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sleyvas
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Posted - 07 Aug 2011 :  20:10:51  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by TheHermit

Ed,

A question occurred to me yesterday:

A ladies man in our world might be referred to (sarcastically or no) as "Casanova", "Romeo" or "Don Juan", an intelligent (or not so-) person as "Sherlock" or "Einstein", and strong person as "Hercules" or so on.

What historical, literary or legendary figures do folks in the Realms compare (or deride) other folk with?

JL




Intriguing notion. I can definitely see some people calling folk who are book smart but lack foresight "Karsus".

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

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Dennis
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Posted - 08 Aug 2011 :  06:28:40  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message

Hi Ed and THO!

I was reviewing some posts in a certain thread when something occurred to me...

The phaerimm absorb magic, the Weave-based magic at least. But in the novel Sword Play, the magic storms, which were fueled by the Netherese's careless and relentless use of magic, caused deaths of several of the thornbacks. They should have been able to absorb the storm, right? In the first place, it's just a mass of magic. Or was there some material or essence in the storm that made it inedible and destructive to the phaerimm?

Every beginning has an end.

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Chosen of Asmodeus
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Posted - 08 Aug 2011 :  08:32:14  Show Profile  Visit Chosen of Asmodeus's Homepage Send Chosen of Asmodeus a Private Message
Recently I've been blazing through the 8-bit Theater webcomic, a Final Fantasy 1 parody comic that also parodies more than a few D&D/Forgotten realms concepts, and it got me thinking about spell personalization.

For example, in the comic, a character named Sarda casts a spell on another character named Black Mage that forces him to vomit his organs out but survive. Black Mage, having the ability to instantly learn any spell cast on him that he survives, tries to use it against Sarda. He casts it...and proceeds to vomit his organs out again. Sarda had customized the spell so that the target was always Black Mage.

I'm curious as to how possible/common this is in the realms, whether Elminster or the other chosen(or their enemies) are prone to doing it, and so on.

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createvmind
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Posted - 08 Aug 2011 :  17:41:45  Show Profile  Visit createvmind's Homepage Send createvmind a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

quote:
Originally posted by TheHermit

Ed,

A question occurred to me yesterday:

A ladies man in our world might be referred to (sarcastically or no) as "Casanova", "Romeo" or "Don Juan", an intelligent (or not so-) person as "Sherlock" or "Einstein", and strong person as "Hercules" or so on.

What historical, literary or legendary figures do folks in the Realms compare (or deride) other folk with?

JL




Intriguing notion. I can definitely see some people calling folk who are book smart but lack foresight "Karsus".




In the novels Karsus was a child like idiot savant when it came to magic, no book worm at all.
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sfdragon
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Posted - 10 Aug 2011 :  05:38:56  Show Profile Send sfdragon a Private Message
I have a question for Ed
What would Love of the ARt translate into Loross( netherese) or elven?

why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power


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The Red Walker
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When were El and Storm lords of Waterdeep? Or are they still? Love to know the when and how it came to be, but fear those three letters will appear instead!

Although I fear the answer, any tiny tidbits that can shared about their time doing so?

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Markustay
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Posted - 11 Aug 2011 :  17:26:34  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Eltheron

Here's something of a historical / origin question...

Were the ancestors of the Old Illuskans from Earth? They are so very proto-Viking-like, it seems to me that they might've fallen through a really old portal, perhaps not just a portal between worlds, but also a portal through time (sending them back to -3000 DR or so)?
IMHO...

The deities of the Vikings (along with the social structure and other 'Norse things') should not be thought of as 'Earth Gods', but rather as multi-spheric deities with interests in many worlds.

Of course, the Aesir probably originated on a specific world, but not necessarily on our world. The Vanir, on the other hand, are probably from Faerie/The Feywild and possibly related to the Celtic Pantheon.

Going back to Gygax's model of the universe, and Planescape in all it's 2e glory, we can see that the 'Earth' pantheons are predominant, which is why I feel that they are NOT really 'Earth Gods', but rather something more universal. I'm sure at least one pantheon is actually native to our world (just as the Faerūnian Pantheon is to Toril), but you can leave which one up to the individual DM/Campaign (in other words, take your pick).

So the Norse gods and their culture could have emigrated to BOTH Earth and Toril, from the Great Wheel, and from wherever those beings may have originated.

If Earth is special in the 'great scheme of things' for anything, it would be that so many pantheons were able to get a foothold here (from a D&D, not RW, perspective).

IMHO, of course.

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 12 Aug 2011 :  03:58:08  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all. I have returned from e-silence (work assignment) to find a weary but very happy Ed back from GenCon.
Where he was delighted to see many old friends and make quite a few new ones. Ed collected Mr. Schend on the way down and spent much time hanging out with him, Brian Cortijo, Erik Scott de Bie, Gabrielle Harbowy, Bob Salvatore, and other creatives. Not to mention enjoying splendiferous dinners (he tells me the one with Susan Morris and Erin Evans was a particular highlight).
In Realms news, much more must be kept secret than can be revealed, but Ed would like to plug two games he played demo prototypes of, at GenCon: LEGENDS OF DRIZZT and LORDS OF WATERDEEP.
The latter now has its own thread here at the Keep, I see, so I'll just note here that Ed was DELIGHTED with it, and post his comments about it over in the appropriate scroll.
Ed also loved the Drizzt game, which is akin to the recent Castle Ravenloft and Wrath of A boxed games. He said it captured very well the feel and experience of "Dungeon Crawl Lite" for non-D&D-gamers (such as members of a gamer's family), and he will rush to buy a copy for family game play, come November.
Ed is back on the lore-answering job, finally (he came home to many tasks that needed dealing with), and begins with this comment:

Markustay, you are "right on" correct (as usual :} ) in your conjectures e. the gods, posted above.

Chosen of Asmodeus, the "backlash" trick you describe is rare for spells in the Realms, because in most cases, only a foolish or inattentive caster could fail to notice the target of the spell he or she is casting, because it's either visualized by the caster or built into the incantation (and successful casting by uttering an incantation that one doesn't understand is rare indeed, due to the necessity of focussing the will "thus" and "so" at various points during the incantation [[i.e. you'd only get the spell off correctly by slim-chance good fortune if mouthing a non-understood incantation]]). In almost all cases where a spell has no incantation, targets must be visualized or otherwise will-chosen by the caster, or preselected by a physical link/sympathetic association with the target [[e.g. using hair or spittle or clothing from the target]].


So saith Ed. Who is rushing to get several things done at the moment . . .
love to all,
THO
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Eltheron
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Posted - 12 Aug 2011 :  04:46:51  Show Profile Send Eltheron a Private Message
I really love the concept of having the Norse Gods as multispheric, but my question for Ed/THO wasn't really about the gods so much as it was about the origin of the Old Illuskans. I'm curious if they were supposed to have come through a portal from Earth as a proto-Viking-ish culture. Or another world... or if they evolved on Faerun.

It's cool by me if the Illuskans came from a "Midgard-ish" type of world -or- if they portalled from Earth, but because of an adventure idea I'm toying with, I'm curious which. And I know I can just do whatever I want, really, but it'd be neat if my conjecture matched with canon... if Ed or THO can say anything about that, I'd really appreciate it.

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Cronje
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Posted - 13 Aug 2011 :  01:06:32  Show Profile Send Cronje a Private Message
Dear Ed and Lady THO,

I just finished rereading Elminster Must Die and, after checking my notes and rereading the prologue, I've noticed that of the six-man Bloodshields Band mentioned there, only five of them are named: Flamdar, Gaerond of the Scars, Lylar, Malkym, and Rornagar Breakblade. Who is the sixth member and what is his role in the group? Also, do those six represent the entire adventuring company, or are they working on their own?
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Markustay
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Posted - 13 Aug 2011 :  18:02:50  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
I'm trying not to be my usual verbose self, relying instead on many of my past posts for clarification. So if I may interject one more time (my apologies to Ed/THO and the Mods).....

I have sated in other threads that I think that all pantheons originated somewhere, but that many have been so successful that they have 'branched out' and found worshipers on other worlds. Several Faerūnian Gods have made this leap (or, perhaps, emigrated to Toril, which may be the case for Bane).

These deities find fairly primitive cultures who's ideals/beliefs are similar to their own (thus allowing those gods to get energy from their portfolios being revered), and then use their own influence over these people to 'steer' them toward a cultural pattern close to the one that spawned them in the first place.

In other words, the Norse pantheon would be on the look-out for hardy, warlike peoples who live in a cold climate near the sea. However, if most other criteria are met, then they could forgo some of the more usual ones we would expect (so you could have 'tropical vikings', which they have in Warhammer). In FR, the Reghedmen are an example of such a people that don't raid by sea (although I believe they venerate the Totemic spirits of the Uthgardt and not the Illuskan deities).

So, as long as a group of people - not necessarily human - have enough criteria to be a good candidate, the pantheon in question would begin to exert cultural influence over them, thus causing much of the "parallel evolution' we see in so much gaming and story material.

I actually cut this short, and saved the rest of what I have to a file. Since I am starting from scratch again, I may as well start organizing my thoughts from the beginning (which I hope will eventually appear somewhere... preferably in something published, but at the very least on my own website... eventually...). I only just got another computer, so it will be a LONG road back.

My apologies, once again, and thanks for putting up with me.

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Eltheron
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Posted - 13 Aug 2011 :  18:31:41  Show Profile Send Eltheron a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

I'm trying not to be my usual verbose self, relying instead on many of my past posts for clarification. So if I may interject one more time (my apologies to Ed/THO and the Mods).....

I have sated in other threads that I think that all pantheons originated somewhere, but that many have been so successful that they have 'branched out' and found worshipers on other worlds. Several Faerūnian Gods have made this leap (or, perhaps, emigrated to Toril, which may be the case for Bane).

These deities find fairly primitive cultures who's ideals/beliefs are similar to their own (thus allowing those gods to get energy from their portfolios being revered), and then use their own influence over these people to 'steer' them toward a cultural pattern close to the one that spawned them in the first place.

In other words, the Norse pantheon would be on the look-out for hardy, warlike peoples who live in a cold climate near the sea. However, if most other criteria are met, then they could forgo some of the more usual ones we would expect (so you could have 'tropical vikings', which they have in Warhammer). In FR, the Reghedmen are an example of such a people that don't raid by sea (although I believe they venerate the Totemic spirits of the Uthgardt and not the Illuskan deities).

So, as long as a group of people - not necessarily human - have enough criteria to be a good candidate, the pantheon in question would begin to exert cultural influence over them, thus causing much of the "parallel evolution' we see in so much gaming and story material.

I actually cut this short, and saved the rest of what I have to a file. Since I am starting from scratch again, I may as well start organizing my thoughts from the beginning (which I hope will eventually appear somewhere... preferably in something published, but at the very least on my own website... eventually...). I only just got another computer, so it will be a LONG road back.

My apologies, once again, and thanks for putting up with me.


Markus, thanks for your input on this, but I'd really like to get my original question answered without it being first re-filtered through someone else's speculation. In essence, you're altering the nature of my question, and my original question is likely to be re-framed through your speculation - and I might not get an answer at all for what I really would like to know.

I understand you're trying to help, and I appreciate that. But once again, I'm not as interested in the origin of the Norse gods as I am the ancestral lines of the Old Illuskans themselves, ok?

Plus, when other scribes interject with their own explanations or suppositions and are "on target", we tend not to get additional information tidbits that Ed /THO might share in a direct answer. We just tend to get "yeah, scribe A is on target" and that's it.

Sorry if this sounds irksome, but I'm a little irked. Thanks for trying to help, though.

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crazedventurers
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Posted - 14 Aug 2011 :  09:36:34  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message
Tantam All

Ed hope you enjoyed OSRcon, did you get to play anything or was it just seminars for you. Would be interested to hear what the panel thought about the difference between gaming in the old days in comparison to now (by the way did you DM the Elminster Adventure?).

Given your stated prefernce in using AD&D second edition rules for the 'home campaign', have you considered writing OSR products using the open gaming licence? There are lots of small press publishers and individuals creating work for the OSR fans, selling (cheap'ish) PDF's through the various RPG online stores. I understand any OSR product you might publish could not be Realms specific but am sure with a few tweaks could be shoe-horned into the Realms

A 'few wish list thoughts' from the top of my head!
A really good sourcebook on merchants and trade would be welcome, and one about a small set of islands and adventures to be had would be good, and a few low-level interlinked mystery adventures set in a small village on the borders of a large and prosperous kingdom would be great too!



Kind regards

Damian

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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Eilserus
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Just finished Bury Elminster Deep last night. Pretty good read. :) Just wish we didn't have to wait until August of 2012 for Elminster Enraged! Keep writing Mr Greenwood and I'll keep reading!
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 14 Aug 2011 :  18:34:23  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Eilserus, Ed thanks you for the kind words. ELMINSTER ENRAGED will be finished by mid-September, but yes, you'll have to wait until next August to read it. By which time it will be at least three novels, and probably four, in Ed's rear-view mirror. :}

Damian, here's Ed's reply to you:

For me, OSRCon was a delightful afternoon (only), in the basement of the Toronto library building that houses the Merril Collection (sf/fantasy), staffed by old friends and new ones. I participated in a panel, and then ran an old (2nd Edition D&D rules) tournament adventure of mine that's familiar to some British gamers, "Mousehole." (No, Elminster doesn't appear in it.)
The panel ranged over games from Kriegspiel and sandtable miniatures wargaming to the commercial needs of game publishers today and those forthcoming WotC board games (Legends of Drizzt and Lords of Waterdeep).
My "stated preference" for AD&D second edition rules for the 'home campaign' comes from my players and I voting on what rules to use. Frankly, we all prefer roleplaying to rollplaying, and so rules hardly matter; we moved from 1st to 2nd and then just settled there, rather than ever debating this edition over that one.
Not only have I considered writing OSR products using the open gaming licence, I've done it, both for Paizo and for the Gaming Paper (see "Lost Coins & Flying Bones" in ALL STARS TAKE ON THE MEGA DUNGEON, my adventure in that tome alongside efforts by our own Steven Schend, Brian Cortijo, and Monte Cook). And, yes, that adventure could be dropped into the Realms with no modification at all, just the DM considering which city and the consequences for ongoing play therein.
I'll try to do more of it (and have made more still-secret-for-now arrangements in this regard), but frankly need to concentrate on writing that earns me enough money to eat and pay my bills.
As for your wish list: the merchants/trade, islands and adventures thereupon, and mystery in a small community ideas are ALL already in the ever-lengthening list of "Realms projects I'd really like to do, hint hint" that Wizards has and that I remind them about at least annually, at GenCon, and more often when I get a pretext to do so. Here's hoping!


So saith Ed, first and foremost dreamer of the Realms, now and always!
love to all,
THO
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 14 Aug 2011 :  18:41:18  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
And here's another lore tidbit from Ed, this one to TheHermit:

Hi. This topic has been covered before, and the best answer is that a Realms equivalent for Casanova or "hyper-successful ladies' man" changes from time to time and place to place in the Realms; several examples from lore have been shared in the past.
If your Realmsplay is set in the 1360s to 1380s DR, just before the Spellplague really cuts loose, the most popular such term is "Rhallowgar," after Rhallowgar the Rampant, a tireless wencher and bon vivant of the Inner Sea, Vilhon, and Tashalar regions, who travelled often to keep ahead of furious husbands and the like, and made a living as a courier of small valuable items and documents, a messenger, and a smuggler of drug-laced wines. He was infamous for romancing (and satisfying) three noble ladies during one feast, then carrying off a maidservant "for a nightcap" (on horseback, galloping ahead of pursuers, and accomplishing a no-doubt-painful coupling in the saddle during that flight). His name spread into general use rather rapidly, but the real Rhallowgar was forced to change names and adopt magical disguises to change his face, to avoid repeated assassination attempts. His eventual fate is unknown (as he probably finished his days out under other names and with other faces).


So saith Ed, Loremaster of the Realms.
love,
THO
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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

And here's another lore tidbit from Ed, this one to TheHermit:

Hi. This topic has been covered before, and the best answer is that a Realms equivalent for Casanova or "hyper-successful ladies' man" changes from time to time and place to place in the Realms; several examples from lore have been shared in the past.
If your Realmsplay is set in the 1360s to 1380s DR, just before the Spellplague really cuts loose, the most popular such term is "Rhallowgar," after Rhallowgar the Rampant, a tireless wencher and bon vivant of the Inner Sea, Vilhon, and Tashalar regions, who travelled often to keep ahead of furious husbands and the like, and made a living as a courier of small valuable items and documents, a messenger, and a smuggler of drug-laced wines. He was infamous for romancing (and satisfying) three noble ladies during one feast, then carrying off a maidservant "for a nightcap" (on horseback, galloping ahead of pursuers, and accomplishing a no-doubt-painful coupling in the saddle during that flight). His name spread into general use rather rapidly, but the real Rhallowgar was forced to change names and adopt magical disguises to change his face, to avoid repeated assassination attempts. His eventual fate is unknown (as he probably finished his days out under other names and with other faces).


So saith Ed, Loremaster of the Realms.
love,
THO



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crazedventurers
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Posted - 14 Aug 2011 :  20:23:39  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
Damian, here's Ed's reply to you:

For me, OSRCon was a delightful afternoon (only), in the basement of the Toronto library building that houses the Merril Collection (sf/fantasy), staffed by old friends and new ones.


Thanks Ed for the quick response, I think I need to move to Toronto in time for next years OSRcon to enjoy an afternoon or two playing Cthulhu, Star Frontiers, Paranoia et al

As an aside there were (are?) plans in the works to do a series of supplements for Goodman Games (among others) are we likely to see any more non WoTC work (not novels) within the next 12 months?

Is Embersea still a project? this was the one I was most looking forward to.

Kind regards

Damian
ps I noticed they used a pictue of you with two lovely ladies for the 'guest of honour' blurb piece

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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quote:
Originally posted by crazedventurers

Thanks Ed for the quick response, I think I need to move to Toronto in time for next years OSRcon to enjoy an afternoon or two playing Cthulhu, Star Frontiers, Paranoia et al
Another Star Frontiers fan. Woot!
quote:
Is Embersea still a project? this was the one I was most looking forward to.
Strangely enough, I was going to ask Ed about Embersea this week, since I've been of a mind to compile what little the Bearded One has shared about the project, here at Candlekeep.

I'll second crazedventuers query, Ed.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

And here's another lore tidbit from Ed, this one to TheHermit:

Hi. This topic has been covered before, and the best answer is that a Realms equivalent for Casanova or "hyper-successful ladies' man" changes from time to time and place to place in the Realms; several examples from lore have been shared in the past.
If your Realmsplay is set in the 1360s to 1380s DR, just before the Spellplague really cuts loose, the most popular such term is "Rhallowgar," after Rhallowgar the Rampant, a tireless wencher and bon vivant of the Inner Sea, Vilhon, and Tashalar regions, who travelled often to keep ahead of furious husbands and the like, and made a living as a courier of small valuable items and documents, a messenger, and a smuggler of drug-laced wines. He was infamous for romancing (and satisfying) three noble ladies during one feast, then carrying off a maidservant "for a nightcap" (on horseback, galloping ahead of pursuers, and accomplishing a no-doubt-painful coupling in the saddle during that flight). His name spread into general use rather rapidly, but the real Rhallowgar was forced to change names and adopt magical disguises to change his face, to avoid repeated assassination attempts. His eventual fate is unknown (as he probably finished his days out under other names and with other faces).


So saith Ed, Loremaster of the Realms.
love,
THO


Sounds like Mirt to me.

Oh, yeah Mirt wouldn't have ran...

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The Hooded One
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Precisely. Mirt wouldn't have fled.
Damian, if that pic is the one I think it is (Ed in the red dragon black T-shirt), the lady snuggling up against him stage left is Shelly Mazzanoble (author of CONFESSIONS OF A PART-TIME SORCERESS and enthusiastic Wizards marketing employee, her exact current title escapes me), and the lady stage right is Sara Girard, former Wizards marketing employee, who as an avocation helms a ladies' roller derby team in the Seattle area. The pic was taken some years ago at an Indy GenCon, one evening during the feasting festivities. It's not that Ed is a chick magnet, you understand, it's that he's a gallant escort that, ahem, ladies love to escort.
love,
THO
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Posted - 15 Aug 2011 :  08:49:00  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message
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Originally posted by The Hooded One

Precisely. Mirt wouldn't have fled.
Damian, if that pic is the one I think it is (Ed in the red dragon black T-shirt), the lady snuggling up against him stage left is

Aye that's the one good lady, I guessed it was an older pic.


Ed running the mouseholee game here
http://arrg.net/OSRcon2011/content/IMG_0215_large.html

is it me, or is the bearded one, getting beardier?
http://arrg.net/OSRcon2011/content/IMG_0204_large.html

Been reading a few blogs about it, seems like a fun friendly couple of days enjoyed by all

Cheers

Damian
ps to keep my post on topic! talking about escorts, is there a school in Cormyr that trains escorts to err... escort?

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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Lady Shadowflame
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Posted - 15 Aug 2011 :  09:14:15  Show Profile Send Lady Shadowflame a Private Message
Greetings to Ed - I have a series of pre-Spellplague questions regarding drow, particularly upon the surface. Some are tangentially connected to questions answered in the past on here, but I don't believe any are quite the same...
1. Do you suppose you might be able to give more information regarding Eldritch Ebony, the group Volo mentions at one point as trading in drow? Their modus operandi, any key figures at any point before and during the 3.5 era? Maybe even some history? These guys intrigue me (not least because enslaving drow is somewhat akin to suicide unless one is very careful, being as you're holding captive a calculating intelligent being with highly probable knife skills and a long memory for grudges ).
2. Following on from question 1, I can understand how their customers might get away with it in Calimshan, but what about places like Waterdeep? Surely that vaunted anti-slavery thing applies... Which leads me to ask: what would the reaction of the authorities in cities like Waterdeep, Baldur's Gate and so on (or even Cormyr) be to discovering such a thing? Say, they find Mister Corrupt the wealthy merchant has a drow slave kept behind a false wall in his bedroom, what action do they take? Is the drow in question treated as a victimised party despite surface anti-drow sentiments, or just arrested for being there at all, or worse 'put down' as though they were an illegal monster pet of a less intelligent kind?
3. Similarly, the authorities discover potential that there are drow working against a city figure... but it's to take back drow slaves in the city. What happens, most likely?
4. And tangentially from these things, I know the usual reaction to drow in Waterdeep, as it was part of an answer to a question on the Crawling Spider tavern... But how would it turn out if a drow were to contact someone influential in the city (messenger to Mirt or suchlike, friends with a wizard who can go talk to Khelben, Eilistraeean drow popping in to the Promenade to ask Qilue to pretty please contact Laeral, or any variant/mixture of the above) and essentially request entry, giving details of the exact guise they intend to use to prevent hysteria in the streets from folks who might panic to see a drow, and inviting that personage to place them under whatever surveillance they feel necessary, up to and including some worn token to say where they are at all times so that it's clear they're not sneaking about weakening defenses or trying anything particularly dire? Basically "hi, if I'm discreet and I let you set up whatever precautions will make it clear I'm not doing evil stuff here, may I have some (unofficial) permission to be in the city? Please?"
Because I've at least one drow character, and there are probably more out there, who have worked out that on the surface just asking for what you want is so much quicker and less convoluted than coming up with new schemes.
Is it workable, or would they be better off just doing the subterfuge thing?
5. Regarding questions two and three, does the answer change depending upon the age of the drow in question? Drow child found or drow taking back a child sort of thing, vs an adult drow in the same situation.

I think that's all I can think of just now along those lines. But all in all the things with Eldritch Ebony etc suggest all kinds of fun to me in terms of involving drow PCs on the surface, or even just bringing up a quandary for non-drow PCs. And for the rest of it... I suppose some drow had to eventually work out this whole "catch more flies with honey than you do with a great honking spiderweb vinegar" thing...

Cheers!

Save a lizard... Ride a drow.
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 15 Aug 2011 :  17:04:18  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Great questions, Lady Shadowflame. Off they go to Ed, but in the meantime, here are a few tentative beginnings of an answer, from me...

2. "Is the drow in question treated as a victimised party despite surface anti-drow sentiments, or just arrested for being there at all, or worse 'put down' as though they were an illegal monster pet of a less intelligent kind?"
This sort of discovery has happened in Realmsplay, so I can tell you that the answer is "it depends" (on who finds them, and the reaction of the drow slave). Many Waterdhavians would scream and run to find the Watch; Watch officers might draw weapons and use them overhastily if the drow actively offered violence to anyone nearby, but Lords and senior courtiers and Guard officers will almost always try to maintain Waterdeep's "open trading" reputation by feeding and arming the drow and escorting them down to Skullport to "freedom in the Underdark."

3. This'll be an "it depends," too, depending on who the "city figure" is, but covert aid to the drow (on the understanding that violence and destruction must be minimal) will often be given (because this, too, has happened in Realmsplay).

4. "Is it workable, or would they be better off just doing the subterfuge thing?"
Yes, it's definitely workable, because this has happened many, many times (and still does), and yes, Mirt is often involved (often through Asper, Sammereza Sulphontis, and others).

Ed will of course give a better response when he can (he's in another "awfully busy" period right now).
love,
THO
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 15 Aug 2011 :  23:34:04  Show Profile  Click to see Alystra Illianniis's MSN Messenger address Send Alystra Illianniis a Private Message
I have a related question or two. How would one go about freeing drow captives of other houses, rescuing orphaned children of fallen Houses, and/or recruiting young and/or disgruntled ones from under the noses of Matrons in a place like Menzo? I have this campaign with a small band disguised as traveling entertainers and merchants (like an Underdark gypsy band doing some covert mission to spirit away those drow children or adults (especially slaves and homeless) to a new home. The band is led by some Eilistraeeans, BTW. How would one go about this without getting caught(and presumably sacrificed to Lolth!)?

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