| Author |
 Topic  |
|
|
DourdenAdam
Acolyte
8 Posts |
 Posted - 08 Mar 2011 : 11:50:42
|
Alright, I play a lawful good Changeling assassin that worships Bahamut. I did that simply for the lolz. I mean, people don't truly expect assassins to be good let alone lawful good. He's fun to play as, almost as enjoyable as my slutty female Eladrin wizard named Bob.
However, I have a few questions about changelings. Now, this is under the 4ed rules. So, I hope you will be able to help me. First off it states "Shapechanger - You have the shapechanger quality." Does that mean that I am weak to silver? I mean I assume it does, but, I dont have regeneration to lose when I'm hit with it.
Second, are Changelings able to get spellscars? If so, when they change shape, does the spellscar disappear or do they retain it throughout their transformations? Thank you very much for assisting me in this problem.
|
|
|
Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 08 Mar 2011 : 12:12:22
|
Shapechanger quality should be explained either in the Monster Manual or the Rules Compendium (see the index).
As for the spellscar, nothing states that they can't get a spellscar, and I would rule that it is retained throughout. |
Karsite Arcanar (Most Holy Servant of Karsus)
Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
http://www.dmsguild.com/m/product/172023 |
 |
|
|
DourdenAdam
Acolyte
8 Posts |
Posted - 08 Mar 2011 : 16:16:31
|
| But as I see it, if they can shapeshift their body changing their gender, height and all that fun stuff shouldn't they also be able to hide or mask their spellscar? |
|
|
|
Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 08 Mar 2011 : 17:13:13
|
| Well the Spellscar would probably have the power to resist the shapechanging ability. Maybe it can be masked into looking like something else, or it manifests itself in different ways 9say they change into an animal, well the scar appears as a second tail). I think that would be pretty cool. |
Karsite Arcanar (Most Holy Servant of Karsus)
Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
http://www.dmsguild.com/m/product/172023 |
|
|
|
Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 08 Mar 2011 : 17:44:22
|
I would go along with Alisttair on this; I would rule that some evidence of the Spellscaring MUST be retained in whatever form they take. To hide it goes against the very flavor of the spellscars, and should not be allowed.
I site two precedents, one FR and the other non-FR:
The Maluagrym can take any form they wish, but their eyes always give them away.
In folklore, certain Fey-types can alter their shapes and appear human, but some abnormality is always evident (pointed ears, left and right hands reversed, pig-nosed, feet backwards, etc...)
Although mechanically I can see your point, it would be a way to circumvent the drawbacks of spellscars (they look 'different', and people shun them), and any time a player figures out a way to do that*, it should be nerfed by the DM.
*And by "that", I mean 'break the flavor of the rules, if not the letter.' |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
|
Edited by - Markustay on 08 Mar 2011 17:46:12 |
|
|
|
Therise
Master of Realmslore
1272 Posts |
Posted - 08 Mar 2011 : 18:09:54
|
Before even getting to the spellscar issue, an assassin who is lawful good? ...huh?
Murderer-for-hire sorta goes against the whole concept of goodness, methinks.
|
Female, 40-year DM of a homebrew-evolved 1E Realms, including a few added tidbits of 2E and 3E lore; played originally in AD&D, then in Rolemaster. Be a DM for your kids and grandkids, gaming is excellent for families! |
|
|
|
Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 08 Mar 2011 : 18:12:06
|
What, you've never heard of (or seen) Remo Williams?
I love the concept of Sinanju, and inserted it into my Eastern Realms.  |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
|
Edited by - Markustay on 08 Mar 2011 18:12:58 |
|
|
|
Therise
Master of Realmslore
1272 Posts |
Posted - 08 Mar 2011 : 18:30:42
|
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
What, you've never heard of (or seen) Remo Williams?
I love the concept of Sinanju, and inserted it into my Eastern Realms.
Heh, in no way would I classify Remo Williams, or even the House of Sinanju as "good"...
Entertaining, yes. Darkly humorous, definitely. But not "good"... they're still murderers, after all.
Chaotic neutral with a splash of badass, yes.
|
Female, 40-year DM of a homebrew-evolved 1E Realms, including a few added tidbits of 2E and 3E lore; played originally in AD&D, then in Rolemaster. Be a DM for your kids and grandkids, gaming is excellent for families! |
|
|
|
Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 08 Mar 2011 : 18:37:52
|
| They murder for the Greater Good - its an interesting concept, at least. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
|
|
|
|
Therise
Master of Realmslore
1272 Posts |
Posted - 08 Mar 2011 : 18:45:29
|
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
They murder for the Greater Good - its an interesting concept, at least.
It's definitely an interesting idea, although flawed. Logic can be used to justify almost anything, even murder. But that doesn't make it right, or good.
Anyway, I don't wanna tangent too much... just thought it was weird.
|
Female, 40-year DM of a homebrew-evolved 1E Realms, including a few added tidbits of 2E and 3E lore; played originally in AD&D, then in Rolemaster. Be a DM for your kids and grandkids, gaming is excellent for families! |
|
|
|
Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2011 : 11:44:27
|
Well for the alignment Therise, I think we need to break that down also first.
Let's his the Lawful part. I see no problem there as long as Murder is legal in the lands (an assassin in the employ of the king).
The good part can work if they are assassins of evil beings (demons, devils, etc...) so that is covered as well. |
Karsite Arcanar (Most Holy Servant of Karsus)
Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
http://www.dmsguild.com/m/product/172023 |
|
|
|
DourdenAdam
Acolyte
8 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2011 : 17:42:35
|
| He murders evil doers... you know like in our world repeat offenders. Those that can't be change or redeemed. He also has a heavy set of morals. He views highway men, theives, the evil kind of assassins as lower beings and only worthy of death. He is not the sort of person that would outwardly kill someone without hearing their reasons first. Though, with his passive insight he'd likely believe them if it werent for his other party members. |
|
|
|
Christopher_Rowe
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
879 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2011 : 18:05:04
|
| I'm with Markustay on both the spellscarring being in evidence somehow despite shape and in that assassins can be lawful good. In this context it's a class, not a profession, and so a set of skills, not necessarily evincing an attitude or moral compass. Paladins, after all, are also trained killers. |
My Realms novel, Sandstorm, is now available for ordering. |
|
|
|
Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2011 : 18:14:08
|
| Perhaps we should move on from the morality issue... That's a discussion that can get ugly, fast. |
Candlekeep Forums Moderator
Candlekeep - The Library of Forgotten Realms Lore
http://www.candlekeep.com -- Candlekeep Forum Code of Conduct
I am the Giant Space Hamster of Ill Omen!  |
|
|
|
Christopher_Rowe
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
879 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2011 : 18:25:44
|
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Perhaps we should move on from the morality issue... That's a discussion that can get ugly, fast.
Probably a good idea.
Back to the original post, I don't have the Eberron book, is what you're quoting there exactly what it says about what it means to be a shapeshifter? The Compendium says (I think this excerpt is more than short enough to be fair use): "You are a shapechanger; you can alter your appearance. As such, you are subject to effects and conditions that affect shapechangers."
Which just means if you run up against somebody who has a power or an item that's particularly efficacious against shapechangers then you're a legit target for that person.
Is that what you were asking about?
|
Edited by - Christopher_Rowe on 09 Mar 2011 18:29:27 |
|
|
|
Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2011 : 18:26:49
|
| I think that might be correct. |
Karsite Arcanar (Most Holy Servant of Karsus)
Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
http://www.dmsguild.com/m/product/172023 |
|
|
|
DourdenAdam
Acolyte
8 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2011 : 02:04:03
|
| As a shapechanger, does he have weakness to silver like wereanimals? |
|
|
|
Galuf the Dwarf
Senior Scribe
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2011 : 02:18:33
|
quote:
Originally posted by DourdenAdam
As a shapechanger, does he have weakness to silver like wereanimals?
No mention of such under the shapechanger description in Monster Manual page 283. |
Galuf's Baldur's Gate NPC stats: forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8823
Galuf's 3.5 Ed. Cleric Domains: forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14036
Galuf's Homebrew 4th Edition Races: forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13787
Galuf's Homebrew Specialty Priest PrCs: forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14353
Galuf's Forgotten Realms Heralds and Allies thread: forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8766 |
|
|
|
Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
7970 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2011 : 06:15:54
|
Matt James wrote this scroll (and a Wizards article) about shifters in the Realms. Alas, I think one needs DDI access to read the article.
Goodman Games Complete Guide to Doppelgangers, Complete Guide to Rakshasas, Complete Guide to Wererats, and Complete Guide to Werewolves all deal with shapeshifters. |
[/Ayrik] |
Edited by - Ayrik on 27 Mar 2011 06:25:23 |
|
|
|
Portella
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
247 Posts |
Posted - 29 Mar 2011 : 01:36:33
|
| Does the changellings exist.in 3.5 and what is the license on it is I it part of tge open gaming content stuff? |
Purple you say?!
|
|
|
|
Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
7970 Posts |
Posted - 29 Mar 2011 : 04:37:21
|
| There's a changeling template in the SRD, and of course all the OGL books I named above. Yes, they exist in 3.5E. |
[/Ayrik] |
|
|
|
Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 29 Mar 2011 : 05:26:58
|
quote:
Originally posted by Portella
Does the changellings exist.in 3.5 and what is the license on it is I it part of tge open gaming content stuff?
Changelings were intro'ed in the 3.x era, as one of the new races for the Eber-whatsit setting. |
Candlekeep Forums Moderator
Candlekeep - The Library of Forgotten Realms Lore
http://www.candlekeep.com -- Candlekeep Forum Code of Conduct
I am the Giant Space Hamster of Ill Omen! |
|
|
|
Diffan
Great Reader
USA
4430 Posts |
Posted - 29 Mar 2011 : 10:46:14
|
I'd rule that as a Shapechanger, you'd be subject to items, spells, and so forth that affect shapechangers even if you don't have the abilities many others possess. Same goes for elves/eladrin being under Fey or Warforged being under Construct. Though it hardly has any real adverse affects since you don't have some of the common abilities as other Shapechangers.
As for LG Assassins, 4E did away with Alignment on the whole. This allows a free-range morality compass no matter what flavor character your trying to make (like a LG Assassin, or a LG Barbarian/Monk, or a CE Paladin, etc...)
EDIT: Oh, the Spellscar question. Spellscars can be obtained by any PC regardless of class or race. This spellscar remains visible regardless of what form you'd change into as it's a physical mar on your body that even cosmetic cover-ups can't hide. And even if the scar was covered, whenever it was "activated" it would no doubt flare up and be seen by anyone within immediate vacinity. This is how I'd rule them. |
Edited by - Diffan on 29 Mar 2011 10:48:58 |
|
|
| |
Topic |
|
Changeling question...
