldacar a Private Message
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Originally posted by Lord Karsus

The fact that it didn't, and magic was restored to normal at the end of the Time of Troubles, shows, to me, that that specific duty was something that was "inherently learned" when she absorbed Mystra's divine essence and fully bonded with it.


To me it just says that Ao (who also set up the Time of Troubles as a whole, creating that "unique situation" to begin with) taking a personal hand in her ascension was the reason the Weave didn't collapse. Azuth and the Chosen were probably already serving as anchors for the Weave during the Time of Troubles (something else Ed has said that they serve as during a time of great instability, which the Time of Troubles was).

I don't see it as something Karsus could have ever learned in time to prevent the Weave from collapsing. The damage would have been irreparable long before he could have even begun to comprehend what had to be done to hold the Weave together.

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Well, if they had the option of getting that safety feature -- as Karsus certainly did -- and then opted not to -- which Karsus also did -- then yeah, they would be a fool.



-Why do you think Karsus had the option of getting that "safety feature"? What would you define as that "safety option"?


He had the option of not picking Mystryl, or of developing an equally powerful magic to take on the phaerimm.

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Can we really be sure what Karsus's spell was intended to do, or that it worked exactly as he intended? Karsus may have assumed something untrue about the nature of the gods in general, and the spell itself faltered.

I'm guessing that the spell itself did not survive, and only a few survivors saw and reported on what they think happened. Karsus's spell may have been something different, and not necessarily focused on Mystryl. But because his theoretical assumptions were off about whatever he tried to do, it siphoned Mystryl's power rather than what it was intended to accomplish.

What if, for instance, his spell was something amazing and dramatic targeted at the phaerimm, perhaps an attempt to suck all of their magical energy away through a single epic spell? But something went wrong, and it drew magic directly from the weave and Mystryl. Which was later interpreted as both hubris and an attempt to assume Mystryl's place?

To me, a wizard of such ability casting a spell to steal Mystryl's power always seemed a little "off" to me. Like a childrens' story more than what actually, really happened.

Just a thought.

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Edited by - Eltheron on 10 Jun 2011 16:39:07
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