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The Hooded One
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Posted - 09 Nov 2011 :  02:48:25  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Heh. Lyran was a "he." And humn.
And the first battle of Shadowdale was actually played out as a tabletop battle, with lengthy debates on psionic combat on the side (that unfolded for about four-and-a-half hours, throughout all the wargaming.
We Knights commanded a pitifully small militia plus Harpers plus caravan merchants who got caught in the dale plus a dozen-strong guard for a visiting Cormyrean envoy plus the folk of Shadowdale themselves . . . and we won, fair and square, by using the terrain (both cover and "choke point" constrictions that bottlenecked the Zhentilar and broke up their formations). We did have two days warning, given the buildup in Voonlar, and we dug stake-pits that prevented the Zhents using the forest game trails, and arranged two boulder piles atop the Old Skull for "planned avalanches," but in the end it was mainly villagers using all the cover they knew so well, and all the crossbows we could give them. Jhessail and Illistyl cast some armor-melting spells, and the marching Zhents suddenly found themselves vulnerable to arrows, crossbow quarrels, stampeding herds and stables-full of oxen...the works.
We didn't expect to win, given the overwhelming military superiority of the Zhents, but we played it out fair and square - - and seized a wonderful victory. We took heavy losses, but routed the Zhents, and sent only a few of them fleeing back to Voonlar with tales of woe.

Good times.
love,
THO
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khorne
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Posted - 09 Nov 2011 :  12:25:38  Show Profile  Visit khorne's Homepage  Click to see khorne's MSN Messenger address Send khorne a Private Message
Hi Ed.

I was wondering about the attitude towards orcs and goblinoids in Tethyr. After all, if my memory doesn't betray me, their queen Zaranda befriended an Orog Paladin who died saving her from a hideous monster. Would this lead to people in Tethyr giving lone orcs or goblinoids ariving in the cities the same "benefit of the doubt" that drow in the north have now that Drizzt is well known across the silver marshes?

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Posted - 09 Nov 2011 :  17:25:31  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Heh. Lyran was a "he." And humn.
And the first battle of Shadowdale was actually played out as a tabletop battle......



Thanks THO - was Lyran slain or did he escape and come back to get revenge at a later time?

As a result of the first Battle of Shadowdale the Knights went after the Banites in Voonlar for revenge, was there any inside help to get you into the temple and do the necessary culling of evil? Am wondering if the Church of Chauntea in Voonlar had any input into the Knights vs Banites battle?

Amarast!

Damian

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
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createvmind
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Posted - 10 Nov 2011 :  05:55:11  Show Profile  Visit createvmind's Homepage Send createvmind a Private Message
Ed in your game are there or have there ever been undead Phaerimm and do they still need to feed off magic?

Edited by - createvmind on 10 Nov 2011 05:56:24
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Portella
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Posted - 10 Nov 2011 :  18:34:39  Show Profile  Visit Portella's Homepage Send Portella a Private Message
My question to Ed

What happen to El's pocket plane the one he goes to every so often? If I remember correctly Ao visited El's in his haven and left taking with him a lot of his wine. During and after the spellplague what happen to it and all the other Mordenkain mansions, leomund chests, bags of holding even people unlucky enough to be inside a rope spell pocket when Mystra was attacked my Ciric and Shar.

Also I was wondering if you can share anything about El's time as a woman. Did he enjoy it? Did he/she had a normal woman's life? Did she fall in love, dated anyone had children? Would he do it again?

Thank you in advance ^^,

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 10 Nov 2011 :  19:36:18  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Portella, the only canon Realmslore about El's time as a woman is that section of ELMINSTER: THE MAKING OF A MAGE that had to be pruned so drastically to concentrate on other aspects of El's progression through the character classes (which is what the books' editor, Brian Thomsen, then head of TSR's Books Department, wanted the book to be about). El's female time was spent adventuring and in service to Mystra, and didn't last all that long; further details (especially anything romantic) will have to come from Ed, of course. But as for the "Would he do it again?" the answer has to be a definite "yes," given the many, many times El has unhesitatingly shapechanged (via spells) into various female shapes to trick people, attend events unidentified as the infamous Old Mage, infiltrate places and groups to learn things without violence or coercion, and so on.
I've sent your question off to Ed, of course, and we'll see, in the fullness of time, what he says about this...
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Markustay
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Your response tickles the back of my brain and inspires yet-another question -

Can Elminster create an avatar? Not a godly one - more like a duplicate of himself - so that he could be in two places at once? I sort-of recall him doing something akin to this in Shadows of the Avatar.

And NO, I am not thinking about the obvious usefulness of that if his 'other self' became female... it would make certain profane suggestions possible (if not rather unsettling). I had more important uses in mind.

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Icelander
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Posted - 11 Nov 2011 :  01:03:54  Show Profile  Visit Icelander's Homepage Send Icelander a Private Message
In Lords of Darkness, it is mentioned that the Harpers have opened up an eastern 'branch' of their organisation to monitor and counter eastern expansion by the Zhentarim. It is headquartered in Ravens Bluff and called Ravens Hall, apparently, at least colloquially.

Now, I understand that Ed didn't write Lords of Darkness. All the same, he is the preeminent authority on Harpers, in or out of the Heartlands. He also wrote the excellent City of Ravens Bluff, which is set in the same year as Ravens Hall ought to have been founded.

Can Ed reveal anything about which veteran Harpers would be involved in such a thing?

How they'd be organised?

Where in Ravens Bluff Ravens Hall might be?

Anything else he can think of about it? ;)

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Azuth
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Posted - 11 Nov 2011 :  02:23:07  Show Profile  Visit Azuth's Homepage Send Azuth a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

Your response tickles the back of my brain and inspires yet-another question -

Can Elminster create an avatar? Not a godly one - more like a duplicate of himself - so that he could be in two places at once? I sort-of recall him doing something akin to this in Shadows of the Avatar....



Like combating Manshoon's Clones, Mark?

Lady THO:
My question to Ed is this:
Are there any schools of magic that have yet to be discovered in the Realms? I'm not looking for any more information than a yes/no, although Ed is always welcomed to share if he feels so inclined. :)

Thanks,

Azuth




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The Hooded One
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Posted - 11 Nov 2011 :  03:31:08  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Azuth, your question to Ed about schools of magic is definitely a "yes" in Ed's Realms. As for the published Realms, we'll have to see - - though even there, there's a known but as yet unrevealed school of magic: table magic.

Markustay, Elminster can definitely send multiple projected images of himself to different locations at the same time, and see, hear, speak, and transmit a few specific magics through them, one of which is a "grasping hand" magic akin to Bigby's but not the same casting at all , which enables Elminster to touch, handle, carry, move, and so on "at a remove" (i.e. if you shake hands with Elminster, you're not REALLY touching "him," so to speak). So El can PERCEIVE as if he could generate avatars.
Looking at my notes, I think El could easily do just what you propose at various times when he was a Chosen, but for some reason not known to me, didn't like to. After discussing the most recent published Elminster novels with Ed, I don't think he can now (if "now" means circa 1479 DR/The Year of the Ageless One).

Of course, both of your queries, Azuth and Markustay, are on their ways to Ed for PROPER answers.
As is Icelander's, though I have this sinking feeling that "NDA" might appear in Ed's answer, at least for the short term. We shall see...

love to all (and the Realms forever!),
THO
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bladeinAmn
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Posted - 11 Nov 2011 :  05:22:12  Show Profile  Visit bladeinAmn's Homepage Send bladeinAmn a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by khorne

Hi Ed.

I was wondering about the attitude towards orcs and goblinoids in Tethyr. After all, if my memory doesn't betray me, their queen Zaranda befriended an Orog Paladin who died saving her from a hideous monster. Would this lead to people in Tethyr giving lone orcs or goblinoids ariving in the cities the same "benefit of the doubt" that drow in the north have now that Drizzt is well known across the silver marshes?



I'm not Ed, but I recently found some lore on the exact subject on your mind. It's in the description for the (2e) +2 Mace, Krotan's Skullcrusher. Here it is:


---------------------------
Mace +2: 'Krotan's Skullcrusher'

Even the hordes have their heroes, and while they are vilified in civilized company, their deeds are sometimes impressive nonetheless. Krotan was an exceptionally intelligent orc, as far as orcs go, who commanded an ever-shifting legion of ogres, orcs, hobgoblins, and other assorted beasties during the Year of the Lost Lady, 1241DR. It was in this year that a group of orc bandits allegedly kidnapped and killed a Tethyrian noblewoman, and the response from authorities was a genocidal slaughter of orcs throughout the south in her memory. Krotan mounted a defense that ensured his people were not entirely destroyed; though they were displaced. Krotan himself fell near the end of the conflict, and his head was mounted outside the graveyard where the young lady was buried. As a point of interest, orcs called this time the "Year of Pushing Too Far."
----------------------------

Now that happend in 1241DR, but in 1367DR, you're right; shortly before Zaranda became Queen of Tethyr, she had a friend named 'Shield of Innocence,' and he's the orog paladin (of Torm) you're thinking of. Page 40 of Lands of Intrigue goes on to say: "All Zazesspur should be thankful for Lady Star's judgment, for her faith in an orog paladin helped end the evil cloaking Zazesspur. Shield of Innocence was responsible for destroying a lower-planar fiend and saving Zaranda's and Vander Stillhawk's lives in the process. If not for an orog, Tethyr might yet be ruled by chaos."

Also, there are orcs in the Amnish city of Purskull, which is on the road to Tethyr. This all leads me to believe that in the 1370's, orcs within Tethyrian cities are probably not outright feared, but probably subtly feared unless they're with humans or demihumans.

But then there's also the rumors of the Sythillisian Empire in the Small Teeth Hills north of Tethyr, ready to strike. That may have a negative impact on the plight of orcs within Tethyrian cities in the 1360's & 1370's in Tethyr, even under Queen Zaranda's rule.

Edited by - bladeinAmn on 11 Nov 2011 05:24:42
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Posted - 11 Nov 2011 :  16:08:47  Show Profile  Visit Alaundo's Homepage  Click to see Alaundo's MSN Messenger address Send Alaundo a Private Message
Well met

Apologies, my dear Lady Hooded One, for my interuption of thy delivery of wonderful Realmslore from Ed o' the Greenwood.

Just a note to fellow scribes herein, that today's Candlekeep site update contains the uploaded pages of Ed and The Hooded One's writings from 2008 and 2009. These are viewable directly on Candlekeep or can be downloaded as PDF. Please visit the home page for this and other site updates, or visit the So Saith Ed page for direct download links.

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createvmind
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Aluando you mean only the replies from the two of them, if so thanks, I've been trying to do a compiling of their post as well....eye strain....
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createvmind
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Ed did any other races in your game explore use of chardalyn with magic like Netherese, in 1300's are there any mines of note of chardalyn and in 1370's what would you say would be value of say two dozen of them?

Are there various types as well and is this knowledge of their use with magic common to any but the Netherese and Sarrukh?
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quote:
Originally posted by createvmind

Aluando you mean only the replies from the two of them, if so thanks, I've been trying to do a compiling of their post as well....eye strain....



Well met

Aye, if ye mean Ed and The Hooded One...only postings by The Hooded One (either from her own pen, or Ed's) are containined within (as we have produced for the past number of years). The 2008 and 2009 collated works have just been a long time to pull together, due to various set backs. Enjoy

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quote:
Originally posted by Alaundo

quote:
Originally posted by createvmind

Aluando you mean only the replies from the two of them, if so thanks, I've been trying to do a compiling of their post as well....eye strain....



Well met

Aye, if ye mean Ed and The Hooded One...only postings by The Hooded One (either from her own pen, or Ed's) are containined within (as we have produced for the past number of years). The 2008 and 2009 collated works have just been a long time to pull together, due to various set backs. Enjoy

I'm partly to blame for that delay, and I again apologise to all the good folk of Candlekeep who have been patiently waiting for this wonderful Ed-lore.

Compiling the lore has started moving more swiftly, now, though, and I'm presently finishing up the 2010 file... stringing in all the disparate replies from either Ed or THO from sources other than the "Questions for Ed Greenwood (2010)" scroll.

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Malcolm
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Posted - 12 Nov 2011 :  16:18:50  Show Profile  Visit Malcolm's Homepage Send Malcolm a Private Message
I'm asking this timidly because I really, really don't want to come across as churlish, but...
Annual indexes for these later years of So Saith Ed, Sage? As there are for the earlier ones? Pleeeease? :}
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createvmind
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Thank you Sir!!
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Markustay
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Posted - 12 Nov 2011 :  19:32:30  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
Table Magic?

Isn't that when a group of chairomancers get together and perform circle magic?

As for the question of Orcs and other Goblinoids in the south and elsewhere - I have proven NUMEROUS times that the only place where "kill on sight" is the general rule is in The North, and since the advent of Many Arrows, the attitudes are even changing there (or, at least, were... its so hard to keep track of 'now' these days...)

I can't give you specific sources any more, but I have done it many times in the past, both here and at WotC. There is one entry in particualr in one of the Lands of Intrigue booklets that even describes a town where Orcs and humans lived together in peace, and half-orcs are common.* Orcs rarely became a problem in the south (most Hordes never made it that far). I have no idea weather the situation with Sythillis(sp?) would have changed that for the better, or made relations worse. Ed or Steven may have an idea, but I doubt they could share their feelings on the subject, given the current state of the Realms. I don't even know if Sythillis is still around.

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Markustay, Elminster can definitely send multiple projected images of himself to different locations at the same time, and see, hear, speak, and transmit a few specific magics through them, one of which is a "grasping hand" magic akin to Bigby's but not the same casting at all , which enables Elminster to touch, handle, carry, move, and so on "at a remove" (i.e. if you shake hands with Elminster, you're not REALLY touching "him," so to speak). So El can PERCEIVE as if he could generate avatars.
Looking at my notes, I think El could easily do just what you propose at various times when he was a Chosen, but for some reason not known to me, didn't like to. <snip>
Thank you for the quick response - that was precisely the lines along which I was thinking.

As for the 'why' of it (your final observation), I would hazard to guess it has a lot to do with how much the human mind can handle simultaneously - something El is now currently dealing with. Despite all his 'uberness', the Old Sage is still just a mortal, and being in two places at once must be very strenuous on one's mental state (a mind, apparently, that was already barely clinging to sanity).

And I hate to do this, BUT... another thread reminded me of a question I asked some time ago, which I'm not sure ever got answered - Has there been any notable personages from Earth in the Realms? (Aside from Ed, of course). 'Notable' as in either-way, someone famous accidentally traveling to Toril, or somebody obscure doing so, and becoming noteworthy after entering The Realms. As an addendum to my original question, has anyone from The Realms ever gotten 'stuck' in our world? (or rather, the D&D version of Earth)


*Not precisely how I remembered it, but the entry I was thinking of is on pg.33 of the Amn book, Purskul.

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Edited by - Markustay on 12 Nov 2011 19:45:33
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

And I hate to do this, BUT... another thread reminded me of a question I asked some time ago, which I'm not sure ever got answered - Has there been any notable personages from Earth in the Realms? (Aside from Ed, of course). 'Notable' as in either-way, someone famous accidentally traveling to Toril, or somebody obscure doing so, and becoming noteworthy after entering The Realms. As an addendum to my original question, has anyone from The Realms ever gotten 'stuck' in our world? (or rather, the D&D version of Earth)


Of course! Jimmy Hoffa, Amelia Earhart, Elvis...

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quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm

I'm asking this timidly because I really, really don't want to come across as churlish, but...
Annual indexes for these later years of So Saith Ed, Sage? As there are for the earlier ones? Pleeeease? :}
I'm putting indexes together, but it's slow-going, since it can be time-consuming correlating all the relevant references.

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Icelander
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Continuing on questions about Ravens Bluff; in my campaign, I'm developing the political situation from the book The City of Ravens Bluff.

In that book, the Council of Lords claims the exclusively right to appoint a Deputy Mayor, but the Council of Merchants disputes this and threathens to appoint their own Deputy Mayor. The matter was referred to the Advisory Council.

Obviously, the unmasking of Mayor Thoden as Myrkyssa Jelan and subsquent political crisis interfered with that situation. However, after the once-and-future Mayor Charles Oliver O'Kane regained power, the issue of the Deputy Mayor had to be settled at some point.

I'm postulating that the Advisory Council suggested that the Deputy Mayor could be 'elected' in a similar fashion as the Mayor, i.e. by citizens pledging money to their campaign and the one amassing the most winning the post (all monies end up with the city). This could go a long way to replenishing the drained coffers of the city and it neatly severs the Gordian knot of neither Council wanting to back down.

The election will be held the day after Midsummer in 1373 DR.

Going by old Ravens Bluff Trumpeters*, I have the following candidates for election:

Field Marshal Lord Charles Frederick LaVerne Blacktree.
General Lord Knight Rashaverak Dandelion.
Lord Speaker Lady Katherine Marie Moorland Blacktree.
Lord Silver Fox.
[Lord Knight Lorien Darkarrow]**

I know that Lord Silver Fox is apparently a speciality priest of Waukeen and the former proprietor of Potions, Lotions and Notions. He was somehow responsible for the rescue of Waukeen from the Abyss, which is certainly impressive enough. According to the Trumpeter, he is supported by Lady DeVillars and thus extremely likely to win.

What I do not know is anything more about the character. Whence the strange name? Could Silverfox be a cognomen he assumed or was given and he actually has a more Realmsian first name? What are his politics?

Can Ed add anything to the candidates named above? Anyone else who'd covet the job of Deputy Mayor, which as a newly elected position would implicitly carry with it some backing to carry out a system of legal changes, if desired?

I want someone to be a representative of the merchants of the city, run of a platform of curbing public spending on military matters and ease some of the excessive tax burden seen after the recent war. What citizen of Ravens Bluff might be good for that?***

Edit: Even though he is noble, not a common merchant, I had wondered if Urgrave Osklavar Boldtalon would not be a good candidate. He is beloved by the merchants and given that the most reviled tax in the city is a land tax on properties within the bounds of the city, he is certainly adversely affected by it. Well, even if I do feature him as a candidate, I'd like to see if Ed can suggest someone who could represent the merchants of the city as well. Who among them could really pull together a lot of cash in order to have a say in city government?

I'm also wondering if I need a conservative noble candidate, someone to safeguard traditional noble privileges, given that Blacktree is committed to maintaining a strong and glorious military (and is easily manipulated) and Moorland is an adept diplomat who is not averse to sharing power with merchants if it keeps the peace. Who would be the best candidate for consolidating the 'old guard' noble support?

*Quietly ignoring the sillier aspects.
**Popular candidate, but because of personal tragedies not at all eager to campaign for himself. Remains to be seen if he'll go against the wishes of his supporters and withdraw.
***Obviously, Lord Silver Fox might do for that, but given that he is Lady DeVillars prefered candidate, I should think that he would not be inclined to lower taxes while the city is still in financial distress.

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Dennis
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Hi, Ed!

Does Larloch dabble in chronomancy?

Every beginning has an end.

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Markustay
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Nope.

He doesn't have the stomach for it.

{I crack me up...}

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Hey ED can you share any of the noble house names of that temple of lolth metropolis city thats name loses me ayt the moment.
I think its the one under Calimsham...

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