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Jelennet
Learned Scribe
Russia
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 Posted - 22 Jan 2011 : 05:39:17
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Are there any famous elven high mages in the Realms? Can you name them?
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Snowblood
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 22 Jan 2011 : 12:15:36
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| thats a very.....very long list... |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
2449 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2011 : 14:20:58
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| Agreed. Start with the Cormanthor box set, grab those from Elves of Evermeet, and for more fun read Elaine's Evermeet: Island of Elves, for high mages stretching back about 10,000 years. And that's just a sampling, and doesn't take into account anyone in the last, oh, 700 years. Or the sea elven high mages of Seros. Or the high mages of Nikerymath. Or Eaerlann. Or several other places. It's a long list. |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
1093 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2011 : 20:59:40
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| The most obvious being The Srinshee ofc! |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
1093 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2011 : 21:00:12
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| The most obvious being The Srinshee ofc! |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
1757 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2011 : 21:04:13
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| I can't say that any of them are famous, queen Amlaruil possibly |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
USA
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
2449 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 14:46:12
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| While I hate to disagree, the Srinshee is a high mage. Her write-up in Cormanthyr says so explicitly. |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 14:58:18
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
While I hate to disagree, the Srinshee is a high mage. Her write-up in Cormanthyr says so explicitly.
Amlaruil is not a High Mage, however has full access to High Elven Magic. I did not see any post that Srinshee was/is not a High Mage. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
1757 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 16:30:54
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| as far as I remember Amlaruil studied high magic in the Towers and became the main mage there |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 16:46:54
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Hmm, _Elves of Evermeet_ source book, 2nd indicates she is/was W20, with no indication of being High Mage.
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"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
1093 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jan 2011 : 15:03:11
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| Just a pointer... to clear something out. She was once the leader of the high-mages... because she was the best! |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
2449 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jan 2011 : 15:27:05
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Ah, I see my mistake. I missed Quale's post, so when Alystra said "she," I thought she meant the Srinshee. Too many "she's" running around I guess. My apologies.
And Quale's correct: Amlaruil is most definitely a high mage. The Evermeet novel makes this clear. She's serving as Grand Mage until she steps down and becomes Queen. |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
USA
3750 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jan 2011 : 18:32:52
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
While I hate to disagree, the Srinshee is a high mage. Her write-up in Cormanthyr says so explicitly.
I was referring to Amlaruil, not the Srinshee. I KNOW she is one. Hence the reason I mentioned the Kingblade in my post. And the reason Amlaruil has access to High Magic is because of the sword. She was not a High Mage before she inherited it. That came after she became the weilder. So, no, she's not "technically" a High Mage. She just uses it. The Kingblade allaows thatwith it's wielders, as does the Artblade, I believe. So whoever hold that one would be able to use High Magic, as well, whether they were a Hig Mage or not.... |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
2449 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jan 2011 : 19:32:03
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I think you're getting your magical swords confused, Alystra. The Rule Blade, with selu-kiira in the hilt, belongs to Myth Drannor. It's not, and never has been, associated with Evermeet.
Instead Evermeet has Zaor's moonblade, which might (iirc, and I'm afb so can't check) be called the King Blade. But it has no extra powers beyond those of a long-lived moonblade, and the status it confers as ruler of Evermeet.
Amlaruil learned high magic at the Towers of the Sun and Moon and later rose to lead the Towers, only stepping down from the post when she publicly married/revealed her connection with King Zaor. |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
USA
3750 Posts |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
1093 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2011 : 20:18:04
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OMG... im totally confused... |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2011 : 20:56:29
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quote:
Originally posted by Hoondatha
I think you're getting your magical swords confused, Alystra. The Rule Blade, with selu-kiira in the hilt, belongs to Myth Drannor. It's not, and never has been, associated with Evermeet.
Instead Evermeet has Zaor's moonblade, which might (iirc, and I'm afb so can't check) be called the King Blade. But it has no extra powers beyond those of a long-lived moonblade, and the status it confers as ruler of Evermeet.
Amlaruil learned high magic at the Towers of the Sun and Moon and later rose to lead the Towers, only stepping down from the post when she publicly married/revealed her connection with King Zaor.
Indeed. And I don't know of any references -- including Elves of Evermeet, which I just looked thru -- that says Amlaruil has to rely on any outside tools to be able to use High Magic. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2011 : 21:53:11
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Hmm, maybe I misread? For some reason though, I seem to remember that she did not start studying High Magic until after she took the sword. The FIRST time, mind you- when she held it while they were talking in a garden or something when he was still married to that other elf who was later killed after she and her (illegitimate) son both tried to claim the blade and failed.
I'm pretty sure she was already a High Mage when she first met Zaor. |
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althen artren
Senior Scribe
USA
780 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2011 : 21:54:44
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There is another sword in the elves of evermeet supplement
that allows for the bearer to use high magic, I just
don't remember the name right now. I have elves with
me on my break in 2 hours I'll bring back the name. |
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Rhewtani
Senior Scribe
USA
508 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2011 : 22:22:05
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| Althen - elves with you on your break ... that image is priceless. |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
USA
3750 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2011 : 22:36:01
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| Wooly, I don't have the book handy- it's in storage upstairs with most of my other stuff- but I think she was too young to be a High Mage when they met- she was still a maid then. I distinctly remember her being with a friend when they met, and there was a discussion between the two lasses about him, and she said something to the effect of having never even "known" a man. Pretty young (for an elf), obviously. She might have been a wizard, but certainly not powerful enough at that point to use High Magic. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2011 : 22:38:52
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| Well, I actually do have the pdf of Elves of Evermeet on a thumb drive in me pocket... I have a 16GB so it can accomodate all the game-related pdfs I have. |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
USA
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Erdrick Stormedge
Learned Scribe
132 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2011 : 22:47:59
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| The sword Ye refer'est too 'tis "Tahl'shara". Tis one of the three sacred treasures of the Isle... if I recollect'est correctly. |
Edited by - Erdrick Stormedge on 25 Jan 2011 22:48:55 |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
USA
3750 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2011 : 23:00:52
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| Aha! I found the page in EoE with her, and it would seem that her High Magic was a gift from the gods themselves- it is part of her connection to Evermeet, and would fade if she left. So, it seems I was half-right. She is not "technically" a High Mage, but is able to use it with no ill-effects that most High Mages might suffer. Otherwise, she is simply immortal and a wizard 20. |
The Goddess is alive, and magic is afoot.
"Where Science ends, Magic begins" -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491
"You idiots! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -Spaceballs
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
2449 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2011 : 23:09:23
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Part of the problem is that what exactly constitutes a "high mage" changed over the course of Second Edition. Remember, Elves of Evermeet significantly predates the Cormanthyr supplement that gave high mages their 2e game mechanics, and their lore background. (EoE came out in 1994, Cor was published in 1998)
What Elves of Evermeet considers a "high mage" is simply any elf that advanced past the elven racial class level limit. So by definition, Amlaruil is a "high mage," since she's listed as a W20.
Alystra is also right that there's something of an age problem with Amlaruil's first appearance in Evermeet: Island of Elves as an apprentice at the Towers of Sun and Moon, in that she's (iirc) described as an elven maiden, cavorting with another maiden in the presence of unicorns. However, remember that E:IoE was published in early 1998, which means it was written before the Cormanthyr supplement was published, which means it was working with the older definition of high magic.
Fortunately, Elaine Cunningham worked in a way for us to deal with this problem: E:IoE is a compilation put together by Danilo for Arilyn of stories and histories he's managed to finagle out of elves or people who know elves. Which means that anything in there could very easily be a lie (or at least a distortion). Amlaruil is later stated as being a high mage; I think an easy way to resolve this with Cormanthyr's version of high magic is that she's a bit older than she was originally presented. Maybe not the full three centuries, but she's clearly recognized as a magical genius, and so it's fully possible the high mages would have accepted her a bit early. And then she's an "apprentice" of the tower, in that she's an apprentice in high magic, even though she's already at or near archmagehood in normal wizard terms. |
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althen artren
Senior Scribe
USA
780 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2011 : 23:49:05
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| Yep Erdick's right. That's the one. Far too powerful for 2 edition. |
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althen artren
Senior Scribe
USA
780 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2011 : 23:50:54
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Well, the elves fan me and feed me grapes while I take ridiculous
calls from California people. Its the only way I stay sane.
Curiously, the company objects to them being totally nude.
I don't know why? |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
USA
3750 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jan 2011 : 03:04:15
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| Personally, I never saw a problem with the "high level" elves, as my own games never used the level cap in 2nd ed, and since it was a novel, Elaine's book didn't have to specify just how "high level" they were. Basically, the High Mages could be whatever level you wanted them to be. But even with thelevel cap, I always just ignored that for the books, since it is a story and not explicitly required to adhere to the rules of the game. I've said elsewhere that a novel should try to stick to the "rules" inherent in the setting in order to make sense both in and out of game, but after having those rules change through several edition changes, I just chalk it up to the way Magic changed between 2nd and 3rd ed. |
The Goddess is alive, and magic is afoot.
"Where Science ends, Magic begins" -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491
"You idiots! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -Spaceballs
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