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Chosen of Asmodeus
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Posted - 19 Jan 2011 :  00:12:53  Show Profile  Visit Chosen of Asmodeus's Homepage Send Chosen of Asmodeus a Private Message
I think the major difference between Cyric and Bhaal is that Cyric is nuttier than a fruitbat. Almost Joker like in his insanity. Murdering another god may have been so absurd that it never really occured to Bhaal. Cyric, on the other hand, would just go for it.

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Azuth
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Agreed that Cyric is the Prince of Lies, but he was "cured" of his insanity during his trial. Mystrul was born of a battle between Selūne and Shar over Chauntea (again, if memory serves me) but I'm almost certain that it was stated that no being can enter the Faerūnian Pantheon without Ao's explicit approval - maybe in SpellJammer? Anyway, Cyric and Shar would, in theory, be countered by Tyr and Selūne.

I am still pretty certain that the ramifications of the 4E changes were not well thought by WoTC, and saying "just because we said so" won't work on Realms fans any more than it works on teenagers.

Prestidigitation is only the most difficult spell to spell, not to cast.

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quote:
Originally posted by Chosen of Asmodeus

I think the major difference between Cyric and Bhaal is that Cyric is nuttier than a fruitbat. Almost Joker like in his insanity. Murdering another god may have been so absurd that it never really occured to Bhaal. Cyric, on the other hand, would just go for it.


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The Sage
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quote:
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I remain unhappy with many of WoTC's decisions since taking over D&D, although I did like their update to the brand for the third edition. On that note, could The Sage, THO, or anyone else share with me who designed the specatcular Candlekeep logo for this site? The lettering is superbly done.
I've the scribe's name on file here somewhere. Let me take a look.

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Chosen of Asmodeus
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Posted - 19 Jan 2011 :  01:30:37  Show Profile  Visit Chosen of Asmodeus's Homepage Send Chosen of Asmodeus a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Azuth


Agreed that Cyric is the Prince of Lies, but he was "cured" of his insanity during his trial. Mystrul was born of a battle between Selūne and Shar over Chauntea (again, if memory serves me) but I'm almost certain that it was stated that no being can enter the Faerūnian Pantheon without Ao's explicit approval - maybe in SpellJammer? Anyway, Cyric and Shar would, in theory, be countered by Tyr and Selūne.

I am still pretty certain that the ramifications of the 4E changes were not well thought by WoTC, and saying "just because we said so" won't work on Realms fans any more than it works on teenagers.

Prestidigitation is only the most difficult spell to spell, not to cast.

Azuth, the First Magister
Lord of all Spells


quote:
Originally posted by Chosen of Asmodeus

I think the major difference between Cyric and Bhaal is that Cyric is nuttier than a fruitbat. Almost Joker like in his insanity. Murdering another god may have been so absurd that it never really occured to Bhaal. Cyric, on the other hand, would just go for it.





Hrm. Didn't think Cyric was cured so much as had it toned down a bit. But if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

And I'm decently sure Tyr was dead by that point, wasn't he? Been a while since I checked the timeline.

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Azuth
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Tyr oversaw the trial - I was unaware that he had ever died in the Pantheon.

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Originally posted by Chosen of Asmodeus

quote:
Originally posted by Azuth


Agreed that Cyric is the Prince of Lies, but he was "cured" of his insanity during his trial. Mystrul was born of a battle between Selūne and Shar over Chauntea (again, if memory serves me) but I'm almost certain that it was stated that no being can enter the Faerūnian Pantheon without Ao's explicit approval - maybe in SpellJammer? Anyway, Cyric and Shar would, in theory, be countered by Tyr and Selūne.

I am still pretty certain that the ramifications of the 4E changes were not well thought by WoTC, and saying "just because we said so" won't work on Realms fans any more than it works on teenagers.

Prestidigitation is only the most difficult spell to spell, not to cast.

Azuth, the First Magister
Lord of all Spells


quote:
Originally posted by Chosen of Asmodeus

I think the major difference between Cyric and Bhaal is that Cyric is nuttier than a fruitbat. Almost Joker like in his insanity. Murdering another god may have been so absurd that it never really occured to Bhaal. Cyric, on the other hand, would just go for it.





Hrm. Didn't think Cyric was cured so much as had it toned down a bit. But if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

And I'm decently sure Tyr was dead by that point, wasn't he? Been a while since I checked the timeline.


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The Sage
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Posted - 19 Jan 2011 :  04:10:07  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
Folks, let's try not to clutter Ed's scroll with side-chatter. This space is reserved for questions and replies to and from Ed. If you wish to continue your current discussion, please open a new scroll on another shelf.

Thank you.

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Alisttair
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Posted - 19 Jan 2011 :  12:16:15  Show Profile  Visit Alisttair's Homepage  Click to see Alisttair's MSN Messenger address Send Alisttair a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all.
I bring a surprise quick reply from Ed, re. this from Alisttair: "If someone wanted to open up a coffee shop (similar to our world's Starbucks, or maybe Tim Horton's) in Waterdeep, what sort of expenses and other hurdles can be expected? What are the chances of a steady clientele (I'm guessing it would mostly be from the nobility)?"
Ed replies:

There are over a dozen such shops in Waterdeep already, circa the 1370s, and over thirty circa 1479 DR. The hurdles would mainly be competition. Any such shop stands and falls on two things: the price/quality of their hot food (tarts, both sweet and savory [[meat pies and fish rolls]], and pastries, including eggbread buns with sugar melted over the top of them, and bacon-fried apple fritters ditto: literally, slices of apple coated in batter and fried in bacon fat, alongside bacon), and the variety and quality of their hot drinks (hot chocolate and hot fruit-pulp drinks and teas as well as coffees).
So, get good suppliers, keep the place clean, have a serving window for the street pass-through traffic and some cozy corners and/or booths for those who want to linger and do deals/talk semi-privately...and you're golden. As in coins. Miss out on these...and you'll miss out on riches, too.
BTW: no problems re "protection" rackets and the like, because the guilds as well as the Watch wantr more places like these to frequent, and will fiercely defend them if welcomed/made to feel at home.


So saith Ed. Dispensing free Realmslore wherever he goes...
love to all,
THO



Thanks for the reply. I'm sure the Watch would like these. T'would be akin to some moron trying to rob a dunkin donuts full of cops

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Aysen
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Posted - 19 Jan 2011 :  21:38:12  Show Profile  Visit Aysen's Homepage Send Aysen a Private Message
Hello Ed, LHO, and fellow scribes,

I wanted to drop by with my first basket of questions for 2011, concerning the wizard Maxer Hlarr.

From the entry in Volo's Guide to Cormyr, Maxer has used constructs to explore a "drowned ruined city of sorcerors off the coast of Athkatla". Any further details on this? The only undersea ruins I can think of in that area are Helbrester, which the old listserv said was closer to Irphong and Velen.

Also, Maxer earned his title "Defender of Suzail" by defeating four dragons assaulting the city. Did Ed pin down a year when this took place? What were the colors and ages, and were they related by blood or of separate clutches? Why did the dragons attack Suzail, as they normally don't assault human cities without being tricked or magically coerced, or are Rage-crazed? (Or maybe they were imprisoned and released from somewhere within the city...) Were all the dragons killed or did some survive?

Thank you so much in advance Ed and THO!
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Dennis
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Hi, Ed!

Can you please provide more information about the following arcanists/archwizards? Netheril: Empire of Magic offers only scant information about them.

Halavar

Noanar

Tolodine

Trebbe

Aksa

Anglin

Chever

Fourfinger

Fahren

Enollar

Hamring

Quantoul

Volhm

Lucke

Oberon

Xanad

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wakaman
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Posted - 20 Jan 2011 :  10:05:51  Show Profile  Visit wakaman's Homepage Send wakaman a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all. Just a brief note to wakaman, relayed from Ed:

Great mythallar questions. It's going to take me a little while to craft a proper reply to you, because much of what you ask has been designed and purchased by TSR (now WotC) long ago, and therefore can't be offered by me here. In short, I have to dance around NDAs and paraphrase, in the same way that Candlekeep scribes have to paraphrase what's said in sources rather than quoting long passages outright.
I'll respond as soon as I can. Promise.


So saith Ed. Who is shoulder-deep in beholders right now (don't ask me why; he didn't say - - but he IS learning to cook ).
love to all,
THO



No worries, THO and Ed!

I fully understand your constraints; take your time, and thank you for considering the matter at all!

wakaman
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createvmind
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Posted - 20 Jan 2011 :  19:06:17  Show Profile  Visit createvmind's Homepage Send createvmind a Private Message
Hello,

Are the gods united in opposing intrusion by the Far Realms? I assume the very nature of the realms is inimical to many far realm creatures so that may be a deterrent of sorts.

Ed in your Homebrew, what forces oppose far realm invasions, what forces oppose ethergaunts in particular?
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The Sage
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 :  01:10:33  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by createvmind

Hello,

Are the gods united in opposing intrusion by the Far Realms? I assume the very nature of the realms is inimical to many far realm creatures so that may be a deterrent of sorts.

Ed in your Homebrew, what forces oppose far realm invasions, what forces oppose ethergaunts in particular?

I'm not Ed, but I can note that the past threat of the Dragonking, I think, would make many gods sit up and take notice of incursions from the Far Realm.

The Dragonking details in City of Splendors: Waterdeep... pg. 63 -- under the Wands noble family entry, makes this apparent.

The original reference was in the 3rd of the "Marco Volo" modules in which the Dragonking makes a brief appearance in the Realms. [I wouldn't really recommend this adventure trilogy however, but they are considered part of canon Realmslore]. Eric Boyd tells us he that tried to work with them when expanding on the Dragonking entry in CoS. You can find the modules here for free:- http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/downloads

From there, the Dragonking was mentioned in Volo's Guide to All Things Magical -- under the entry for the "Dragonking's Eye". Eric, thus, continued with the reference into CoS:W and makes a more solid connection to the Far Realm...

Also, with regard to the Dragonking's Eye... since the defeat of the Dragonking [after it was released by Marcus Wands], it's been noted that the alien god's release has resulted in an unusual effect occurring in the Realms. Strange entities from the Far Realm have slowly began appearing within the local vicinity of individual members of House Wands, and almost always at random.

So, for the most part, it would seem as though the Wands family have garnered some rather "undesired" attention from the bizarre creatures of the Outside Realm. And this "undesired" attention, I think, could attract the interest of divine agents working with deities concerned about these unusual effects and what they could mean for the future of this Prime Material.

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createvmind
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Thanks for input, hope Ed adds some more to what keeps bizarro realm at bay
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Dennis
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Hi, Ed!

Would you be so kind as to give us more information about Larloch's 60 lich-servitors? What are their names? Are all of them Netherese? Did Larloch recruit some of them from different realms---or from other worlds? Are all of them willing servants or controlled? How powerful is each of them?

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Quale
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Hi,

what's the name of the small forest south of the Way Inn? or is it considered a part of the Trollbark
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Dennis
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Hi, Ed!

We've been discussing about this topic in a different thread, and I'd like to hear your thoughts about it...Is INCEST a taboo in the drow society?

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The Hooded One
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Hi again, all. A swift reply from Ed to the above post from Dennis:

Hi, Dennis. It depends on the society; like humans, drow aren't monolithic in their societal norms - - even within Lolth-and-only-Lolth worshippers. In a city like Menzo as we saw it first in Bob's novels, incest isn't taboo because preservation, promotion, and dominance of the family is paramount; if you might lose territory or wealth by a marriage tie but can keep it by marrying in the family, incestuous formal unions won't be banned. They'd be more of a last resort than preferred, because you aren't swelling the family ranks and gaining bloodties with incestuous formal unions, but not abhorrent to the society. Informal incest (as in, not marriage but daily sex practices) with females as aggressors is probably widespread in some Lolth-dominated matriarchies, as a way of establishing and reinforcing dominance as well as the powerful having fun at the expense of the less powerful, but actual top-of-the-family matriarchs would usually be too paranoid (my sex partner could attack me!) to indulge much, even though they might well have when younger.
And in all such discussions, it's important to remember two things: those gamers offended or uncomfortable with such matters are encouraged to leave it all out of their games, but no one should be reasoning or making points in discussions on such matters by applying modern real-world attitudes, or what they know of historical real-world customs and attitudes, because (it should hardly need be said) the Realms isn't real, and isn't based on our real world more than as a setting for human imaginary goings-on.
For what it's worth, both Gary and I (how do I know this? we talked about it, over beer, at an early GenCon) envisaged the drow of the Vault (our first glimpse of them) as enjoying, not just tolerating, incest and murder and rape and all the rest. They were supposed to be depraved and EVIL, above all else. (And of course, that gets glossed over rather than highlighted in anything official published about them.)


So saith Ed. Illuminating and elucidating as he goes...
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THO
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 :  15:57:36  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all. Just received another e-mail from Ed, and out of it I pick this, also to Dennis: sorry, most of what you request re. Larloch's servitors is NDA. Ed will do some checking to see what he can tell you about the Netherese archwizards (most of those names are corrupt hand-me-downs/nicknames, BTW, not the actual names of the people being discussed).
love,
THO
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Dennis
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all. A swift reply from Ed to the above post from Dennis:

Hi, Dennis. It depends on the society; like humans, drow aren't monolithic in their societal norms - - even within Lolth-and-only-Lolth worshippers. In a city like Menzo as we saw it first in Bob's novels, incest isn't taboo because preservation, promotion, and dominance of the family is paramount; if you might lose territory or wealth by a marriage tie but can keep it by marrying in the family, incestuous formal unions won't be banned. They'd be more of a last resort than preferred, because you aren't swelling the family ranks and gaining bloodties with incestuous formal unions, but not abhorrent to the society. Informal incest (as in, not marriage but daily sex practices) with females as aggressors is probably widespread in some Lolth-dominated matriarchies, as a way of establishing and reinforcing dominance as well as the powerful having fun at the expense of the less powerful, but actual top-of-the-family matriarchs would usually be too paranoid (my sex partner could attack me!) to indulge much, even though they might well have when younger.
And in all such discussions, it's important to remember two things: those gamers offended or uncomfortable with such matters are encouraged to leave it all out of their games, but no one should be reasoning or making points in discussions on such matters by applying modern real-world attitudes, or what they know of historical real-world customs and attitudes, because (it should hardly need be said) the Realms isn't real, and isn't based on our real world more than as a setting for human imaginary goings-on.
For what it's worth, both Gary and I (how do I know this? we talked about it, over beer, at an early GenCon) envisaged the drow of the Vault (our first glimpse of them) as enjoying, not just tolerating, incest and murder and rape and all the rest. They were supposed to be depraved and EVIL, above all else. (And of course, that gets glossed over rather than highlighted in anything official published about them.)


So saith Ed. Illuminating and elucidating as he goes...
love,
THO



Thanks. Swift reply, indeed.

It seems like my views on it are somewhat similar to what you've just shared.

Re: "but no one should be reasoning or making points in discussions on such matters by applying modern real-world attitudes, or what they know of historical real-world customs and attitudes" In fairness to us who participated on the discussion on this very topic, none of us ventured to that path.

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Dennis
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all. Just received another e-mail from Ed, and out of it I pick this, also to Dennis: sorry, most of what you request re. Larloch's servitors is NDA. Ed will do some checking to see what he can tell you about the Netherese archwizards (most of those names are corrupt hand-me-downs/nicknames, BTW, not the actual names of the people being discussed).
love,
THO



Larloch's servitors: NDA...I sort of expected. But I told myself there's no harm in asking.

I'm looking forward to whatever you can find about those Netherese archwizards.

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_Jarlaxle_
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hi again, all. Just received another e-mail from Ed, and out of it I pick this, also to Dennis: sorry, most of what you request re. Larloch's servitors is NDA. Ed will do some checking to see what he can tell you about the Netherese archwizards (most of those names are corrupt hand-me-downs/nicknames, BTW, not the actual names of the people being discussed).
love,
THO


Can Ed tell us something about Ioulaum instead? For example some insight what he has been up to in all those years as an eldar brain, if he has (ilithid) servitors etc?
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Dennis
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Hi, Ed!

I'm sensing NDA here...but, well....

Some postulated that Larloch has Szass Tam's phylactery. How true? Or false?

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Alisttair
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A question here for Ed:
Are there any places in the realms where they know/keep track of nutritional value of foods. Do any know about protein, fiber, vitamins, etc...??
Also, if they do, has any alchemist of the realms ever tried making supplements, like protein powders and such? Where/what would be the main target customers/market for these (gladiators? city watch? circus strongmen?)
Again thanks!

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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis

Another question- do you have any specific lore on the town of Lothen? History, people, places of note, local customs and religions, and the like would all be appreciated. It seems there is little to be found on it.



Er, still (patiently) waiting on a reply. I have seen what little has been written about its PAST, but I'm very curious about the present (1370's ish) status of this town and its surrounding environs. Who currently resides there, if anyone? What dangers might lurk there, or political/social groups are there? Have any elves attempted to reclaim it, or have any presence there? What's the local flora, fauna like? Monsters, or environmental hazards? I'm very interested in the situation there, for an RP that will shortly be heading there!

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The Hooded One
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Hang in there! Ed promised me he'd try to get some lore replies done this weekend, the moment he finished the most pressing writing job (and he wrapped it up late this afternoon). Lothen is in the "small top pile," so with luck . . .
love,
THO
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