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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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 Posted - 22 Nov 2011 : 04:21:08
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Dennis, they are certainly harder for humans to communicate eloquently in, being full of clicks and liquid glottals plus scent releases, but Ed will have to answer re. truly more "complicated," being as I know almost nothing about the STRUCTURE of those languages...
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Nov 2011 : 04:35:36
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That's what I suspected. Also, [since Troy Denning is unreachable here at the 'Keep, I hope you don't mind my asking you instead] does Melegaunt's ability to comprehend the pharimm's language involve spellcasting, or did he just learn it from years of patient observations. |
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Blueblade
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 23 Nov 2011 : 03:20:28
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Dear Ed and THO,
I was talking with a gent in a business meeting today who fondly remembers Ed DMing him at a long-ago local convention up in Ontario. Ed had three "gorgeous" ladies with him who played in the game and who he was co-writing a romance novel with, at the time.
I will quite understand if you don't want to answer these, but here goes anyway:
Were any of those three lovely ladies THO?
And what was that novel's title?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Nov 2011 : 10:43:30
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Hi, Ed!
It might appear strange to hear these questions from someone who doesn't like dragons. But I'm writing something [or rather, is forced to write] about dragons... Anyway, my questions:
Do [Torilian] dragons eat/kill their malformed/abnormal young?
Could some of them have used the abnormal young as common peons---forcing them to run errands that no dragonkin would ever accept; that only their lowly servants [humans, orcs, goblins, whatever] are expected to do? Or do they think the abnormal young would stain their fearsome reputation and are therefore not allowed to exist at all? |
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dravenloft
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 23 Nov 2011 : 23:00:21
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
Heh. I know the answer to your Question A is NDA, because that's been asked before at a GenCon seminar, and apparently a TSR editor asked Ed to write up a story about that, and he did, and . . . TSR is apparently sitting on it. 
The B answer MIGHT be caught up in the NDA too, but I'm not sure. So off your post goes to Ed, to see what he'll cough up.
Oh, and about the sock drawer? El or Lhaeo would just knit new ones, or borrow some long dancers' stockings from Jhaele or "leg warmer" thingies from Storm.
If it was his underwear drawer, he'd just go commando. 
How do I know these things?
I asked.
Years back.
No, really. (Yes, I AM that sort of a girl.)
love,
THO
I just noticed something about this reply ... "leg warmer" thingies?
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 24 Nov 2011 : 16:16:24
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Hi again, all.
dravenloft, "leg warmer" was local (in Ontario, Canada) argot for knitted, stretchy cylindrical warm slip-on coverings that go over the knees and ankles of the wearer. As seen in the FLASHDANCE exercise scenes, and briefly, back then, fashionable with teenaged girls everywhere who'd never seen the inside of a dance studio and never intended to.
Dennis, certain dragon types (chromatic, mainly) will always seek to eliminate potential future rivals, and scorn the weak. However, I strongly suspect that Ed's answer to you is going to in part state that dragons are as intelligent and varied as humans, so generalized answers for their behaviour (re. killing/eating deformed/abnormal young) are going to be shaky at best.
Ed promises me some more lore responses in a day or two. Right now, he's cooking for himself and his wife before trundling off to his day job at the library...
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 24 Nov 2011 : 19:42:02
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@Dennis - IIRC, there was a malformed (two-headed) dragon in the Liriel novels by Elaine. IIRC, she touched upon the dragon's past (briefly), and I recall something along the lines of her (the dragon) being alive because she shunned other dragons (most of the time). I would have contributed this to the other thread you asked this in, but I just now recalled that piece of canon.
I would suggest you ask Elaine in her thread as well - she apparently has an opinion on the matter already, and if she's already thought about it, I am sure she has considered all the variables involved (I can tell by her novels she does exhaustive research before writing anything Realmsish).
Or if we are REALLY lucky, we'll get an early Christmas present and she'll read this, and she'll respond, and Ed will chime-in with his own 'Aye' or whatever.  |
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dravenloft
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 25 Nov 2011 : 00:21:02
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
Hi again, all.
dravenloft, "leg warmer" was local (in Ontario, Canada) argot for knitted, stretchy cylindrical warm slip-on coverings that go over the knees and ankles of the wearer. As seen in the FLASHDANCE exercise scenes, and briefly, back then, fashionable with teenaged girls everywhere who'd never seen the inside of a dance studio and never intended to.
Oh, right. Forgot about those … i saw leg warmer and was thinking a varient popular in Hawai'i, where I lived for awhile in the '80s, that was more like an enlarged sweatband for the ankles and didn't come near the knees or much of the shin. Needless to say El or Lheo in a few inches of elastic terry cloth was a disturbing enough mental image I hoped I was misunderstanding. Glad to know I was.. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Nov 2011 : 14:48:15
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Hi, Ed!
What's the longest festival in the Realms? How long does it last? A week? A month? A whole season?
And what's the oldest? |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
5056 Posts |
Posted - 25 Nov 2011 : 23:43:28
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Hi again, all.
Blueblade, re. this: "I was talking with a gent in a business meeting today who fondly remembers Ed DMing him at a long-ago local convention up in Ontario. Ed had three "gorgeous" ladies with him who played in the game and who he was co-writing a romance novel with, at the time. I will quite understand if you don't want to answer these, but here goes anyway:
Were any of those three lovely ladies THO?
And what was that novel's title?"
. . . Ed said it was fine if I handled this one, so here we go...
No, none of those three gorgeous femmes was me.
Ed's contract for that novel forbids him from publicly identifying himself with the project, so he can't name either the novel or the trio of lovelies. Who have all become known to the public since as either singers or actresses. (And that's as far as I'll go in providing any details as to their identities, out of respect for Ed and the details of the contract.)
Over the years, Ed has ghosted or assisted in many novels beyond those that bear his name.
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
5056 Posts |
Posted - 26 Nov 2011 : 19:46:23
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And this just in, from Ed, re. the forthcoming (March 2012, I think) LORDS OF WATERDEEP game:
I got a look at a "first off the line" prototype copy of it (as in: no stand-in components, but finished ones). Oh, this game is gorgeous. :}
And a "pet joy" of mine: the rulebook explaining the various tiles and cards actually depicts each and every game component. So if you lose one, or it gets damaged and becomes unreadable, you can "homefix" replace/repair it.
Oh, I can't wait for this game!!! Wheee!
So saith Ed. Who LOVES boardgames, and has a room full of them.
[Yes, I'm envious.]
love to all,
THO
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createvmind
Senior Scribe
490 Posts |
Posted - 27 Nov 2011 : 02:49:34
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Hello All,
Ed if someone teleported into water, is the water displaced like air is or is what too solid and the reporter is merged with water? |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Nov 2011 : 09:32:20
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Hi, Ed!
What's the longest musical composition in the Realms (so far)? Who played it and where? And what instruments were used? If it were to be (loosely) translated/compared to RW music, what genre would it fall into?
Also, can male bards make their voice sound like a female's? And vice-versa? Is that part of their vocal versatility? |
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Solemn Creed
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 27 Nov 2011 : 16:22:59
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Hey, this is my first question thing on here and it is one of great import to myself. Actually its two questions but they inquire into two closely related subjects.
Is it possible that a trilogy or series could ever be written about the rise of the former Dark Three presently reffered to as the Dead Three?
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Could Bhaal ever be resurrected or is his essence locked away for good or is his return, due to other circumstances, made impossible? And more importantly will he? |
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rjfras
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 27 Nov 2011 : 17:49:26
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Originally posted by Solemn Creed
Hey, this is my first question thing on here and it is one of great import to myself. Actually its two questions but they inquire into two closely related subjects.
Is it possible that a trilogy or series could ever be written about the rise of the former Dark Three presently reffered to as the Dead Three?
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Could Bhaal ever be resurrected or is his essence locked away for good or is his return, due to other circumstances, made impossible? And more importantly will he?
My answer is in no way official, but I'm pretty sure I (as well as others who frequent these boards) can answer this pretty quickly..
Is it possible that a trilogy or series could ever be written about the rise of the former Dark Three presently reffered to as the Dead Three? Yes, it's always possible.
Could Bhaal ever be resurrected or is his essence locked away for good or is his return, due to other circumstances, made impossible? And more importantly will he? NDA, NDA and NDA
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 27 Nov 2011 : 20:14:15
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Heh.
According to Ed, rjfras, you nailed those responses to Solemn Creed, dead-on.
Ed would add, to your first reply: "Always possible, but probably unlikely in the short run."
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Solemn Creed
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 27 Nov 2011 : 21:33:03
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| *insert curse word here*, i was afraid of that. Well thanks anyways. |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 28 Nov 2011 : 02:23:32
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Hi again, all.
Solemn Creed, Ed just sent me an e-mail that contained this:
BTW, the Dead Three are never dead to Realms authors and designers. We discuss them all the time, toying with ideas for the future. Yet if we come up with any, whether or not such ideas ever get developed into something, they would be NDA until seeing print. Like so many other elements of the Realms. So never lose hope, because sometimes the Realms zigs when you think it'll zag.
And to Dennis, Ed replies re. this: "Hi, Ed! What's the longest musical composition in the Realms (so far)? Who played it and where? And what instruments were used? If it were to be (loosely) translated/compared to RW music, what genre would it fall into? Also, can male bards make their voice sound like a female's? And vice-versa? Is that part of their vocal versatility?"
Heeeere's Ed...
So far as I know, the longest musical composition would be the windsong of the High Ice, an ongoing improvised melodic and sometimes harmonized and chorded drone created by certain mysterious windwraith-like beings that have served Chauntea as messengers for aeons. (Or so her priests say.) The beings rush and chase each other through wind-sculpted passages and holes in ice peaks, creating the ongoing music.
So the instruments are their incorporeal bodies/essences, and the real-world genre would be New Age/ambient, I suppose.
As for your bardic query...
If bards rise high enough in training before they lose too much vocal cord elasticity (i.e. their upper and lower ranges start to "go" due to age), and can male arrangements with the proper tutors (usually master bards), part of the training they can master is not just to mimic the "sound" of the singing voice of the opposite gender, but to achieve vocal timbre enough to sustain a consistent singing voice that really does sound like singer of the other gender. Note that I said "a" singer, not "a particular" singer. Females don't gain a thunderous male bass voice (except through the magical assistance of a third party), nor males gain a soaring soprano. What they can achieve is the ability to maintain a falsetto voice for long periods of time without straining their speech or normal singing, a falsetto that can fool almost all listeners into thinking they are hearing a singer of the opposite gender. This includes dead-on knowledge of one's personal voice, so a male bard "sounding like" a female knows what notes he dare not attempt without risking the illusion, and vice versa.
And of course, everyone is different, and success in this is NOT automatic with level and training. Nor does it remain lifelong.
To provide a real-world personal example, I am now a baritone, having lost my Paul Robeson-like deepest two base octaves as I aged, as most basses do. I have also lost the high, clear gentle soprano I could manage WITHOUT sounding like a trained opera singer using full voice, that I could do in my teens and twenties. However, I can still mimic, for short snatches, singing voices VERY different from my own (such as Kathleen Ferrier's "Blow The Wind Sutherly" or Tom Waits doing "In My Neighborhood"). You can probably mimic singers with voices different than your own for a few lines - - well, master bards with the right training can manage it for an entire song, with full range and control.
So saith Ed. Creator of the Realms, and onetime accomplished choral singer, performer in musicals, and local rocker. (Ed, dear, do you still have those shiny nylon shirts?)
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Nov 2011 : 03:01:05
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Thank you, Ed and THO!
[Now, why do I have a feeling Sage is going to comment on it?!] |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 28 Nov 2011 : 06:18:12
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
And to Dennis, Ed replies re. this: "Hi, Ed! What's the longest musical composition in the Realms (so far)? Who played it and where? And what instruments were used? If it were to be (loosely) translated/compared to RW music, what genre would it fall into? Also, can male bards make their voice sound like a female's? And vice-versa? Is that part of their vocal versatility?"
Heeeere's Ed...
So far as I know, the longest musical composition would be the windsong of the High Ice, an ongoing improvised melodic and sometimes harmonized and chorded drone created by certain mysterious windwraith-like beings that have served Chauntea as messengers for aeons. (Or so her priests say.) The beings rush and chase each other through wind-sculpted passages and holes in ice peaks, creating the ongoing music.
So the instruments are their incorporeal bodies/essences, and the real-world genre would be New Age/ambient, I suppose.
Incorporeal bodies/essences as musical instruments?!?! That's inspired stuff, Ed. Truly tickling my love of musical Realmslore. I need to expand on this with some of my own stuff!
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Additional query for Ed about those bodily instruments:- Would the amount of in-corporeality result in alternate sounds being produced as the beings moved through the passages? |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 28 Nov 2011 : 15:46:38
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Hi again, all.
Sage, I bring you these words from Ed, re. this: "Additional query for Ed about those bodily instruments:- Would the amount of in-corporeality result in alternate sounds being produced as the beings moved through the passages?"
Ed replies:
Indeed it would. Not to mention the windsong-crafters discovering what speed and shape they used resulted in a pitch that caused surrounding ice to resonate and reinforce the sound they made (a pitch different for each ice passage, of course, and everchanging as the ice itself changed). Happy composing!
So saith Ed. Who tells he just finished one "nice little" Realms project so he could plunge right into another...
love to all,
THO
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 29 Nov 2011 : 01:28:08
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
Happy composing!
Indeed.
I can say Ed could probably expect an interesting take on this whole windsong concept, come the new year. He's inspired me to take my current musical Realmslore meanderings into entirely new territory.
Thanks again, Ed!
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TheHermit
Seeker
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Posted - 29 Nov 2011 : 03:27:30
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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
I can say Ed could probably expect an interesting take on this whole windsong concept, come the new year. He's inspired me to take my current musical Realmslore meanderings into entirely new territory.
So you're saying his windsong stays on your mind? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 29 Nov 2011 : 04:44:12
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quote:
Originally posted by TheHermit
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
I can say Ed could probably expect an interesting take on this whole windsong concept, come the new year. He's inspired me to take my current musical Realmslore meanderings into entirely new territory.
So you're saying his windsong stays on your mind?
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 29 Nov 2011 : 18:41:10
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I'm not sure if I'm treading into NDA/"yet to be revealed" territory here...
I've just begun EMD (its excellent thus-far, and not at all what I expected), and I was wondering - could you possibly elaborate on the nature of the insanity (all parties), and WHY magic can cure it? I'm just trying to wrap my head around the underlying mechanics there.
Is it something akin to how atomic energy works? You need to maintain some small semblance of structure (pieces of the lost Weave) in order to keep the roiling chaos from escaping? (and obliterating everything in its path) In other words, is El attempting to re-knit a small, personal weave around the mind of the plague victims (in Storms case, her personal Weave somehow remained intact, and she uses it to heal El) You know, like a template for the magical energies to adhere to somehow? |
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createvmind
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 30 Nov 2011 : 05:01:34
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| Ed, in your homegame, do you have anything that would be similar to the ILLearth Stone in Thomas vCovenanat trilogy? Can you describe any such thing? |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 30 Nov 2011 : 17:46:46
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Hey Ed. A conversation some of us are having in another scroll about time travel meshed nicely with some thoughts I've been having about an upcoming campaign, and I wanted to ask for your opinion.
(Thanks, by the way, for the ideas on the Harper travelling circus a while back. That worked out really well... until the group managed to seriously annoy the Zhents and three different slaving rings (of three different races) during a trip to the Dragon Coast, and got their circus destroyed in retaliation. In-character consequences sure are fun for a DM :) )
Basically, I've got a group that's filled with Realms nerds who have a very good grasp of the setting's history. And it just so happens that in real life I'm an archivist, and therefore mildly obsessed with records. And I like time travel. Plus, one of my friends is a Doctor Who nerd. Put it all together, and I'm thinking of putting together a campaign for "lore thieves," where the PC's travel back in time not to change it, but to pull as much lore out of falling civilizations as possible and transport it to safety.
The details are still sort of up in the air. I'm thinking of using the time portals found in the Netheril box set, because they're relatively easy and I don't have to worry about the journey through Temporal Prime. The PC's will probably be at least loosely affiliated with the church of either Mystra, Oghma, or Labelas (probably Labelas, since he's been around the longest). And, barring something dramatic like one of the PC's falling in love in the past, they'll be trying to avoid changing the timeline as much as possible. Instead they'd be doing things like grabbing scrolls off the shelves of the Central Imaskari Library while the Mulhorandi hordes battle through the streets outside.
As the Lorelord of the Realms, I was hoping to get your opinion on where such a campaign might run into problems, or have interesting side effects. And as a long-time DM, I'm curious what you see as the potential challenges or opportunities I might encounter. Thanks, as always. |
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rjfras
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 30 Nov 2011 : 23:56:03
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
Hey Ed. A conversation some of us are having in another scroll about time travel meshed nicely with some thoughts I've been having about an upcoming campaign, and I wanted to ask for your opinion.
(Thanks, by the way, for the ideas on the Harper travelling circus a while back. That worked out really well... until the group managed to seriously annoy the Zhents and three different slaving rings (of three different races) during a trip to the Dragon Coast, and got their circus destroyed in retaliation. In-character consequences sure are fun for a DM :) )
Basically, I've got a group that's filled with Realms nerds who have a very good grasp of the setting's history. And it just so happens that in real life I'm an archivist, and therefore mildly obsessed with records. And I like time travel. Plus, one of my friends is a Doctor Who nerd. Put it all together, and I'm thinking of putting together a campaign for "lore thieves," where the PC's travel back in time not to change it, but to pull as much lore out of falling civilizations as possible and transport it to safety.
The details are still sort of up in the air. I'm thinking of using the time portals found in the Netheril box set, because they're relatively easy and I don't have to worry about the journey through Temporal Prime. The PC's will probably be at least loosely affiliated with the church of either Mystra, Oghma, or Labelas (probably Labelas, since he's been around the longest). And, barring something dramatic like one of the PC's falling in love in the past, they'll be trying to avoid changing the timeline as much as possible. Instead they'd be doing things like grabbing scrolls off the shelves of the Central Imaskari Library while the Mulhorandi hordes battle through the streets outside.
As the Lorelord of the Realms, I was hoping to get your opinion on where such a campaign might run into problems, or have interesting side effects. And as a long-time DM, I'm curious what you see as the potential challenges or opportunities I might encounter. Thanks, as always.
The first question that came to me, was, what are they going to do with said lore that they save? One side effect I could see right away is that said lore would be wanted by certain individuals/groups and may send their folks to where ever it is that your group is storing it and steal it for their own uses. All the big "evil" groups I could see making a play for the lore, especially anything that dealt with lost magic or that would give them more power directly or indirectly. After all, knowledge is power.... ::queue the "after school special" music:: |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 Dec 2011 : 01:18:56
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That is a problem, yes. The time conduits don't let you take anything forward with you that isn't inside your head, so they'll have to find some place to hide it until time catches up to the present.
Honestly, though, I'm more interested in the "getting it out" part of the plot rather than the "store it deep and safe" bit. If we go the Labelas-affiliated route, I'll probably just let them move things over onto Evermeet, where they can hide it safely in discrete out-of-the-way places. And I am intending to have at least one lore-stash stolen, so that they can chase it down through time. But beyond that, I'm willing to sort of gloss it over. |
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althen artren
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 01 Dec 2011 : 02:27:05
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Hey Ed,
where would be the best place to shoehorn Castle Maure
from Greyhawk into the realms at.
Old Imaskar empire or maybe the Nar Demonbinder lands? |
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