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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 15 Mar 2011 :  15:28:52  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi, all.
Deathspawned, so far as I know, Ed didn't write a word of PRIDE OF THE LION.
He did jot down a couple of paragraphs of what the line editor intended the book to be about, and how he would likely handle it (I'm talking six or seven sentences at most), but the book was "thought up" by the publisher and cancelled by the publisher (I'm guessing due to slumping sales for the series, but that's purely my guess) before there was ever a contract or outline or anything of the sort. Dave Gross, who wrote the last published novel in the "main sequence" Sembian series, covered in his book the "major events happening to the characters" that PRIDE OF THE LION would have dealt with.
So, sorry, but there's no "lost masterpiece" (or fragment, or trainwreck) hidden from the world. I think.
love,
THO
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gomez
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Posted - 15 Mar 2011 :  16:01:59  Show Profile  Visit gomez's Homepage Send gomez a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Azuth


Also - which deity would be most opposed to Talona?



Loviatar?


Gomez,
who is currently reading Lord of Stormweather (the last Sembia novel).
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Portella
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Posted - 15 Mar 2011 :  17:56:00  Show Profile  Visit Portella's Homepage Send Portella a Private Message
My questions to Ed are:

If elminster has or had a favorite dish and drink what would it be?

Has elminster visited undermountain and in what occasions?

If I ever see Ed in Real life would he mind if I gave him a big hug?

Purple you say?!

Twitter ramblings...
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Aysen
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Posted - 15 Mar 2011 :  19:12:38  Show Profile  Visit Aysen's Homepage Send Aysen a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Fellfire

Speak of the Devil, and he appears.

edit: Sorry Sage. I've got a question for Ed. Are there any religious Orders or private Adventuring Companies dedicated to the eradication of the undead menace? Vampires specifically.




Hi Fellfire, I can offer a few answers from the lore available here at Candlekeep, if you need them for a gaming session:

"The Foes of the Fang" - Vampire-hunting adventuring company, now defunct, based out of Waterdeep, with the Church of Lathander's support IIRC. (City of Splendors: Waterdeep 3.5 supplement, and older 2nd edition too)

"Knights of the Eternal Order" - Paladin order of Kelemvor, dedicated to hunting undead. (Champions of Valor 3.5 supplement, and WOTC web excerpt here: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20051111a&page=7 )


"Companions of the Pallid Mask" - Order of priests of Jergal, probably defunct, dedicated to destroying/controlling unsanctioned undead (Netheril: Empire of Magic 2nd ed. supplement)

All of these were initially found from this Candlekeep thread on canon adventuring companies and religious orders:
http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11047

Ed and THO can provide further information, but I hope this helps in the interim.

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 16 Mar 2011 :  01:45:20  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
I just received an e-mail from Ed, and among many other things (Ed is the SWEETEST of men, really), are answers to Portella’s recent queries:
“My questions to Ed are:
If Elminster has or had a favorite dish and drink what would it be?
Has Elminster visited Undermountain and on what occasions?
If I ever see Ed in Real life would he mind if I gave him a big hug?”
Ed replies:


Hi, Portella! I don’t mind hugs at all; I LOVE hugs. Ask any of the thousands of victims I’ve hugged at conventions! (Just kidding about the “victims” part, but not about the hugging part.)

Elminster’s favorite dishes and drinks have changed over time, as with most of us. A lot of our exotic Earth foods (“poppers” a.k.a. deep-fried breaded jalapeno peppers with cream cheese, for instance) and drinks (cocktails such as Pina Coladas and Tequila Sunrises), not to mention all sorts of ice creams, catch his eye and tongue when he visits.
At home in the Realms, when it comes to daily fare (as opposed to special dishes usually found only at royal wedding banquets), Elminster is partial to “sarsauce fowl,” which is a baked dish of cream, sautéed mushrooms, and poultry (a close real-world equivalent would be cream of mushroom chicken casserole) but will brush that aside for fresh fire-seared barbfin when he can get it (the closest real-world equivalent would be pan-fried, fresh-caught wild salmon). When it comes to trail food, he prefers smoked barbfin (smoked salmon; dry-smoked in a smokehouse, that is, not modern “lox” that’s bathed in chemicals to give it a smoked flavour).
In terms of drinkables, Elminster likes halatha tea (“green tea” would be the closest real-world equivalent) for daily thirst-slaking, and zzar (almond liqueur, somewhat akin to real-world Amaretto) and semi-dry to dry white wines if he’s consuming alcohol. However, “favourite” is a loaded term when it comes to someone who’s been alive for well over a thousand years, because inevitably Elminster compares what he consumes now unfavourably with remembered meals and tipples from long ago (memories inevitably coloured by who he dined with, where, and why). Really press him as to his most memorable and prized taste, and he’ll reply simply: “Mystra.” (And decline to give further details.) ;}

Elminster has visited Undermountain literally thousands of times. On a few occasions, these were to recover something or someone, or hunt down a particular being (to find out what they were up to, NOT kill them), but most of his visits were in service to Mystra in the endless task of “seeding” the Realms with magic (spell scrolls, usually, but sometimes magic items) for others to find, that the use of magic might be spread most widely throughout Faerûn. (Elminster has briefly appeared in the uppermost level of Undermountain to come to the rescue of a young, inexperienced mage in peril about a hundred times, and visited Skullport to stymie one magic-collecting villain or other dozens of times.) I would love to say more, but let’s just say there are some secrets I’ll leave to the (hopefully near) future to reveal . . .

Looking forward to that hug!



So saith Ed. Who created the Realms, Undermountain, Mystra, and Elminster . . . and is a champion hugger.
love,
THO
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Aryalómë
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Posted - 16 Mar 2011 :  02:28:17  Show Profile Send Aryalómë a Private Message
Are there any major vampire characters in FR right now?

Is the Eladrin kingdom of Sarifal from Faaerie inhabited by an ancient and unchanged race of Eladrin, the Llewirr?
Is that pronounced like lew w ear (as in an ear, it's Welsh so I may know it)

Is there any non NDA info that Ed can give us about it?
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Blueblade
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Posted - 16 Mar 2011 :  02:41:46  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
Sure: the current "onstage" Manshoon in the Realms, seen in ELMINSTER MUST DIE! (and, I'm strongly betting from the final scene of that novel, in its sequel BURY ELMINSTER DEEP, too) is the vampiric clone (the former Orbakh of Westgate).
That's a very major character.
BB
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Markustay
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Posted - 16 Mar 2011 :  02:46:38  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by tradwitch1313

Is the Eladrin kingdom of Sarifal... <snip>
If that's the one in the Moonshaes, you'd probably be better-off asking Brian James about it in his thread. He's the one who wrote it, not Ed. The Moonshaes weren't even in Ed's original (the name, maybe, but not the final published version).

You seem to be under the impression Ed has created every single scrap of FR lore, and since your main 'area of interest' seems to be 'newer lore', you may find it easier to get answers from in-house designers, who are privy to quite a bit more of the published 4e Realms then Ed.

I think of a setting as a railway, and Ed would be the Chief Engineer. Lots of people have worked on the train, and it didn't always head in directions we expected, and sometime side-spurs were created (Maztica, Zakhara, Kara-Tur, etc). Over time the chief engineer only knew what was going on on his train, but not the rest of the railroad. The best info can be gotten from the guys working those 'other lines'.

By no means 'a knock', or anything - I just think you keep barking up the wrong tree, and I know how frustrating it is to want answers that do not seem to be forthcoming (immediately). Try Brian - he's a great guy (as is his brother Matt), and he will usually answer any of our questions.

And I suppose I must now ask a question: THO, if hugging were an Olympic Event, would Ed be a 'gold-Medalist'?

Edit: On retrospect, I removed the (unintended) nasty bracketed comment. It was meant as an observation, but upon re-reading it I can see how it sounds a bit antagonistic. My apologies.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 17 Mar 2011 04:08:04
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gomez
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Posted - 16 Mar 2011 :  07:42:44  Show Profile  Visit gomez's Homepage Send gomez a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

THO, if hugging were an Olympic Event, would Ed be a 'gold-Medalist'?



And in what branch of sports would THO win the gold medal?

Hmm. Are there 'olympics' in the Realms?

Gomez,
who also can't stop wondering what she tastes like after that Mystra comment
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The Sage
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Posted - 16 Mar 2011 :  08:14:30  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by gomez

Hmm. Are there 'olympics' in the Realms?
Ed will undoubtedly have more, but I'll just note a little ancient tidbit from Tom Costa back in February 2007:-
quote:
That said until Tchazzar's return it [Chessenta] was clearly a bunch of often feuding city states, with obvious Athens and Sparta clones, lots of togas (though they seem to have largely disappeared), an Olympics, and an abiding love of some of the seemingly more Greek like gods such as Lathander, Tchazzar, and Assuran.

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 16 Mar 2011 :  15:29:16  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hmmm, that sounds a lot more overtly Hellenic than I remember Ed ever describing Chessenta as. As I recall, he thought of it far more like the lands that are now Tuscany, Piedmont, and the northern Italian peninsula and southern French Med shore, only in the times of the condotterie and Doyle's Hawkwood and The White Company. At least, those were the tags he reached for when describing it to us (knowing our interests, education, and backgrounds).
That there "Olympics" was known as "the Grand Tourney" and was held every fourth autumn, rotating in venue from (a campground just outside) one city to another. It featured long-distance running; a running/swimming/bareback riding/archery event; "spear the ring with your lance at full gallop;" non-lethal gladitorial combats, blindfolded and regular and four-way; mock battles; jousting; and an "acrobatics run" involving leaps from the top of a (wooden, temporary) tower through the lower-down window of an adjacent (wooden temporary) tower, running along oiled ropes over water-filled pits, and the like.
I'm clawing all of this back out of hazy memories, because we Knights never saw such a "Games," merely heard all about it in a tavern, from drinkers who kept enthusiastically interrupting each other (all NPCs played by Ed), when we were REALLY after news about the whereabouts of a particular villain whom someone remembered last seeing at the last Grand Tourney.
I do know that (Paul Kidd's Council of Blades and other published depictions aside) Chessenta has always been a verdant land of gently-rolling hills and much agriculture and horsemanship, dominated by rich port cities, but that it has otherwise, in Ed's conception, changed a lot with recently-passing decades and centuries in the Realms (warring city-states, various short-lived "kingdoms" or unions of cities, etc.).
And yes, Markustay's comments re. Ed as Chief Engineer are right on the mark. Questions about non-Ed additions to the Realms are always better addressed to their creators (and questions about "how Ed feels" about this or that addition always rouse my suspicions as to why they are being asked; is it a desire for Ed-validation, a honest hope that Ed will provide more details . . . or a desire to stir up trouble/reveal schisms among the creators?).
Ah, well, perhaps the cold, wet, dark weather today is affecting my thoughts. Or the fact that it's been too long since I've had an Ed-hug.
gomez, a lady wouldn't do more than hint at an answer to your query, but I'm no lady, so . . . if there was a riding/being ridden/licking to rapture event, I might, er, place in the results.
love to all,
THO

Edited by - The Hooded One on 16 Mar 2011 17:11:47
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Markustay
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Posted - 16 Mar 2011 :  19:22:48  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message
I had actually thought of an entire full-blown 'Railway analogy' for the how the realms have evolved, but then I realized this wasn't the right thread for that (I do so love Choo-choos! )

Anyhow, I actually posted to ask a question (rather then post-to-discuss and then add a question on at the end), so here goes -

Anything along the lines of 'two-way' glass in the Realms? Not necessarily like a two-way mirror; it could be something more along the lines of window-tinting or even 'fogged' or 'frosted' glass. In other words, something YOU can see through, but the folks on the other side CAN'T see you.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone

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Aryalómë
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Posted - 16 Mar 2011 :  21:26:18  Show Profile Send Aryalómë a Private Message
MT-I'm not really appreciating your assuming or iimplying that I disregard previous Realms lore. If it wasn't for old lore, I wouldn't know wll over half the stuff I do. The reason I ask questions about new Realms lore is that I want to dig deeper into this new lore and find out about it.
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The Sage
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Posted - 17 Mar 2011 :  00:23:54  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
Okay, let's try to keep things pleasant. Such issues can be more appropriately dealt with via Private Messages.

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Azuth
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Posted - 17 Mar 2011 :  00:29:39  Show Profile  Visit Azuth's Homepage Send Azuth a Private Message

If I may be so bold, I'll add what I suspect Sage was thinking (and violate the tenet in doing so) and please ask that any post in this thread please be a question to or a response from Ed. I thoroughly enjoy everyone's contributions, but I find myself wading through numerous replies (and their associated emails informing me of the posts) that have no relation to this thread. While it bothers me little in other scrolls, this one has a particularly significant purpose, and I think we'd all be doing Ed, THO and others a favor by eliminating side chatter. I would wholly support deletion of violating posts from the moderators without warning.

I return, now, to fostering magecraft,

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Aryalómë
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Posted - 17 Mar 2011 :  00:34:23  Show Profile Send Aryalómë a Private Message
Can Ed present us a different future for FR instead of 4e's raggity lore?
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The Red Walker
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Posted - 17 Mar 2011 :  00:52:23  Show Profile  Send The Red Walker a Yahoo! Message Send The Red Walker a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by tradwitch1313

Can Ed present us a different future for FR instead of 4e's raggity lore?



This is not really the right scroll for that kind of thing.

A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka

"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -

John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963

Edited by - The Red Walker on 17 Mar 2011 01:08:37
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Aryalómë
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Oh, and one more question:
Who doesnEd think will win in a fight?
Elminster vs Gandalf
The Simbul vs Galadriel
Queen Amlaruil Moonflower vs Galadriel
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The Red Walker
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quote:
Originally posted by tradwitch1313

Oh, and one more question:
Who doesnEd think will win in a fight?
Elminster vs Gandalf
The Simbul vs Galadriel
Queen Amlaruil Moonflower vs Galadriel




Not trying to be a moderator, but thats not appropriate for Ed's scroll either.

That type of thing is something this site try's to avoid.

Unless your fishing to be banned?

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The Sage
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Posted - 17 Mar 2011 :  01:18:08  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker

quote:
Originally posted by tradwitch1313

Oh, and one more question:
Who doesnEd think will win in a fight?
Elminster vs Gandalf
The Simbul vs Galadriel
Queen Amlaruil Moonflower vs Galadriel




Not trying to be a moderator, but thats not appropriate for Ed's scroll either.

That type of thing is something this site try's to avoid.

Unless your fishing to be banned?

Indeed.

Trad, such comparisons and "versus" queries really don't have much place here, as previous examples of such discussions have proven... problematic. There is no truly right or wrong answer, and opinions are as varied as the scribes who contribute to the discussion.

Besides, both Ed and the Lady Hooded One have, in the past, deftly steered clear of such questions, and it's a policy we've come to adopt -- albeit unofficially -- here at Candlekeep.

...

Oh, and we can do without the "4e bashing" as well.

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Aryalómë
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Of course I'm not looking to be banned. I was just curious in what he would think. But it appear's regulations here that I'm unaware of.
Oh, and sorry Sage. I get a little too worked up about lore and those sorts of things.

Maybe these are appropriiate questions:
Has Elminster encountered almost every religous sect on Faerun?
Has Elminster ever been to Faerie?
Where did Ed get hs ideas for the Sun and Moon Elves?

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Ayrik
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Does Elminster need a place to hide?

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braunusvald
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quote:
Originally posted by Arik

Does Elminster need a place to hide?



I believe Elminster's hiding place is covered in old 2E spelljamming/realms space info. Planet Coliar??? An "air" world with a safehaven near the center, With a frequent visitor a unique dragon red copper hybrid who held El in high regard

Could a Kercpa swing a Rod of lordly Might? All hail the mighty rodent!
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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by braunusvald

quote:
Originally posted by Arik

Does Elminster need a place to hide?



I believe Elminster's hiding place is covered in old 2E spelljamming/realms space info. Planet Coliar??? An "air" world with a safehaven near the center, With a frequent visitor a unique dragon red copper hybrid who held El in high regard

Elminster's Holdout/Hideout/Safehold is referenced in SJR2 Realmspace. It's located close to the centre of Coliar, and also has a portal to Ed's study and library at his home, and to Yellowstone on Earth in 1894.

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Ayrik
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Aha, well ... awesome. Actually I was joking, but more info about Elminster's Safehold is always welcome, heeheeheehee.

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