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The Sage
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With the release of the new Underdark tome, I felt the need to start a topic about this interesting subject. As I am sure there will be some significant official canon discussion, I am just as interested in hearing about unofficial changes to races and communities of the Underdark that DM's may have made in their own FR campaigns.

Let's hear from you


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Another, side-topic to consider is - Which communities in the Underdark have existed for the longest period?.

Conversely, who are the late arrivals to the endless night, the groups that went underground the most recently?. Are there any races that once dwelled in the Underdark that are not extinct or dwelling on the surface instead of underground?.


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The Sage
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Posted - 27 Oct 2003 :  07:43:12  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It appears as though no one has any thoughts on this topic. Perhaps I sound wait until more scribes have obtained the Underdark tome.


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SiriusBlack
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I really have not liked the things I've heard about this product and initially decided not to purchase the guide. However, with Amazon's Share the love program from another buyer knocking the price down to just over $20 and the ability to return the item to Amazon if I want a refund, I caved in.

I'm weak. <Sigh> I know. I expect the worst and hope for the best here based on things I've heard. However, I look forward to getting the item in hand, hopefully by this weekend, and being able to comment and compare it to past Underdark works.
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Cyric
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Posted - 27 Oct 2003 :  16:19:02  Show Profile  Visit Cyric's Homepage  Click to see Cyric's MSN Messenger address Send Cyric a Private Message  Reply with Quote
it hasent come out yet has it, but i have read some of it and one of the new ones those humans from ancient times am seing a onother shade deal her, there must be quite powerful mages her
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SiriusBlack
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quote:
Originally posted by Cyric

it hasent come out yet has it,


It's been out well over a week in the U.S. To my knowledge other nations on the WOTC board are reporting having sighted it.
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That's right Sirius, I received my copy just this morning.

Since I now have a copy, I am willing to entertain questions.

Let's here from you.


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Cyric
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Posted - 30 Oct 2003 :  16:13:58  Show Profile  Visit Cyric's Homepage  Click to see Cyric's MSN Messenger address Send Cyric a Private Message  Reply with Quote
any thing abut Cyric there and those "new" people who lives underground since the fall og nethril what is the deal with them ??
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That would be the Deep Imaskari. They have been down in the Underdark for about 4,000 years. Ever since the Imaskari Empire fell when its slaves rebelled (Unther and Mulhorand). The only thing I don't like is that it says that the Imaskari some how created the Phaerimm.

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The Sage
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Cyric, I'm only halfway through the tome's Geography section now, but so far there has been very little on Cyric (the deity that is...boy I sound like Foghorn Leghorn ) or his never-ending series of machinations.

As for the '"new" people who lives underground since the fall og nethril', as Knightcrawler said, they are known as the Deep Imaskari who survived the fall of their great empire in -2488 DR. They fled underground, led by a powerful lord named Ilphemon. He also took with him, members of his family, apprentices, and retainers.

Ilphemon's descendent ruled Deep Imaskar until -634 DR when a cruel and twisted cabal of evil Necromancers killed Ilphemon and his family and assumed control.

For most of their history, the Deep Imaskari have lived in perpetual isolation, from the Underdark, and the surface. Only now, are there 'dissenting' voices which have called for an end to the 'Great Seal' which protects and isolates the city from the outside world. This debate has put the three rulers at odds, since the High Lord Planner (and proper ruler of the city) was quite affirmative in his stance on not opening the Great Seal. The two other parties, the Lord Apprehender and the Lady Enacter called for an end to the Great Seal, in an attempt to learn about the outside world, and foster trade and commerce.

There is more, but since you will probably go out and purchase the tome anyway, you can learn about the rest then .


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Lord Rad
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What an excellent product this is!!
Just wondered though, which other Realms products have mentioned the Deep Imaskari? Old Empires?

Its all quite intriguing, is this possibly something thats about to explode into another major Realms event?!

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The Sage
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It is interesting. I've always felt that the other older human kingdoms of the Realms did not get enough attention. I hope this is the start of a slight trend that will explore other ancient regions (not to the extent of Arcane Age...obviously) of Faerun, besides Netheril.

As for other Imaskari references, I'll check.


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The Sage
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As a side note, what did everyone think about the Imaskari's connection to the origin of the Phaerimms?.

For those of you who do not know what I am talking about, look through this page
for the Deep Imaskari excerpt. There are also a number of other Underdark excerpts as well.


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Cyric
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Posted - 03 Nov 2003 :  18:49:19  Show Profile  Visit Cyric's Homepage  Click to see Cyric's MSN Messenger address Send Cyric a Private Message  Reply with Quote
then we have a evil ancient people the shades and we have the Imaskari's the nutral ancient people i wonder if there is going to be a god one any way i think the shades wil ask for alliance they are just as old are they not this could evold
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Can there be an allignece between drows and the shades?

Punish me if you will, for my hands are not clean. But deny me not my revenge!"
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William of Waterdeep
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quote:
Originally posted by Sage of Perth

As a side note, what did everyone think about the Imaskari's connection to the origin of the Phaerimms?.

For those of you who do not know what I am talking about, look through this page
for the Deep Imaskari excerpt. There are also a number of other Underdark excerpts as well.





An unusal why to give a history to a sub race but actually I like it.
I wish I had the book and could read more.How many pages total are used to explain this connection.

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The section that WotC used as an excerpt is the only page that discusses the connection.


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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
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quote:
Originally posted by Rad

What an excellent product this is!!
Just wondered though, which other Realms products have mentioned the Deep Imaskari? Old Empires?

Its all quite intriguing, is this possibly something thats about to explode into another major Realms event?!


Unaproachable East is the tome you're looking for Rad.
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Lord Rad
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quote:
Originally posted by Mumadar Ibn Huzal

Unaproachable East is the tome you're looking for Rad.



Really!? I must have completely missed that section in the book! Thanks Mumadar...and good to see you back, if only occassionally

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SiriusBlack
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I got this book earlier this week. Dear Cyric.....what a mess. Compared to some D20 books out there from Publishers such as Green Ronin and Fantasy Flight Games, WOTC doesn't even come close in art, creative writing, or presentation anymore.

I thought my opinion might be an isolated one so I passed it along to one of my players. I get a note back with the book stating, "This is the stupidest book they've put out yet." Strike two.

Okay, let's pass this along to another of my players. Again, like the first one, no biased comments beforehand, simply a "Hey, take a look at this. I got it from Amazon earlier this week."

I get it back a short time later. As she hands it to me, what does she say?"

"This is a stupid book."

I couldn't stop laughing as she didn't even realize how much her words echoed the previous person's note.
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quote:
Originally posted by SiriusBlack

I got this book earlier this week. Dear Cyric.....what a mess. Compared to some D20 books out there from Publishers such as Green Ronin and Fantasy Flight Games, WOTC doesn't even come close in art, creative writing, or presentation anymore.

I thought my opinion might be an isolated one so I passed it along to one of my players. I get a note back with the book stating, "This is the stupidest book they've put out yet." Strike two.

Okay, let's pass this along to another of my players. Again, like the first one, no biased comments beforehand, simply a "Hey, take a look at this. I got it from Amazon earlier this week."

I get it back a short time later. As she hands it to me, what does she say?"

"This is a stupid book."

I couldn't stop laughing as she didn't even realize how much her words echoed the previous person's note.



Care to elaborate on this SiriusBlack? What exactly dont you like about the book? I think its great! ive been looking forward to it for a long time and its not been a disappointment at all.

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SiriusBlack
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quote:
Originally posted by Rad
Care to elaborate on this SiriusBlack? What exactly dont you like about the book? I think its great! ive been looking forward to it for a long time and its not been a disappointment at all.


Let's see

Horrible art
The inevitable creation of races that aren't going to be played but will fill up space
Poor creative writing
A rehash of material
A rehash of ideas (ohh, another race long thought gone is now reappearing in the Realms).
Overall lack of anything interesting. I feel asleep reading this book. Egads, never did that with past products.

WOTC is producing very bland FR stuff right now and will continue to do so as long as consumers buy material. I'm happy you are pleased with the book and really wish you the best in your game using it. I am sending it back to Amazon and getting my money back.
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quote:
Originally posted by SiriusBlack


Let's see

Horrible art
The inevitable creation of races that aren't going to be played but will fill up space
Poor creative writing
A rehash of material
A rehash of ideas (ohh, another race long thought gone is now reappearing in the Realms).
Overall lack of anything interesting. I feel asleep reading this book. Egads, never did that with past products.

WOTC is producing very bland FR stuff right now and will continue to do so as long as consumers buy material. I'm happy you are pleased with the book and really wish you the best in your game using it. I am sending it back to Amazon and getting my money back.



::gobsmacked::

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The Sage
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Posted - 08 Nov 2003 :  14:23:57  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have to disagree with you on the art, Sirius. I thought most of the material was well illustrated. I especially like the image of Deep Imaskar...it reminds me so much of Sigil .


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quote:
Originally posted by Sage of Perth

I have to disagree with you on the art, Sirius. I thought most of the material was well illustrated. I especially like the image of Deep Imaskar...it reminds me so much of Sigil .



Art is very subjective. I strongly disagree with anyone who likes the art in the Underdark book. The drow with the electric shock/Buckwheat hairdo is the topper for me. Anyone who looks at this art and thinks it's comparable in any way to Green Ronin's Plot and Poisonor Sheoloth from Mongoose products might be sipping some of the eggnog early for Christmas. And do we even want to get started on covers.....?
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Oh, I can agree with you on the 'drow with the electric shock/Buckwheat hairdo'...that was just disturbing.... Although some of the 'race' art was well presented. What about the Deep Imaskari?.


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