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Fellfire
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Blibdoolpoolp is what is known as a double-bagger, one for her and one for me.

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Erik Scott de Bie
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I think inter-species romance between creatures of vastly different builds is possible, but probably rare based on the laws of attraction. If a minotaur is into a human, that's the exception, rather than the rule, and probably has a lot to do with the human's prowess (as with Mina, which Sage brought up) or distinct powers of charm and enthrallment that operate on the creature (beauty charms the savage beast, etc). It also helps when the minotaur isn't raised among other minotaurs or used to be human and is now cursed--nature is important, but nurture can have a major effect.

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"It's like beauty and the beast- but if anyone else calls you a beast, I'll have them killed."- Joker to Vicki Vale, "Batman".


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Well, I don't approve of all this racial crossing over intermingly and making babies etc. Just my personal opinion. Mycharacters membody this idea collectively though, as Alystra can attest too ;)
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quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie

It also helps when the minotaur isn't raised among other minotaurs or used to be human and is now cursed--nature is important, but nurture can have a major effect.
I think there's probably a religious component to consider as well.

Like the Mina example I offered above. I don't think her minotaur army would've had such love for her, if she had not also been held in such high esteem by the One God [Takhasis].

That overall place in their faith, I think, raised her lowly "human" to divine champion. Which is certainly an aspect of her person that the faithful minotaurs of the One God, could appreciate.

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This past weekend I was thrown a curve ball. The party hooked up with a traveling carnival while crossing Tethyr a while back, acting as additional security. Since it's a carnival I had thrown in a diverse number of humanoids to break up the mix a bit: Gnome acrobats, Elven fortune teller, An attractive female firbolg performing under the guise of being the worlds tallest human, lizard man reptile handlers,etc...I rolled stats for a number of the significant ones they would interact with to give the setting depth.

One of the male dwarf PC's had become friends with the female firbolg over several sessions. This past session he made a number or romantic overtures. And asked her to marry him stating he could make her happy. As a slap in the face to the laws of probability he critical successed all his charisma rolls toward her. So I let them hook up, and after the obligatory roll 3d4 joke, I didn't expect it to go any further.

However the player in question is quite serious about it. Which brings us to the religion and family part. They are both fighters. And i know according to Fr11 Dwarves Deep, half dwarves can be produced from (humans, elves, gnomes, and halfling). And other characters in the game have had dwarf/human and dwarf/halfling dalliances. But a 9 foot tall firbolg is a bit of a stretch, no pun intended.

As for the families, the PC dwarf already joked his family had already disowned him twice in the past what was once more. And meeting the in laws when all this is over could make for some interesting roleplay. But not sure how this should play out…. Opinions?

The PC dwarf cleric in the party advised the male dwarf in question to pray to Sharindlar. (i.e. he dodged)

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BEAST
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Oh, come on! We've all seen pics of animalistic femmes in fantasy pics that seemed kinda kinky. And then there are Real World "furries" who really push the envelope of bizarro-sexy. Those can all be very weird, but at least a little hot, at the same time.

(Where did ancient civilizations get the idea of sticking women's breasts on a bird or lion's torso in the first place?)

The effect that those fantasy femmes and "furries" have on humans seems to justify Wooly's notion of a minotaur who might be sweet on a human female.

I was initially just responding to Alystra's notion of finding even members of somewhat-ugly species, such as Klingons, still attractive in a primal sense. Certainly, I wouldn't want to actually get close to those teeth or bad manners!

But I don't know if there are any definite hard-and-fast rules about "romance" (emotional bonds beyond a merely primal attraction) with said parties, though. Religion and culture might disfavor it, but certain individuals might defy either of those.

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Ayrik
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Gouf — Giants and dwarves have all sorts of mythological associations. In some they are descended from some common creator or race, in others they are categorically incompatible.

I would advise reading FR11 Dwarves Deep and FOR7 Giantcraft ... basically, both products (especially the latter) encourage DMs to be judicious and creative with the lore they accept as "canon" at their tables. Thus, the matter of dwarf-giantkin offspring would probably also be entirely left to the DM.

I don't know of any existing dwarf-giant characters. There are a number of (usually very tall) people named "Giantkin" or "Stormkin" and such throughout Faerūn, which suggests that human-giant pairings are possible.

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quote:
Originally posted by BEAST

Oh, come on! We've all seen pics of animalistic femmes in fantasy pics that seemed kinda kinky. And then there are Real World "furries" who really push the envelope of bizarro-sexy. Those can all be very weird, but at least a little hot, at the same time.

(Where did ancient civilizations get the idea of sticking women's breasts on a bird or lion's torso in the first place?)

The effect that those fantasy femmes and "furries" have on humans seems to justify Wooly's notion of a minotaur who might be sweet on a human female.

I was initially just responding to Alystra's notion of finding even members of somewhat-ugly species, such as Klingons, still attractive in a primal sense. Certainly, I wouldn't want to actually get close to those teeth or bad manners!

But I don't know if there are any definite hard-and-fast rules about "romance" (emotional bonds beyond a merely primal attraction) with said parties, though. Religion and culture might disfavor it, but certain individuals might defy either of those.



I'm not a fan of the furries, myself. And even bringing it up makes me less inclined to have my minotaur like human/demihuman women... Erik had brought up some good points, earlier, but playing the furry card cinches it: my minotaur will be one of those bachelor types that is content to be single.

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The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I'm not a fan of the furries, myself. And even bringing it up makes me less inclined to have my minotaur like human/demihuman women... Erik had brought up some good points, earlier, but playing the furry card cinches it: my minotaur will be one of those bachelor types that is content to be single.

Does your demihuman woman example have any religious standing, like my Mina example from earlier? What is your minotaur character's religious proclivities?

There is still a way to make this work, especially since the concept of "furries" doesn't necessarily have to be the "be all-end all" of the relationship between minotaur and demihuman.

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Alystra Illianniis
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Wooly, keep in mind that furries are people who just DRESS like animals- they don't have any actual animal atributes themselves.

That said, there's this guy: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.shotbykevin.com/2_galleries/portraits/photos/previews/26-Stalking%2520Catp.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.shotbykevin.com/2_galleries/portraits/index.html&usg=__-GjnyzSKEYpZq3-cebgohbUH0jI=&h=425&w=600&sz=82&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=uwEx4y96wtRmTM:&tbnh=113&tbnw=151&ei=d_OLTeLQDZOWsgOa5MSICQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3DStalking%2BCat%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DX%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1260%26bih%3D530%26tbm%3Disch%26prmd%3Divns&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=738&vpy=120&dur=2645&hovh=189&hovw=267&tx=95&ty=114&oei=d_OLTeLQDZOWsgOa5MSICQ&page=1&ndsp=24&ved=1t:429,r:5,s:0

Stalking Cat and others like him take the animal-attribute idea to the extreme, which most people probably would not find attractive. Personally, I am intrigued, though I don't think I'd want to date one of them. A little TOO extreme. But as far as "furries" go, I can certainly see how some people might be interested in beings that truly are part animal (catfolk, lycanthropes, etc.).

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I'm not a fan of the furries, myself. And even bringing it up makes me less inclined to have my minotaur like human/demihuman women... Erik had brought up some good points, earlier, but playing the furry card cinches it: my minotaur will be one of those bachelor types that is content to be single.

Does your demihuman woman example have any religious standing, like my Mina example from earlier? What is your minotaur character's religious proclivities?

There is still a way to make this work, especially since the concept of "furries" doesn't necessarily have to be the "be all-end all" of the relationship between minotaur and demihuman.




I actually don't have any specific females in mind for him, I was more pondering the possibility. Of the two women in his party, one is a better match for one of the other characters, and the other isn't a really good match for any of them.

Takk (my minotaur) would readily worship Cayden Cailean, if he was a Realms deity. Since he's not (and since Takk isn't from Golarion, but from another, unnamed and mostly undetailed world), Takk mostly worships Lathander, Tymora, Shaundakul, and Selūne. Shaundakul because he enjoys traveling and seeing new things, Tymora because she's a must for every adventurer, Selūne simply because her ethos appeals to him, and Lathander because most of his adventuring party worships Lathander. Also, when he arrived in the Realms, it was in Myth Drannor, and one of the first people he met was a priest of Lathander, who took him to the Dawnspire, where he stayed for several months before setting out with his new party. He prolly favors Selūne more than the rest, since he's pretty much the only minotaur in Waterdeep and her ethos of acceptance makes him feel more welcome.

Takk is big, laid-back and direct, and values two things most: friendship and alcohol. Part of his enthusiasm in buying an inn with his friends was so that he could brew his own ale.

He's a natural-born minotaur who grew up in a nation of minotaurs, so he's accustomed to minotaur females. When Erik brought up that angle, it was what made me realize it's not all that likely that Takk would be into demihuman women -- they're just not what he was raised on, so to speak.

And unlike the minotaurs who followed Mina, he's not going to follow someone for purely religious reasons. The leader of his adventuring group is a woman, but he follows her out of friendship, the fact that she's a good leader, and because he's content to let leadership go to someone who demonstrates an ability at it (kinda like the Heroes of the Lance and Tanis).

I'm not knocking the idea of him being attracted to human/demihuman women because of my distaste for the furry genre... I've got nothing against the idea of catpeople, for example, and in fact like that particular idea. But it was the mention of furries that brought the whole thing home for me. I've seen some of the erotic furry artwork that's out there, and there's been no small amount of it that has baffled me, because I couldn't see the appeal. A minotaur would fit into some of that furry artwork, quite readily... I should like to think that I'm not overly picky on who I consider attractive, but if a picture of shapely cow-person doesn't do anything for me, it's pretty reasonable to assume that a cow-person isn't going to be all that attracted to a human.

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Dalor Darden
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I would like to add some of Ed Greenwood's "creationary imaginings" on Halfling romances with other races.

Anyone that reads The Five Shires by Ed Greenwood will see MANY instances of Halflings being romantically involved with all manner of races from Humans, Dwarves, Elves and etc.

It was a solid insight into something like this for me...and one of the reasons I've pulled away from my dislike of the halfling race (not the romance part...but the writing as a whole).

I suggest reading it...it is awesome work.

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Erik Scott de Bie
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DD, that sounds like a good question to ask Ed in his scroll.

(Also, re: this thread: OMG, IT'S ALIVE!!!)

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quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie

And now for something completely different . . .

In honor of a discussion I had recently, I'm doing what I promised/threatened to do, which is this:

Halfling + Human romance. Icky?

Discuss!

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Erik, please don't! Yes I think it's icky and I prefer not seeing it in your future novels...

(...which I would probably not be able to read anyway because not downloadable outside of the US...)

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So in a fantasy setting, when a farmer lets some passers-through sleep in his barn, its not his daughters he necessarily has to worry about?

"Hey you! don't you be eyeing up ol' Bessy, ya hear? Dang minotaurs...."

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Originally posted by skychrome

Erik, please don't! Yes I think it's icky and I prefer not seeing it in your future novels...
Have no fear, SC. Though I'm very curious as to *why* you think it's icky.

Is it the height thing? Because there are height-challenged people in our own world who have all kinds of relationships with average-height people. Academy Award winning actor Peter Dinklage, for instance--though maybe you think the Tyrion Lannister thing is icky.

Not challenging your view, merely asking you to explain?

quote:
(...which I would probably not be able to read anyway because not downloadable outside of the US...)
They're working on that, apparently. I've heard rumors but nothing confirmed. You'll know more when I know more.

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This may seem a little weird, but the thing that bothers me most about this isn't the romance or the sex really... it's pregnancy.

Maybe it's because I'm a woman, but when I think about the developing baby, it worries me. Consider the case of a human father and a halfling wife. Her hips are going to be teeny, the birth canal smaller, and there's a likely chance the baby will have a giant human baby head. We're talking pain. Episiotomy for sure.

Frankly, I'd insist on a mage to deliver that big headed baby by teleportation. Because natural delivery... just... ouch. *shudder*


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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

As for me, I always thought Olive Ruskettle was hot, but I'm a sick bastitch.




I've always been partial to the halfling thief on the cover of Dragon 285: tinyurl.com/6vut9gl
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quote:
Originally posted by rjfras

quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

As for me, I always thought Olive Ruskettle was hot, but I'm a sick bastitch.




I've always been partial to the halfling thief on the cover of Dragon 285: tinyurl.com/6vut9gl



That link doesn't work mate.

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Is this what you're talking about? Paizo archives, Dragon issue 285

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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie

Is this what you're talking about? Paizo archives, Dragon issue 285

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I saw that and immediately thought "Barbarella".

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I've thought more on this since reading again several various things.

I've come to a simple solution: a full grown person is a full grown person.

All awkward notions aside, an adult is an adult...and as long as the relationship is between two consenting adults...I don't see a problem.

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quote:
Originally posted by Therise

This may seem a little weird, but the thing that bothers me most about this isn't the romance or the sex really... it's pregnancy.

Maybe it's because I'm a woman, but when I think about the developing baby, it worries me. Consider the case of a human father and a halfling wife. Her hips are going to be teeny, the birth canal smaller, and there's a likely chance the baby will have a giant human baby head. We're talking pain. Episiotomy for sure.

Frankly, I'd insist on a mage to deliver that big headed baby by teleportation. Because natural delivery... just... ouch. *shudder*

I guess three-quarterling delivery would need to be a rare subset specialty of the midwifery profession in Faerūn, then, huh?

They probably have really huge shoehorns hanging by the front door!

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