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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 16 Mar 2011 :  15:13:36  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dead gods don't rest easy, my friends.

(Oh and Helm for the win!)

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Lord of Bones
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Posted - 19 Mar 2011 :  22:13:55  Show Profile  Visit Lord of Bones's Homepage Send Lord of Bones a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Why, Myrkul of course. Not that the cutter's dead! He's a zippy little hat with a gnarly attitude, and if it lands on your bonce you're in more trouble than when that addle-cove Cyric was caught with his hand in Shar's underwear drawer.

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Arcanus
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Posted - 19 Mar 2011 :  23:56:12  Show Profile  Visit Arcanus's Homepage Send Arcanus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I vote Mystra. In a world of gods who have dominion over seemingly all aspects of existence, to not have a god of magic is absurd.

quote:
Originally posted by Kilvan


As for Azuth being killed by Asmodeus, well, he didn't have his spells since Mystra just died (or his staff for that matter, as it was planted in Mystra's skull at the time). He could have been overrun with pit fiends, unable to flee to safety.





But gods have divine power (not weave dependant) at their disposal. Look at when Mystra fought (and got beat by) Cyric after she had denied him access to the weave. Surely Azuth could have at least transported himself to a safer location.
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Azuth
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quote:


But gods have divine power (not weave dependant) at their disposal. Look at when Mystra fought (and got beat by) Cyric after she had denied him access to the weave. Surely Azuth could have at least transported himself to a safer location.



Mystra left him Godsbane, which was really Mask (who still had full access to the Weave) which is why (I believe) Godsbane wounded Mystra so with each strike. What I've never understood about that scene is why Mystra didn't just draw power from the Weave as a whole versus "ripping" pieces out of it. Since it served to further the plot, though, I'll let it go without much thought.

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Alystra Illianniis
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My vote has to go to Eilistraee. I truly despise the fact that drow are now left with nothing but Lolth. WHYYY??!!!! If WotC is so all-fired-up about "balance", why in the names of all the gods did they axe her?!! So now drow have no choice but to be evil?! Urgh, I don't even want to get into how stupid that is.

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Ayrik
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Mighty Gruumsh is always willing to embrace new sacrifices followers. Drow vermin can always expect a warm welcome when they approach Gruumsh's smiling clergy.

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Alystra Illianniis
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Um, no. Talking about the few decent ones, not those spider-kissing be-otches and their lackeys. None of he Dark Maiden's faithful would give Gruumsh the time of day. Which might be why he's so grouchy- no hawt elf-lovin' for HIM, LOL!!!!

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Aryalómë
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Posted - 20 Mar 2011 :  15:45:35  Show Profile Send Aryalómë a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Since I could only choose one, I chose Eilistraee. If she was on there, I probably would have chosen Kiaransalee but I miss Eilistraee just the aame. I also would have chosen Mystra, Lathander, and Mask. One of the reasons why I hate 4e lore.....
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Aryalómë
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Posted - 20 Mar 2011 :  15:54:46  Show Profile Send Aryalómë a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Oh and Vhaeraun as well. Plus, I despise how Hanali Celanil,, Aerdrie Faenya, and Sehanine Moonbow became "aspects" of other gods D:
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The Red Walker
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Posted - 20 Mar 2011 :  20:07:06  Show Profile Send The Red Walker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Jergal!


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Elfinblade
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Posted - 20 Mar 2011 :  21:36:14  Show Profile Send Elfinblade a Private Message  Reply with Quote
My vote goes to Mask, with Helm as a very close second.
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Firestorm
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Posted - 20 Mar 2011 :  21:36:28  Show Profile Send Firestorm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Azuth


quote:


But gods have divine power (not weave dependant) at their disposal. Look at when Mystra fought (and got beat by) Cyric after she had denied him access to the weave. Surely Azuth could have at least transported himself to a safer location.



Mystra left him Godsbane, which was really Mask (who still had full access to the Weave) which is why (I believe) Godsbane wounded Mystra so with each strike. What I've never understood about that scene is why Mystra didn't just draw power from the Weave as a whole versus "ripping" pieces out of it. Since it served to further the plot, though, I'll let it go without much thought.

Should you ever tire of Sune, simply hand her a mirror and walk away.




Errm. In prince of lies, Cyric was unable to transport himself after Mystra denied him the weave. One of the others had to escort him back to the city of the dead via transport.

In that scene, they were fighting in pandemonium unless I am mistaken. It affects everything.

As for Azuth, well, he did have a divine rank of 10, which makes him tough stuff. But he fell into the seat of Asmodeus' power. Asmo is damn near a god in that realm too. And Azuth could have been in bad shape when he landed in Nessus. And from what I remember reading, Azuth was dying as he landed anyways.

For the record, I miss Gilream :)
Of those recent, Mask.

I guess it is obvious what kind of characters I play.

Edited by - Firestorm on 20 Mar 2011 21:37:34
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The Red Walker
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Posted - 20 Mar 2011 :  22:35:42  Show Profile Send The Red Walker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Firestorm

quote:
Originally posted by Azuth


quote:


But gods have divine power (not weave dependant) at their disposal. Look at when Mystra fought (and got beat by) Cyric after she had denied him access to the weave. Surely Azuth could have at least transported himself to a safer location.



Mystra left him Godsbane, which was really Mask (who still had full access to the Weave) which is why (I believe) Godsbane wounded Mystra so with each strike. What I've never understood about that scene is why Mystra didn't just draw power from the Weave as a whole versus "ripping" pieces out of it. Since it served to further the plot, though, I'll let it go without much thought.

Should you ever tire of Sune, simply hand her a mirror and walk away.




Errm. In prince of lies, Cyric was unable to transport himself after Mystra denied him the weave. One of the others had to escort him back to the city of the dead via transport.

In that scene, they were fighting in pandemonium unless I am mistaken. It affects everything.

As for Azuth, well, he did have a divine rank of 10, which makes him tough stuff. But he fell into the seat of Asmodeus' power. Asmo is damn near a god in that realm too. And Azuth could have been in bad shape when he landed in Nessus. And from what I remember reading, Azuth was dying as he landed anyways.

For the record, I miss Gilream :)
Of those recent, Mask.

I guess it is obvious what kind of characters I play.



Honest question, from a primarily novel only reader....Gilream or Giljeam?

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Firestorm
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Posted - 20 Mar 2011 :  22:47:51  Show Profile Send Firestorm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker

quote:
Originally posted by Firestorm

quote:
Originally posted by Azuth


quote:


But gods have divine power (not weave dependant) at their disposal. Look at when Mystra fought (and got beat by) Cyric after she had denied him access to the weave. Surely Azuth could have at least transported himself to a safer location.



Mystra left him Godsbane, which was really Mask (who still had full access to the Weave) which is why (I believe) Godsbane wounded Mystra so with each strike. What I've never understood about that scene is why Mystra didn't just draw power from the Weave as a whole versus "ripping" pieces out of it. Since it served to further the plot, though, I'll let it go without much thought.

Should you ever tire of Sune, simply hand her a mirror and walk away.




Errm. In prince of lies, Cyric was unable to transport himself after Mystra denied him the weave. One of the others had to escort him back to the city of the dead via transport.

In that scene, they were fighting in pandemonium unless I am mistaken. It affects everything.

As for Azuth, well, he did have a divine rank of 10, which makes him tough stuff. But he fell into the seat of Asmodeus' power. Asmo is damn near a god in that realm too. And Azuth could have been in bad shape when he landed in Nessus. And from what I remember reading, Azuth was dying as he landed anyways.

For the record, I miss Gilream :)
Of those recent, Mask.

I guess it is obvious what kind of characters I play.



Honest question, from a primarily novel only reader....Gilream or Giljeam?



Oops. typo.
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The Red Walker
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Posted - 21 Mar 2011 :  00:03:41  Show Profile Send The Red Walker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Firestorm

quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker

quote:
Originally posted by Firestorm

quote:
Originally posted by Azuth


quote:


But gods have divine power (not weave dependant) at their disposal. Look at when Mystra fought (and got beat by) Cyric after she had denied him access to the weave. Surely Azuth could have at least transported himself to a safer location.



Mystra left him Godsbane, which was really Mask (who still had full access to the Weave) which is why (I believe) Godsbane wounded Mystra so with each strike. What I've never understood about that scene is why Mystra didn't just draw power from the Weave as a whole versus "ripping" pieces out of it. Since it served to further the plot, though, I'll let it go without much thought.

Should you ever tire of Sune, simply hand her a mirror and walk away.




Errm. In prince of lies, Cyric was unable to transport himself after Mystra denied him the weave. One of the others had to escort him back to the city of the dead via transport.

In that scene, they were fighting in pandemonium unless I am mistaken. It affects everything.

As for Azuth, well, he did have a divine rank of 10, which makes him tough stuff. But he fell into the seat of Asmodeus' power. Asmo is damn near a god in that realm too. And Azuth could have been in bad shape when he landed in Nessus. And from what I remember reading, Azuth was dying as he landed anyways.

For the record, I miss Gilream :)
Of those recent, Mask.

I guess it is obvious what kind of characters I play.



Honest question, from a primarily novel only reader....Gilream or Giljeam?



Oops. typo.



I assumed, but hey...it wouldn't have been the first FR diety I had not heard of!

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The Sage
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Posted - 21 Mar 2011 :  00:48:50  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker

Jergal!



I don't think I could ever remove Jergal from my Realms. The Spellweavers just have too much of an important place in the world's history for Jergal not to be forever around.

That, and the fact that I dropped the Time portfolio on his shoulders.

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The Red Walker
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Posted - 21 Mar 2011 :  01:06:48  Show Profile Send The Red Walker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The Spellweavers????

Tell me more.

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker

The Spellweavers????

Tell me more.

They're basically a planar race who travel across the planes seeking out powerful magicks. There's [3e] reference details here, along with an image here.

The connection between Jergal and the Spellweavers has been a point of curious debate -- both officially and unofficially -- here at Candlekeep. Simply search for any "Jergal-based" scrolls.

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Ayrik
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Posted - 21 Mar 2011 :  01:57:34  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
They look like some sort of thri-kreen & arcane/mercane hybrid to me.

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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 21 Mar 2011 :  19:48:05  Show Profile Send Alystra Illianniis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ah, an old-school race that doesn't get enough love. Same with Arcanes....

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Fellfire
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There was a Spellweaver Lich, The Harbinger from the Age of Worms adventure path. He was great fun.

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Quale
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Posted - 22 Mar 2011 :  14:16:03  Show Profile Send Quale a Private Message  Reply with Quote
More dead gods there is the better, for example Leira, Myrkul, Moander, Auppenser are all well executed.
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ChieftainTwilight
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Mystra. for crying out loud, she was almost the ESSENCE of Faerun! she WAS the Weave! litterally! and we all know Faerun and Magic are pretty much interchangable terms!

plus, she was replaced like 3 or 4 times already. why die NOW? that's BS!

and a heart can only break so many times
and I've been to hell and back so many times
and I've seen folks walk away so many times
but just like anyone else I gotta stand up by myself
and a heart can only break so many times
a heart can only break so many times
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quote:
Originally posted by ChieftainTwilight

Mystra. for crying out loud, she was almost the ESSENCE of Faerun! she WAS the Weave! litterally! and we all know Faerun and Magic are pretty much interchangable terms!

plus, she was replaced like 3 or 4 times already. why die NOW? that's BS!



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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 24 Mar 2011 :  19:47:47  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
First of all, where is it stated that Jergal is dead or gone?

Secondly, I am currently running a 4e FR campaign

(SPOILERS FOR ANY OF MY PLAYERS)


wherein one of the main characters is the reincarnation of Eilistraee (though she doesn't know it) and the big bad guy is the reincarnation of Vhaeraun (he's well aware). He's currently making her jump through hoops so she becomes powerful enough to ally with him to go kill Lolth and take her throne.


END SPOILERS

So clearly, I'm all about the dead gods.

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'Tis easier to destroy than to create.

Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars"
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Azuth
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Just for the record, Jergal isn't on my list for the poll. He's clearly alive and serving as the Seneschal for Kelemvor.

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie

First of all, where is it stated that Jergal is dead or gone?

Secondly, I am currently running a 4e FR campaign
I don't think it was so much about defining Jergal as "dead" in the classic sense -- since we know that particular state is very difficult to apply to deities.

What I was referring to, mostly, was providing Jergal with a more active place [rather than the "so-far-off-in-the-faded-background-as-to-almost-be-forgotten" that he occupies in the canon Realms] in my pantheon, because he's still such a cool god!

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Azuth
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I agree that Jergal is a fascinating deity. He was a major power before he gave up his porfolio to Bane, Bhaal, and Myrkul. Since we never had any canon scenes in the books with Jergal serving Myrkul, I'm not sure how that relationship was. Cyric likes to abuse him, and Kelemvor seems to rely on his advice a lot. Regardless, he seems like he serves the God of Death as a very reliable ally.

I can also see giving him Time as a domain, especially since no god has held it since Chronos. I gave it to Shaundakul - it sloppily folded in with travelers and what not. I figured he'd like to help them with time. Jergal's been around for an eternity, though, so that definitely works.

Cheers, all.

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quote:
Originally posted by Azuth


I can also see giving him Time as a domain, especially since no god has held it since Chronos.


That's largely what I've done.

Interestingly, as I've speculated in the past [in terms of the official Realms], perhaps the Time porfolio fell into the hands of Jergal in the pre-Spellplague Realms. But after his demotion to "Exarch" status in the 4e Realms, the Time portfolio once again came up for grabs.

At which point, I'm still content to believe much of what Eric Boyd and I discussed about the Time portfolio back in '06. That the Time portfolio remained free largely because, at the time [pun intended, I suppose], it wasn't feasible to be definitive about it, as some future project [nothing proposed at that point in '06] might have called for it. [Or, in other words, maybe Eric wanted to leave room for further development.]

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I've said it before ...
Portfolio of Time is governed by Dendar the (Nidhogg) Night Serpent in my homebrew. It works surprisingly well. Booya!

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