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Synthalus
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Posted - 03 Feb 2011 :  01:08:09  Show Profile  Visit Synthalus's Homepage Send Synthalus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
As long as the halfling females name isn't bridget i'm down with it! LOL

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quote:
Originally posted by Dalor Darden

Thinking a bit more on this, I came to a realization that many people that play D&D these days don't remember the days when halflings were predominantly a short round human.

I know that sounds simplistic, but it is true. Halflings, especially in the Forgotten Realms, were indeed so closely affiliated with humanity that the two could seldom be seen seperately where halflings were to be found at all.

With the coming of the "Kender Shaped" Halflings...well, things changed a lot!

Myself, I have refused to allow Halflings in my games be anything other than how they were originally used in the Forgotten Realms/D&D back in 1st Edition. Kender belong in Krynn...

Now, as to how that relates to the topic at hand, essentially looking at a halfling simply renders a short...yet ADULT looking...human. So in that context, I see nothing wrong at all.

As to dwarves and humans...whatever floats your boat eh?



I have to disagree... The Finder's Stone trilogy came pretty early in the published history of the Realms, and Olive Ruskettle was neither round nor described as being unusual for not having that shape.

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Dalor Darden
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Dalor Darden

Thinking a bit more on this, I came to a realization that many people that play D&D these days don't remember the days when halflings were predominantly a short round human.

I know that sounds simplistic, but it is true. Halflings, especially in the Forgotten Realms, were indeed so closely affiliated with humanity that the two could seldom be seen seperately where halflings were to be found at all.

With the coming of the "Kender Shaped" Halflings...well, things changed a lot!

Myself, I have refused to allow Halflings in my games be anything other than how they were originally used in the Forgotten Realms/D&D back in 1st Edition. Kender belong in Krynn...

Now, as to how that relates to the topic at hand, essentially looking at a halfling simply renders a short...yet ADULT looking...human. So in that context, I see nothing wrong at all.

As to dwarves and humans...whatever floats your boat eh?



I have to disagree... The Finder's Stone trilogy came pretty early in the published history of the Realms, and Olive Ruskettle was neither round nor described as being unusual for not having that shape.



I'm glad we can disagree. Olive wasn't unusual, no...but nor was she the "common" halfling as described in ye ol' box o' grey; nor that described in the Monster Manual on page 50:

"Halflings are basically hard-working, ordlerly and peaceful citizens of communities similar to humans..." (I'll admit that is talking about their communities; but it shows a similarity to humans)..."Of ruddy complexion, halflings tend toward brown or sandy brown hair colorations...Tallfellow: A taller (4 +'), slimmer halfling, with fairer skin and hair..."

This to me meant that the Tallfellows were dang near the height of short humans, as humans could be shorter than five feet in height.

So to me, the lines between Halflings THEN and what are passing for Halflings NOW are far different...thus my feeling that a tall halfling and a short human may very well have not been distinguishable one beside the other.

Olive, well, perhaps she just had a bit of Tallfellow in her after all...

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Markustay
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quote:
Originally posted by Synthalus

As long as the halfling females name isn't bridget i'm down with it! LOL
Why? Bridget is pretty, and it has nothing to do with her size. Old-school porn-star midgets were pretty... gruesome. She actually changed my mind about 'little people' being 'weird looking'. I think I even used her as a reference here at the keep once (and got in trouble with Wooly for posing a link). I would have to say she disproves my own bias of 'kink', since I find her attractive despite her size (and NOT because of it).

I normally prefer my women quite a bit taller, but she has broadened my horizons, so to speak. Ergo, I would have to say that any story Erik does featuring such a couple would be fine, since I am sure he would handle it with class (PLEASE avoid the Tinker-Gnome thing, or the 'classy' aspect may go out the window).

If you DO use the Tinker-Gnome in-story, I would say only use it as an off-hand comment by the halfling to an overly inquisitive human, which may or may not be entirely true (thus getting you off the hook in regards to the taudry aspect). I can then see the human looking at the female and saying "He was joking, wasn't he?", and her just smiling demurely and walking away.

When in doubt, take a page from the 'Ed-handbook'... leave the reader unsure about what really happened.

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Alisttair
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There's far too much knowledge about porn-star midgets in here lol. Hey, female halflings are the perfect height, especially if you're tall....

Ummm anyways, if a Halfling and a Human have a child, is said child a Quarterling???

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quote:
Originally posted by Alisttair

There's far too much knowledge about porn-star midgets in here lol. Hey, female halflings are the perfect height, especially if you're tall....

Ummm anyways, if a Halfling and a Human have a child, is said child a Quarterling???



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Ozzalum
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Posted - 03 Feb 2011 :  12:30:11  Show Profile  Visit Ozzalum's Homepage  Send Ozzalum a Yahoo! Message Send Ozzalum a Private Message  Reply with Quote
May I bring some math into this subject? Thanks...

So I am the father of a 3ft tall human female. She is slim for her age, weighing in at 32 lbs or so. I think she has the potential to be quite tall, so for simplicity's sake, let's say she will top out at 6ft. If she kept her current appearance and were simply scaled up by a factor of 2, her weight would scale with the cube. So she would weigh 32x2^3 or 256lbs. That's certainly within the realm of possibility but I (and medical science) would no longer consider her slim.

Alternatively, if you took a tall woman with an adventurer's build, say 6ft, 160lbs (again for simplicity's sake) and scaled her down to 3ft, she'd weigh 20lbs. That's really really little.

Obviously something's up. I think I can say, (with mathematical certainty!) there is a difference between a 4yr old and miniature 25 yr old. A fact for which I am quite grateful as the father of a 4 yr old.

My advice to WotC if they are thinking of introducing the potential for a human male, halfling female romance would be to feature said female halfling on the cover, and make it extremely obvious she is actually a small curvy woman. And then have the couple find a mage to do some transmuting, because no matter how in love they are, she probably weighs less than 20lbs, and that's just silly.

And just to be extra safe, I'd skip Halflings and go straight to pixies, because I think that crosses the line to truly absurd and thus non threatening. Though of course Rule whatever still applies, I'm sure.

As for the non physical aspects, Halflings are much more accessible to humans than any of the other races. They hang out together, share culture, live similar lifespans. I could see a lasting relationship forming easily. As a comparison, humans and elves are radically different. Human/elf relationships are all about guys wanting a girl who is forever young and writers not thinking too realistically about the elf. That's why there aren't any major "romanceable" races with shorter lifespans than humans, because it would get people really thinking. "I love her, she's great, but she'll be dead before my kids are out of grade school. Oh gods, it's worse than that, our kids will only live to be 35!"

The only race I can think of like that are Centaurs, and I left my standard issue 10 ft pole at home. So I'm not touching that.
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Ayrik
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A problem with the math is that it assumes halflings and humans have no differences other than scale. Halflings might be similar to humans but they aren't humans: they have different builds and body types, different musculature and proportions, etc. Game descriptions place them closer to around 40-50 pounds, which is still really tiny but much less incompatible than 20 pounds.

I do recall halflings being thought of more as rounder in early D&D. Though they're not actually described that way in the text, maybe they were depicted as such in some of the sourcebook/magazine artwork. Or quite probably influenced by the pudgy hobbits in the (1978) animated Lord of the Rings film. Halflings were described as somewhat more slender and athletic in 2E, very much like the 1E Kender were. I know they've been "sexed up" in 4E (though the designers despise that description).

So a human and a halfling fall in love. Big deal. I somehow doubt D&D authors will describe the arrangement inappropriately or in sufficient sordid and erotic detail to pervert PG13 readers. As hormonal as those kids might be, they'll probably focus on the game stats more than the romance. The unsophistication of youth makes things easier in some ways, allowing authors to convey layers of "adult" meaning the younger audience won't perceive.

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Markustay
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I was tired when I posted last night, so my point may not have come across correctly.

Basically, the gist of it is that I am not 'into' little people, but if the right one came along I suppose I could overlook anything, because at the end of the day being able to get along counts for a LOT more then physical attraction.

Oh, and in 4e halflings are 4' tall now, so that's not nearly as bad. You may have to give them the 'rounder' appearance of the old-school halflings though to make it work. Ozzalum makes an excellent point about weight distribution, and the logistics of such a coupling could get very... damaging?

The thought of a female halfling 'on the bottom' is still disturbing to me, and the male halfling 'on top' is just too comical. Erik, you really have your work cut out for you to pull this off.

If you look at one of the old novel covers there is a pic of Olive Ruskettle, and she looks very pretty and very much an adult, despite her size, so a great artist will go a long way in delivering the correct message. Note she is 'full-figured' (Classic 'hour glass'), but certainly not 'fat'. I understand you plan for the male to be the halfling, but I'm not sure how to make a tiny little man look more... manly.

Bear in mind it is canonical (in several settings) that urban halflings are considered great thieves because they can appear as children, so their is an unpleasant precedent set in canon lore in that regard.

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Erik Scott de Bie
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Oh, I'm not doing a human x halfling romance (wow, that sounded bad!) in my novel--it was just a fun hypothetical.

I think the math on human height/weight ratios is a little wonky. Weight doesn't scale in a consistent way with height, particularly as you get to higher heights. My doctor, for instance, was convinced I was constantly overweight after I hit about 6'2, when in reality I was quite appropriate for my shape (even slender). I am currently 6'7", weigh about 250 lbs, and to look at me, you'd probably think I was the right weight for my height. (A lot of people are surprised when I tell them I weight that much--I really don't look like it.)

As the body grows, you physiognomy changes, altering your weight drastically. Men get more muscle, which is heavier, so they tend to be heavier than women. Also, the taller you get, the more variability in weight you have: how else does one explain 6 foot tall supermodels who weigh under 120? I don't know how heavy a 6 foot tall woman is *supposed* to be, but I don't think it's unreasonable for her to be anywhere in the 120-200 scale, or even above that.

As for the halfling scoundrel in my book, if you picture a 4-ft Johnny Depp with filed teeth in an outfit that is half Jack Sparrow, half Bill the Butcher, that's more along the lines.

And in his case, it's definitely not the size that counts, but how you use it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
I am currently 6'7", weigh about 250 lbs, and to look at me, you'd probably think I was the right weight for my height. (A lot of people are surprised when I tell them I weight that much--I really don't look like it.)



Dang and I'm the one who wrestles on weekends at 5'10" 200lbs.
How about we switch jobs or bodies??

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quote:
Originally posted by Ozzalum
And just to be extra safe, I'd skip Halflings and go straight to pixies, because I think that crosses the line to truly absurd and thus non threatening. Though of course Rule whatever still applies, I'm sure.

It's been done, the human x pixie thing. Well, sort of... for comedy (of an adult nature). See "The Legend of Neil" web mini-movies for the very NSFW humor.

Hilarious, and sorta "Eeewwww!"

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Y'know, as somebody intimated upthread, even weird love is better than no love at all, and sometimes weird love is what shows up in your life.

Getting hung up on the physical mechanics of the sex act, when sex is just one part of the endlessly complex nature of relationships between people who are attracted to one another, strikes me as a little, I don't know... Let's just say that the image of a halfling and a human having sex isn't one of things I find uncomfortable about this thread.

Michael Blumlein wrote a very provocative short story about this topic for The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction back in the nineties. "Paul and Me" is the story of a man in the early 1970s who winds up having an affair with Paul Bunyan, and while the "mechanics" are handled tastefully it's still a challenging piece in terms of requiring the reader to make some mature choices about how to receive the work. It was reprinted in the 50th anniversary Best From F&SF volume, and I think at least part of it can be read via google books.

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BEAST
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quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie

This specific situation involved a male halfling who "had a thing" for a female human. In case that changes the issue any (and why?).

Hopefully this doesn't offend anyone because it relies on stereotypes, but it is my understanding that we males are more visually oriented, while women are generally more emotionally oriented.

It is possible that the male halfling might find a human female visually appealing, while most human males might find a female halfling somehow visually off. There's also a potential issue of mechanical . . . clearances/tolerances.

On the other hand, a female human might find a way to appreciate a halfling male as a co-worker or friend first, and then gradually warm up to him, and allow her heart to overlook the physical disparities.

(RAS's "The Sellswords" spoiler:)

Rumors have floated around for years in fan circles that human male Artemis Entreri appeared to have been developing "a thing" for female halfling Dwahvel Tiggerwillies in Calimport. This would have almost certainly arisen from professional respect and interpersonal trust first, versus physical attraction.

However, later, Entreri is clearly said to have been physically intimate with the half-elf Calihye in "The Sellswords" series.

And yet, when that series drew to a close, a somewhat reformed Artemis vowed that he would return to Calimport and Miss Tiggerwillies...

Bob, himself, has joked online about such rumors, but he has never officially confirmed them.

Entreri's involvement with Dwahvel, however one wishes to read it, occurred when he was thinking clearly and level-headedly. His relationship with Calihye took place when he was under the influence of a certain mind-altering item, so his demonstrably greater physical attraction to the half-elf under those circumstances might not be a reliable indicator of his true feelings.

His latest novel, Gauntlgrym, vaguely references a past-lover being paraded in front of the assassin, but her exact identity is not revealed. It's probably Calihye, but one never knows.

(/spoiler)



quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie

quote:
Originally posted by Alisttair

Erik, was this partly brought on by the closed thread about Drow Incest mayhaps?

No--that thread got closed? What a surprise!

Aye, it did, and before I could give clear quotes from Bob's books supporting the titular thesis.

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Read a book called Grunts. Its about orcs
who get trained by a transplanted marine
and who find military hardware in a dragons
horde.
When you get to the halfling orc romance, let me
know how feel about it.
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quote:
Originally posted by BEAST

Hopefully this doesn't offend anyone because it relies on stereotypes, but it is my understanding that we males are more visually oriented, while women are generally more emotionally oriented.


It's my understanding that it is not a stereotype, and that it has been proven: men's brains are wired differently, and one of those differences is that visual input is far more important to a man than it is to a woman.

I think it's very easy to prove that, as well: look at how many images or videos one can find online, on TV, or in print media, that focus on showing us scantily clad or naked women, as opposed to scantily clad or naked men. I know I've seen far more visual media that cater to men, as opposed to catering to women.

Heck, I know of at least half a dozen places nearby that have female strippers -- prolly more than half a dozen, but that's all I can name immediately. So far as I know, there isn't a single place in the area with male strippers.

It's also been proven that a man staring at an attractive woman actually has a beneficial effect on his health. A very minor one, but still a beneficial one.

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Alystra Illianniis
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Regarding the halfling/human idea. I'd like to point out the world's smallest man (2.5 feet!!) was married to a perfectly normal-sized woman (5'10", I believe, or thereabouts). Granted, he recently died, but if they could fall in love and have kids (normal-sized, IIRC), then I see no reason why that would not work with a halfling. And there have been plenty of other big/small relationships on both sides of the scale, so, what the heck- why NOT?! Though I have to admit the first thought in my mind is not about he child analogy some here seem to have, but the simple physical aspect. Then again, I've heard it said that little people are not necessarily "proportionate", and I'll leave it at that.

Wooly, you have a good point, although I know of at least one place in my own area with male strippers. (And yes, I've been there, ME-OOW!!!) I will, however, also point out that in that same area, there are at least a half-dozen clubs with female strippers. So, yeah....

@ BEAST: About that "other" thread, I had some quotes as well, which I posted in my "Stupid Question Time" thread, in case you're interested. Since the relevant thread was closed before I got them in it, I moved the quotes there. And I still don't believe that particular subject is really valid, but that's just me. Let's just say I'm highly skeptical about how frequently that sort of thing would ever occur.

Also, I was fairly convinced that Artemis had a relationship with Dwahvel, too. It just seemed to make sense. Guess we'll never know.

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quote:
Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis

@ BEAST: About that "other" thread, I had some quotes as well, which I posted in my "Stupid Question Time" thread, in case you're interested. Since the relevant thread was closed before I got them in it, I moved the quotes there.

Thanks for the heads up. I went ahead and posted over there.

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I mentioned a few other human/creature couplings in my first post in this thread (from non-FR sources), but there is a very famous precedent in FR itself - Draegloths.

Now that's ICKY.

Human/halfling relations are tame by comparison.

Also, if you read the Stonelands supplement (EE), you will see that Orcs do interbreed with goblins, which is theoretically even ickier if you consider the hulking size of most orcs and the puny stature of goblins. Yet, just because they are humanoids, it doesn't seem to bother anyone.

I believe someone already mentioned that story from Realms of Infamy, in which the focus of the story is the product of a human raping a female goblin. DOUBLE Icky.

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Halfling + Human = Yes, please.

When I played NWN for the first time, waaaay back when, I adored Tomi Undergallows and wished he'd been a viable romantic interest in the game. There's something adorably charming about a mischievous, pint-sized suitor. Do want!

Now, as long as the character was of a suitable appearance and age of consent, meaning adult and willing. Three foot isn't bad as long as the individual looks adult enough to handle having a vigorous, larger-sized human lover. 3'10 to 4'2 (per 4e) is better.

For a female like me (human, height of 5'6" on a good day), having a halfling lover sounds sexy, but then so does getting it on with a dwarf or an elf. Or anything, really. I even fancied Deekin from NWN.
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I'm gonna go ahead and throw my hat into the "height isn't that important" ring. I'm 6'1", 215lbs last time I got on a scale. I've been in two relationships with women over a foot shorter than me(4'11" and 4'10" respectively) as well as a relationship with a woman who was taller than me by an inch or two; height wasn't a major factor in any of said relationships.

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I'll add to that with the admission that I am only 5 ft, and my hubby of ten + years is over six foot. Makes for some back-bending when we kiss on his part, but otherwise, we don't care. The up side to it is that I get someone to reach those high shelves, and HE gets someone to get to the low stuff!

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Gouf
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Posted - 15 Feb 2011 :  21:48:23  Show Profile  Visit Gouf's Homepage Send Gouf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I see no problem with it. Such relationships have existed in various forms/campaigns/gaming groups since I started playing back in the days of 1st ed and still continue today.

Other than the obvious consideration of scale, especially in a m/m or m/f relationship. The 18 Str Human with the 10 Con halfling would have to be understandably tender and exercise restraint not to harm his lover.

So I say if the players want their characters to be together, go for it.

:)

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Edited by - Gouf on 15 Feb 2011 21:49:12
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Going to mention a non D&D novel that deals with this dynamic (Human/Dwarf). Dragondoom by Dennis L. Mckeirnan. Good Luck finding a copy it;s an old book circa early 90's when I got it. Has to be over 15+ years since I've read it, but it's a corking read. Not really got anything to say on the the human/halfling debate that hasn't already been said.

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quote:
Originally posted by Tamsar

Going to mention a non D&D novel that deals with this dynamic (Human/Dwarf). Dragondoom by Dennis L. Mckeirnan. Good Luck finding a copy it;s an old book circa early 90's when I got it. Has to be over 15+ years since I've read it, but it's a corking read. Not really got anything to say on the the human/halfling debate that hasn't already been said.



Thank you for the recommendation. It's readily available for purchase in ebook format. I just bought it on my Nook. :D

Along those lines the Human/Dwarf relations (and Half-dwarves)seem to be a staple. Mentioned in FR11 and a great module in Dungeon issue 69.

;)

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