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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 14 Dec 2011 :  03:19:18  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Blueblade, I don't think any of those three have been released yet, though I know the first two are both available for pre-order.
I also know of at least two projects Ed is involved in (that will appear, or in one case START to appear, next year) that Ed has either finished or finished some parts of, and at least two others that he's been invited to participate in (plus, of course, the next anthology he's doing with Gabrielle Harbowy). At least one of those projects should be very interesting to Realms fans.
However, I don't think Ed can talk about any of them, yet. That's just the nature of the beast. I'll send your query on to Ed, of course, to see what he can share...
love,
THO
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Dennis
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Posted - 14 Dec 2011 :  07:09:07  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message

Hi, Ed!

Upon its creation, did you base the phaerimm on some mythical or real creature? If so, what creature is it?

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 14 Dec 2011 :  17:25:09  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Dennis, I bring you these words, from Ed:

No, the Phaerimm weren't based on any real or mythical creature. Their SHAPE was based on the shape of some flowers in my garden (I'm a farmer and gardener); I was tending plants circa 1979 or so, and thought, "Now if this blossom could fly, with this part forward to be a huge biting maw, and I added arms and hands to wield magic items and the intellect to do so...hmm..."


So saith Ed. Creator of the Realms and a surprising number of the monsters now used by many in their D&D games.
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THO
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Dennis
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Posted - 14 Dec 2011 :  17:29:53  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message

Interesting, Ed. And again, thanks.

Are there other creatures you created which you based on flowers?

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Blueblade
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Posted - 14 Dec 2011 :  17:37:55  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
Hmmm. I think you're using the term "based on" more widely than most North Americans do. The shape of a critter is what first catches the eye, but the detailed ecologies (worked-out-detailed lives) of monsters is what sets the best beasties (for example, most of Ed's) apart from the rest.
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Dennis
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Posted - 15 Dec 2011 :  07:39:39  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message

Has Ao personally destroyed a god?

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The Sage
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Posted - 15 Dec 2011 :  14:36:38  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


Has Ao personally destroyed a god?

I'm not sure Ed could properly answer that query, since Ao isn't an Ed-creation.

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Dennis
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Posted - 15 Dec 2011 :  14:59:51  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


Has Ao personally destroyed a god?

I'm not sure Ed could properly answer that query, since Ao isn't an Ed-creation.

Well, I'm sure he's privy to information most people outside WotC are not.

If he says it's NDA, I would understand, of course.

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Ayrik
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Posted - 15 Dec 2011 :  15:10:53  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message
Ao was created by "Richard Awlinson" (Scott Ciencin, Troy Denning, James Lowder), under the purview of newcomer Wizards of the West Coast surreptitiously publishing AD&D 2nd Edition under the familiar TSR brand. As I recall, Ed initially seemed ... mildly displeased ... by this aptly-named Time of Troubles.

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Dennis
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Posted - 15 Dec 2011 :  15:36:28  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message

I'm sure this isn't the first time Ed is being asked about a character/entity he didn't create himself... So I'll just wait and see...

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Kajehase
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Posted - 15 Dec 2011 :  17:26:55  Show Profile Send Kajehase a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

Ao was created by "Richard Awlinson" (Scott Ciencin, Troy Denning, James Lowder), under the purview of newcomer Wizards of the West Coast surreptitiously publishing AD&D 2nd Edition under the familiar TSR brand. As I recall, Ed initially seemed ... mildly displeased ... by this aptly-named Time of Troubles.



Wizards of the Coast had nothing to do with TSR at this time. In fact, the first novel in the Avatar series was first printed in April 1989 - and WotC was founded by Peter Adkinson in 1990...

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 15 Dec 2011 :  19:10:56  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Kajehase

quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

Ao was created by "Richard Awlinson" (Scott Ciencin, Troy Denning, James Lowder), under the purview of newcomer Wizards of the West Coast surreptitiously publishing AD&D 2nd Edition under the familiar TSR brand. As I recall, Ed initially seemed ... mildly displeased ... by this aptly-named Time of Troubles.



Wizards of the Coast had nothing to do with TSR at this time. In fact, the first novel in the Avatar series was first printed in April 1989 - and WotC was founded by Peter Adkinson in 1990...



And it was a few years after that that TSR's finances came crashing down, and WotC rode to the rescue. I remember that time period -- I didn't have the internet to tell me what was going on, all I knew is that suddenly I wasn't getting any more new nifty stuff from TSR.

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Ayrik
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Posted - 15 Dec 2011 :  22:37:46  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message
Thanx for the correction ... my information was wrong.

Still ... not a lot of the people behind 2E are still on the D&D staff ...

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The Sage
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Posted - 16 Dec 2011 :  01:14:28  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
It's usually assumed that TSR come up with the concept of Ao and he was brought into the setting during the Time of Troubles -- through the 1e to 2e change over. As it stands, Ed has no idea on where TSR came up with the concept of Ao.

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Edited by - The Sage on 16 Dec 2011 01:18:55
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Markustay
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Posted - 16 Dec 2011 :  06:09:03  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
I've got a weird question for you Ed -

How old is your house?

And YES, this is an FR question.

Inspired by some discussion in the Earth/Toril connections thread.

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Eladrinstar
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Posted - 16 Dec 2011 :  06:52:31  Show Profile Send Eladrinstar a Private Message
I was reading Swords of Eveningstar, and it struck me that Jhessail seems to be a sorcerer, drawing spells seemingly out of her mind. While Martess seems a wizard "she casts spells out of books." I know the original campaign used 2e rules, so was that distinction made back then during play, or was that something added to make them familiar to a readership that was assumed to be more familiar with 3e rules?
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Dennis
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Posted - 16 Dec 2011 :  07:55:31  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message

This question is related to my previous query about common gestures...

What gestures or involuntary physical reactions (like yawning, farting, burping) that are common in most cultures but (ridiculously?) rude or offensive to some?

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Marc
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Posted - 16 Dec 2011 :  10:27:32  Show Profile Send Marc a Private Message
Hi, what is the origin of the names ''Damara'' and ''Impiltur'', are they named after a person, or a tribe, or something else?

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JamesLowder
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Posted - 17 Dec 2011 :  01:54:06  Show Profile  Visit JamesLowder's Homepage Send JamesLowder a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

It's usually assumed that TSR come up with the concept of Ao and he was brought into the setting during the Time of Troubles -- through the 1e to 2e change over. As it stands, Ed has no idea on where TSR came up with the concept of Ao.


Ao was created by the team who came up with the Time of Troubles concept, which was intended to explain the changes in the Realms caused by the move from first to second edition. As I recall, that initial concept team included Jim Ward, Mary Kirchoff, and Jeff Grubb, though I could be mistaken about Jeff, and there could have been others.

The core concepts handed down from the group were: Ao, the Tablets of Fate, the gods wandering around in avatars, four central protagonists roughly representing the four main character classes, and the quest for the tablets plot and eventual ascension of one, possibly two of the characters to god/demigod status. As the changes required by 2E were firmed up, we were given those details to work into the story.

It's possible that the original novel authors (Scott Ciencin, Troy Denning, and, at the time, John Deakins) had a hand in creating the Ao plot, but I don't think so. I believe that the core concepts were set and then the authors were hired. However, I was not part of either the initial meetings or the first team meeting of the novel authors in Lake Geneva, which took place shortly after they'd been contracted. I was introduced to the authors on the last day of those meetings and then assigned to be series editor.

There was still not a lot to the Avatar circus when I was handed the ringmaster hat. Basically the core as outlined above and some suggested character names. My first job was to work with the authors to flesh out the story. Meanwhile, Scott Ciencin and I scrambled to write backstories for the main characters, which needed to be established for use in Hall of Heroes.

Jeff Grubb or Mary Kirchoff would likely be the most authoritative sources on who participated, and who created what, in the initial Time of Troubles meetings.
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The Sage
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Posted - 17 Dec 2011 :  02:35:15  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
Awesome insight, Jim. I've always been curious about learning more particulars for the designer-origins of Ao.

Thank you.

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Dennis
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Posted - 17 Dec 2011 :  02:44:59  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message

Indeed. Thanks, Jim. That surely clarifies some matters concerning Ao's creation.

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 17 Dec 2011 :  03:45:51  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Yes, thanks very much, Jim. It's great to have things spelled out (not being an employee, Ed heard or saw many things only partially, or through one staffer's POV, of the early days of the Realms).

Marc, you'll have to ask TSR folks where "Damara" came from, because they added it to the Realms (rolling back one of Ed's glaciers to do so). "Vaasa" was also added, as were the "Galena Mountains." The mountains were named for a real place, Galena, where some TSR brass went "on retreat." Vaasa may or may not have come from the real-life Scandinavian place of the same name, and Damara may or may not have come from Robin McKinley's fantasy tales of a land of the same name. (Oh, and "Volo" came from the real-life place (and Volo Bog) south of Lake Geneva.
"Impiltur" is one of Ed's coined names, and he often creates them for the way they sound, when said aloud. He came up with that particular name around 1972 or 1973, and tells me he didn't borrow or adapt it from anything real that he knows of.

Markustay, the house Ed has lived in for the last more-than-twenty years has a "new" addition (added by Ed about six years back), and an older part that is 1912 in some areas and 1923 in others, with various small renovations by divers owners over the decades since.

Eladrinstar, both Jhessail and Martess are wizards (or "wizardesses" if you prefer), but Jhessail has always had a "wild talent" for the Art that sometimes allows her to intuitively grasp how to modify spells - - and she has always used this to simplify their casting (shortening or eliminating material, somatic, and/or verbal components). She also "tumbled to" (Mystra or Azuth or a servitor of one or the other showed her, in a dream) the knack of caasting spells and leaving them "hanging" (hanging fire, that is, cast but not unleashed) for later, so when the one spell she could "hang" at a time was needed, mere silent act of will "let it fly." (This can't be done indefinitely and can't be used to memorize extra spells, BTW.) Detailing all of this in print was one of the many things that had to "go away" when Ed was boiling down tales of we Knights to the essentials, for that trilogy...

love to all,
THO

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 17 Dec 2011 :  03:48:21  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Oh, and an addendum, for Markustay:

I just got another e-mail from Ed, who asked me to add that his (former farm)house stands on the site of an older farmhouse, that might date from as early as the 1760s or 1780s.

Now, of course, I'm curious as to what you'll make of this...

Oh, and to Blueblade: I've remembered (and confirmed with Ed) at least three other anthologies he's written stories for, that have been accepted, that haven't appeared yet. He promises to let me announce them here, if and when he can speak publicly about them.

love,
THO

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George Krashos
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Posted - 17 Dec 2011 :  06:06:51  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Marc

Hi, what is the origin of the names ''Damara'' and ''Impiltur'', are they named after a person, or a tribe, or something else?



I provided an "origin" for the name of Impiltur in my DRAGON magazine article on the realm (#357).

The first leader of the people that would in time form the kingdom of "old" Impiltur was a Jhaamdathi refugee named Impil who built a keep on the site of a ruined dwarven delve (now the site of present-day Lyrabar which may or may not have ties name-wise with the ancient dwarf site) on a small hillock which people came to call Impil's Tor. Over time usage shortened the place to Impiltur and that was the name adopted by his descendants when the kingdom of the same name was founded before the raising of the Standing Stone.

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Markustay
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Posted - 17 Dec 2011 :  06:29:53  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
Wow - lots of designers chiming-in here - must be the season with all this love flying about.

Anyhow, the Earth/Toril thread (which THO has commented in, so I know you are aware of it) made me realize that Elminster's portal probably pre-dated Ed's purchase of the house, and may even pre-date the house itself. Elminster would not bother to establish a permanent two-way gate unless there was something of interest to him on the other side (aside from pizza and hotdogs). I just got this mental image of some powerful Indian Shaman friend of El's, from 'back in the day'. And of course, picturing Elminster in the Old West' or in some mining or trapper-town back in the 17-1800's just tickles me to death.

Has Elminster ever taken on a guise while on Earth? Has he ever been involved in any important event? Is his interest in Earth purely scholarly, or is there something he is protecting or watching out for?

When you consider El's age, I have to assume that the Old Sage has been meeting with powerful mages from other worlds for quite some time, and setting-up a somewhat permanent 'neutral territory' for the meetings may be part of the reason he does so at the site Ed's house sits upon (perhaps the locale itself has some significance?)

In your opinion, do you think there might be covert groups here on Earth that are aware of this sort of activity, and try to monitor it (everything from clandestine groups to world governments)? Could there be exiles from magical worlds/planes living on Earth?

Of course I am speaking about the 'D&D Earth', and not our real one... I'm not that nuts.

Obviously, THO's post in that other thread has left me very intrigued - I had been unaware of how much you focused on the connections between Earth and Toril in your games. Knowing how much thought you put into everything, I am sure there are tons of possibilities you've considered using those connections - great ideas that will probably never find a vehicle now.

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