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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 02 Feb 2011 :  03:07:22  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
And now for something completely different . . .

In honor of a discussion I had recently, I'm doing what I promised/threatened to do, which is this:

Halfling + Human romance. Icky?

Discuss!

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There are certain.. implications... when a grown man wants to have relations with a 3 foot tall person.

Just sayin'

As for me, I always thought Olive Ruskettle was hot, but I'm a sick bastitch.

I think no matter how you handle it, someone will get his 'jollies' from a story featuring such a romance, despite how classy you portray it. I don't think you can really avoid that - and I've read about worse 'affairs', one in Throne of Bones (girl on ghoul), and one in one of the Majipoor Chronicles (girl on reptile-dude), so halflings are pretty tame by comparison.

There is also an Elf/Treant affair in the 2e Complete Book of Elves (IIRC), which is kinda nasty.

Female Dwarves with anyone (but a gnome) is just WRONG (I still can't wash the 2e images of bearded dawrfettes out of my head). Besides, they all look like Russian Olympic Shot-putters.

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Ayrik
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D&D humans will apparently breed with anything and anybody. You could do a lot worse than a halfling.

D&D halflings might be prejudiced against such relationships with the misshapen tall races. Then again, halflings as a people are noted for being easy-going, lazy, and tolerant (if not downright permissive, lugubrious, and insouciant). I'd imagine this halfling would likely hail from a human city/culture instead of some distant underburrow halfshire, so human-halfling intercourse seems almost inevitable.

My question is what would the half-halfling offspring of such a union be called? A three-quarterling?

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Not icky...perhaps, difficult?

In a Forgotten Realms perspective, I'd say the hardest thing would be people frowning on a Human Male as having pedophilia by proxy perhaps...

In our own real world, I've seen vast differences in height between couples. As an example: a 6'9" man having a girlfriend who was only 5'2"...

I would say that many readers might look at it as the less tolerable case of by proxy I mentioned earlier...it is after all the first thing I thought of.

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quote:
Originally posted by Arik

D&D halflings might be prejudiced against such relationships with the misshapen tall races.
Didn't classic (pre-3e) 'Tallfellows' have a smattering of Elvish blood, and 'Stouts' some Dwarvish blood?

I think that old-school lore eradicates the notion that halflings aren't willing to participate in inter-species fornication.

Edit: I would also assume Gnome/Halfilings are a given, at least pre-4e. Probably where we get the occasional bearded hobbit from.

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Dennis
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Oh, where to begin...?

Height. Right. That's it. I say it depends on their height. A 6-foot tall human and a 3-foot tall halfling? That's like doin'... Well, I leave the rest to your rich imagination.

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Kentinal
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Love is where the heart finds it.
As to the character Kentinal, if it looks female fair game (There again Kentinal was to die an early death because of his evil nature - the reason the character was first made).

@Markustay you bring a bias to the discussion, there is nothing that says human male and halfling female it could clearly be other sided.

In RW there are "normal" people that marry "little people" and I have never seen much outrage about it.


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Dennis
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quote:
Originally posted by Kentinal

In RW there are "normal" people that marry "little people" and I have never seen much outrage about it.





Indeed. In fact, there's a famous place here in the Philippines where such a thing is rather "common."

But then we're talking about two VERY different species: human and halfling. So, maybe at first it's really icky. However, once you get used to the idea, it might sound "normal."

Didn't such a coupling ever happen in DL?

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Markustay
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quote:
Originally posted by Kentinal

Love is where the heart finds it.
As to the character Kentinal, if it looks female fair game (There again Kentinal was to die an early death because of his evil nature - the reason the character was first made).

@Markustay you bring a bias to the discussion, there is nothing that says human male and halfling female it could clearly be other sided.

In RW there are "normal" people that marry "little people" and I have never seen much outrage about it.
Unfortunately, I would think the exact same thing in the RW. I have to ask myself why the 'big person' was attracted to the 'little person' in the first place, to have made the initial approach - no-one walks across a bar and says "Hey! there's a person I'd love to be friends with!" There had to be something about the little person physically that caused the big person to be interested in the first place, and that leads to a rather unsavory line of reasoning. If the initial approach were the other way around, then I would not think anything odd.

As for your statement about the female being human... I'm just not seeing it (there are certain 'fulfillment issues' that I think a Halfling male can't measure-up to... but you never know).

I suppose in a fantasy world were all things are possible and magic is involved, you can get around any of the normal... inconveniences.

But I'll tell you one thing, in the RW, if Ogres were real, we'd all be complaining about them getting all the best tail.

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Ayrik
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Yes, half-kender exist. One is the protagonist (and plot) of a short story called Kender Stew.

I've always been against the notion of fantasy "genetics". Breeding an eagle with a panther in RL doesn't produce flying cat raptors.

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Dennis

Didn't such a coupling ever happen in DL?



Yes and no... No, in that there are no Krynnish halflings. Yes, in that kender are rather similar to halflings, and there was a half-kender in one of the Cloakmaster books. Gaeadrelle Goldring, as I recall.

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I was reading Halflings of Golarion today, and had a similar thought (no, it's not addressed in there). Yes, there is the height difference to seriously complicate matters -- especially the physics of getting physical (and I'm refraining from making the most obvious joke here; it's obvious, but too tasteless for me).

That said, I don't see such romances as being out of the question, or even icky. As long as it's consenting adults, and so long as they can make it work, it's all good.

Such romances would be rather uncommon, though. In a city the size of Waterdeep, I'd imagine less than half a dozen such couples.

I think a halfling family might be more accepting of a human mate than vice versa. It would depend on the cultures and individuals, of course, but I think halflings would generally be more accepting of it.

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There's also magic. Enlarge/Reduce, Change Self, Item, Polymorph, Telekinesis ... ah, I'll stop there.

I'm not sure all the half-human/half-? people in Faerūn are the result of unions between consenting adults.

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Dennis

Didn't such a coupling ever happen in DL?



Yes and no... No, in that there are no Krynnish halflings. Yes, in that kender are rather similar to halflings, and there was a half-kender in one of the Cloakmaster books. Gaeadrelle Goldring, as I recall.



I seem to recall a few brief mention of it in some of the DL novels I read. But it's been ages. I left DL long time ago. Not even my used-to-be favorite Raistlin could revive my interest in that world.

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Erik, it certainly can become icky.

I found this a few years ago, a web novel. In some ways not poorly written, - I have read worst.
http://www.the-minimizer.com/st01.html

The writers home page is http://www.the-minimizer.com/main.html which at least to me appears to have a kink.

There are many people out there.

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Dennis
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I think a halfling family might be more accepting of a human mate than vice versa. It would depend on the cultures and individuals, of course, but I think halflings would generally be more accepting of it.



Of course. Common Faerunians consider human a race higher than halfling. Even the haughty elves think so.

That's like saying a peasant will be more accepting to having a relationship with a prince than vice versa.

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Dennis
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quote:
Originally posted by Kentinal

Erik, it certainly can become icky.

I found this a few years ago, a web novel. In some ways not poorly written, - I have read worst.
http://www.the-minimizer.com/st01.html

The writers home page is http://www.the-minimizer.com/main.html which at least to me appears to have a kink.

There are many people out there.



That sketch in ADVENTURES IN MINIATURIZATION is plain disturbing.

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quote:
Originally posted by Dennis



That sketch in ADVENTURES IN MINIATURIZATION is plain disturbing.



I agree, I found it by accident, was searching for something else.

"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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Dennis
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The guy must have had some "issues" with women.

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quote:
Originally posted by Arik

Yes, half-kender exist. One is the protagonist (and plot) of a short story called Kender Stew.
Half-kender are rare, but there are two known cases -- Tarli Half-Kender and Scrounger. Some kender may look more mature than normal specimens of their race, perhaps enough that they look like young teenager. Enter in an adolescent boy with extreme hormone issues, and you get a half-kender.

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Dennis

Didn't such a coupling ever happen in DL?



Yes and no... No, in that there are no Krynnish halflings. Yes, in that kender are rather similar to halflings ...
Races of Ansalon elaborates on this a little, from an out-of-game perspective.

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Dennis

Didn't such a coupling ever happen in DL?



Yes and no... No, in that there are no Krynnish halflings. Yes, in that kender are rather similar to halflings, and there was a half-kender in one of the Cloakmaster books. Gaeadrelle Goldring, as I recall.

I seem to recall a few brief mention of it in some of the DL novels I read. But it's been ages. I left DL long time ago. Not even my used-to-be favorite Raistlin could revive my interest in that world.
I've been following DL material since the beginning, and I can recall no instances of halflings in any of the material published.

Mayhap it was an unofficial source you were reading?

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Dennis

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Dennis

Didn't such a coupling ever happen in DL?



Yes and no... No, in that there are no Krynnish halflings. Yes, in that kender are rather similar to halflings, and there was a half-kender in one of the Cloakmaster books. Gaeadrelle Goldring, as I recall.

I seem to recall a few brief mention of it in some of the DL novels I read. But it's been ages. I left DL long time ago. Not even my used-to-be favorite Raistlin could revive my interest in that world.
I've been following DL material since the beginning, and I can recall no instances of halflings in any of the material published.

Mayhap it was an unofficial source you were reading?




Not halflings. KENDER. Wooly already pointed it out that halflings don't exist in DL.

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Erik Scott de Bie
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Thanks for all the input.

This specific situation involved a male halfling who "had a thing" for a female human. In case that changes the issue any (and why?).

A corollary question: what are your views on a gnome/elf relationship? (For you 4e people, I mean either an "elf" or an "eladrin.")

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A couple f things that have not been brought up: While human-elf pairings seem more palatable from both the physical (attraction and sheer workability) and fantasy history (LoTR, for one) perspectives, I would think that hin and humans would be *more* likely to find lasting love, for totally non-physical reasons.
For one thing, the aspect of an elf outliving even 4 or 5 consecutive human lovers is avoided: Halflings aren't adults till their mid-30s or so, and only live to be 120-ish. If a 40 y.o. halfling meets a 22 year-old human, they have roughly the same life-expectancy. Furthermore, they have far more in common to begin with than the human and the elf- they speak the same languages (if they are from the same region), they eat the same foods, listen to the same sorts of music, and have much more in common from a religious perspective. I feel that overall, the hin and human cultures (esp. with hin living in human settlements) are more alike than they are different, whereas this is patently not true with humans and elves.
Having said all of that, I think that the attractiveness aspect of the equation keeps elves and humans going after each other in a short-term purely lust-based way FAR more than it would between a halfling and human.
Just playing devil's advocate a bit here. Good question, Erik.

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I always assumed that Halfings were all very "Captain Jack Harkness", i.e.: If it's sentient and attractive, go nuts!

If you don't get the reference, watch Doctor Who from 2005 on.

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