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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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 Posted - 11 Mar 2011 : 02:42:45
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Originally posted by tradwitch1313
To Ed and THO:
I am having trouble playing my Crone of Kiaransalee in 4e Realms. Namely, because the goddess's name was wiped from everyone's mind. How does a deity die from lack of worship anway? A significant power reduction and a descent through the deity ranks seems fine.
Ed's previously tackled this topic before. See below:-
"January 25, 2005: Hello, all. Ed answers Elf_Friend:
Regarding dead gods: mortals of Faerûn don’t know the true “current body count,” or where the residue of the divine essence of a dead god lies.
In part, this is because it’s very hard for a god to truly die unless very carefully destroyed by another god: otherwise, if some mortal of Faerûn still worships them or discovers them and starts worshipping them, later (even centuries later), they ‘rise’ again, albeit as almost powerless ghostly awarenesses (at their weakest).
The arguments among churches (about what god did what to which other god) confuse the average inhabitant of the Realms (who to believe?), but I’d say that among humans, most are aware that Bhaal, Iyachtu Xvim, Leira, and Myrkul are ‘dead.’ Only sages and some priests and wizards have even heard of, say, Karsus, and most folk accept that there are countless ‘godlings’ worshipped by various ‘cultists’ here and there across the Realms (from Savras and other half-remembered names to the beast-cults to “those dangerous folk who worship the skeletons of DRAGONS if ye can believe it, aye?”).
So some of them are dead and gone ‘forever’ (although one can then debate just how long ‘forever’ is, of course :}), but most are, as you say, “just dead, ready to be revived thru some epic act or worship.”
So saith Ed, Creator and Supreme Loremaster of the Realms. Also Champion Belcher of Colborne, I trow.
love to all,
THO"
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"So there’s constant worship going on for almost every divine being, rumored-to-be-divine being, half-forgotten and misremembered godlings... and even slain divine beings linger on as demigods or divine sparks that can “come back” if the right conditions occur. It’s hard to fall from the ranks of demigodhood, once attained: one simply becomes a weaker demigod. Mortals in the Realms are always whispering prayers to “forgotten” gods, in hopes that the grateful deity will give them a lot of aid, swiftly, either out of eagerness to have a new mortal worshipper to command, or simply because they hear and heed the prayer (where a more popular deity may miss or have scant regard for that one prayer, amid the deafening chorus of so many)."
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Also, why were Hanali Celanil, Aerdrie Faenya, and Sehanine Moonbow turned into aspects of other gods? To me it seems like a cop-out from WotC so that they don't t do a little more work explaining the Fey pantheon, as well as the destruction of the Seldarine itself (and the Dark Seldarine with the very un-needed deaths of Kiaransalee, Eilistraee, and Vhaeraun)!!
One more thing, why do Star Elves have so many NDAs surrounding them? Will many of them be removed soon?
While I'm sure Ed will have something to add, it's worth noting that he really hasn't been all that involved in these types of decisions when it comes to the 4e Realms. You're more likely to gain information about this, from the actual 4e FR designers. Try the Wizards.com boards, for example. |
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Aryalómë
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Posted - 11 Mar 2011 : 03:10:40
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| The thong is that her name was wiped clean from everyone's memory.....even her's. Do you think her name could be written down somewhere? It never said that it was completel destroyed... But wait, would she even recognize her own name? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 11 Mar 2011 : 04:51:25
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Originally posted by tradwitch1313
The thong is that her name was wiped clean from everyone's memory.....even her's. Do you think her name could be written down somewhere? It never said that it was completel destroyed... But wait, would she even recognize her own name?
I assume that would fall under Ed's category of "half-forgotten and misremembered godlings."
After all, Kiaransalee's name must be recorded somewhere in the multiverse... and with that name, comes the attached memory of who she was and what she was about. As such, divine echoes of Kiaransalee's memory and power likely float upon the ethers of reality -- just waiting for a fallen worshipper or curious mortal to take up her banner once again. And with that, comes a restoration... of sorts. |
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Azuth
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 11 Mar 2011 : 05:04:29
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I was wondering if Ed could detail (in general terms) his involvement with the decision that founded the 2E rule that a god's power was directly tied to his or her level of worship? Where that seems to intersect with previous comments is Ed's statement that mortal's can't really know what's going on with deities, but even if Mystra is killed, wouldn't all of the mortals continuing to worship her...resurrect her in a sense? I'm starting to see small ways in which I can merge the 4E world into mine, although I have no intention of fast-forwarding nearly a century. Thanks to Amazon.com, new players can continue to get the 3E books (and even the 2E) so this is an intellectual request only. Again, I wouldn't be surprised in an NDA popped up to prohibit a clear answer to this question, so a vague answer (if possible) is appreciated.
Happy castings, all.
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Originally posted by The Sage
I assume that would fall under Ed's category of "half-forgotten and misremembered godlings."
After all, Kiaransalee's name must be recorded somewhere in the multiverse... and with that name, comes the attached memory of who she was and what she was about. As such, divine echoes of Kiaransalee's memory and power likely float upon the ethers of reality -- just waiting for a fallen worshipper or curious mortal to take up her banner once again. And with that, comes a restoration... of sorts.
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Tyrant
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 11 Mar 2011 : 05:53:46
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I started a thread elsewhere asking various lich based questions and I had one in particular that Sage advised I should seek an answer to from Ed. So, here goes. Ed, THO, any answers or insight would be greatly appreciated.
Here's a direct cut and paste:
"I get the impression that in most cases the person (or creature) in question needs to want to become a lich for it to work (unless I am misunderstanding). So, how often does it happen unbeknownst (that it is happening when it happens) to the person in question or how often does it happen against someone's will? I know it happens to a woman in The Pirate King and I'm curious if it's a common occurance."
Basically can someone be made into a lich against their will or without their consent at least, and if so does it happen very often?
Are there any other examples from the Realms aside from the one in the Pirate King of this happening?
Also, are there any Bard Liches (or is it Lich Bards?) in the Realms and are there any Psionic Liches in the Realms?
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gomez
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 11 Mar 2011 : 07:36:04
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Originally posted by tradwitch1313
The thong is that her name was wiped clean from everyone's memory.....even her's. Do you think her name could be written down somewhere? It never said that it was completel destroyed... But wait, would she even recognize her own name?
Go to http://www.livingforgottenrealms.com/ and download CORE2-12 The Sschindylryn Heresy.
It's not exactly canon, but it may answer your question anyway.
Gomez,
who is also interested what Ed and THO think of the story therein, and invites them to peruse and quote as desired... :P
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Eldacar
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 11 Mar 2011 : 09:13:54
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A brief question in the vein of gods, though on a different tangent:
During the Time of Troubles, when the gods fell, where exactly did Tyr fall, and what sort of activities did he engage in? He doesn't seem to be the sort of deity who would hide quietly in some out of the way place (even though he lost his eyes), but I can't find anything detailing any crusades he might have led (or at least taken part in) or city that he could have fallen to. I also initially thought that he might have fallen to land in a center of worship towards him, but since Mystra didn't crash land in Halruaa, this probably isn't the case either (and I'm not even sure where the largest centre of worship for Tyr is in the first place).
I've searched through the sourcebooks I have (the ones that I think would deal with it, anyway) as well as punched up more than a few Google searches (many of which, amusingly, led me right back here, though to unrelated threads). Is Ed able to shed any light on his doings and whereabouts during the ToT? |
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Aryalómë
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 11 Mar 2011 : 11:53:24
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| I'd also like to know what happened with the Seldarine during the ToT. Please don't let my original question get drowned out please. I'd really like to know what Ed has to say about it. |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Mar 2011 : 13:46:35
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| Be patient, TW. Ed answers all that he can, in the fullness of time. But he also has questions dating back to 2004 that are still waiting. So just be patient, and lore will come when it comes. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 11 Mar 2011 : 20:57:05
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First, some commentary.
I think (as in, my own personal opinions about how these things work) is that a deity's power is solely dependent upon their worshipers. Somehow, the 'gods' of Faerûn had convinced ALL mortals of certain things concerning 'things cosmic' - most likely through the dogma of their various churches. This created an artificial 'default' system of power going directly to the deity associated with a certain portfolio, simply because mortals thought it worked precisely that way. Mortal belief is a powerful thing.
Ao put an end to that 'lazy' system the gods had established, and forced them to go back to how it was supposed to work - deities are supposed to interact with their faithful in order to gain energy from them.
God's can be forgotten, but can never truly die - some vestige always remains, which can be re-awakened by someone finding information on the deity (and then worshiping it), even if it is just a name. It takes a certain amount of 'power', with MANY variables (not just hard numbers - the fervor of the worship is at least as important, amongst other things) to re-awaken a 'sleeping god'.
By the same token, ALL deities (but not all Gods) only have power within spheres (worlds, planes, etc) that they recieve worship, so any edicts they send forth (or spells/rituals they perform, or anything else they do) will only have power within a place that the deity itself is known (and receives attention).
What that means is that ANY mention of Kiaransalee's name that exists in a sphere where Lolth holds NO power, her name still exists in those texts. Those world's would be far-and-few-between, buuuuut... there is one canon one that is ideal for her 'rediscovery'; her homeworld of Threnody - no-one is alive there anymore, which means NO divine being holds sway in that 'dead sphere'. Her name should still exists in tomes there (although I imagine Lolth thought of that, and sent a few hundred Yochlols to destroy all the libraries on Threnody... but they could have easily missed one). 
Now, my question, which I thought of because of another thread:
Ed, given that the entire concept of 'homosexuality' is practically non-existent in the Realms, in that it is common enough that it is not frowned upon in most places, and applying the aspect of cross-breeding that the Realms (and every other D&D setting) is filled with, How common are cross-racial gay couples? Would something like that be frowned upon, even in the extremely 'liberal' Realms?
As 'icky' as a human male and female halfling couple may seem, it goes to whole 'nother level of 'icky' when you consider a male human and male halfling (not because of the gay issue, but rather because of the inferred pedophilia such a relationship would bring to mind).
You've touched upon the subject (in regards to humans) several times in the past, and with elves such things should be even more acceptable (after all, if you live for a thousand years, you'd be willing to try anything once), but what about other races? How prevalent is 'being gay' amongst other demi-humans? What about Orcs and Goblinoids? Is this frowned upon in those societies? Has this subject come up in your own home-games?
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Aryalómë
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 11 Mar 2011 : 21:35:22
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| I may be homosexual but interracial things are just......yuck. I would imagine the Fey peoples would hate it becausw they believe, for the most part i would imagine, in keeping their race alive and pure. But iobviously, not all of them think like that, though quite small in number. |
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createvmind
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 12 Mar 2011 : 01:05:02
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Originally posted by Markustay
First, some commentary.
I think (as in, my own personal opinions about how these things work) is that a deity's power is solely dependent upon their worshipers. Somehow, the 'gods' of Faerûn had convinced ALL mortals of certain things concerning 'things cosmic' - most likely through the dogma of their various churches. This created an artificial 'default' system of power going directly to the deity associated with a certain portfolio, simply because mortals thought it worked precisely that way. Mortal belief is a powerful thing.
Ao put an end to that 'lazy' system the gods had established, and forced them to go back to how it was supposed to work - deities are supposed to interact with their faithful in order to gain energy from them.
God's can be forgotten, but can never truly die - some vestige always remains, which can be re-awakened by someone finding information on the deity (and then worshiping it), even if it is just a name. It takes a certain amount of 'power', with MANY variables (not just hard numbers - the fervor of the worship is at least as important, amongst other things) to re-awaken a 'sleeping god'.
By the same token, ALL deities (but not all Gods) only have power within spheres (worlds, planes, etc) that they recieve worship, so any edicts they send forth (or spells/rituals they perform, or anything else they do) will only have power within a place that the deity itself is known (and receives attention).
What that means is that ANY mention of Kiaransalee's name that exists in a sphere where Lolth holds NO power, her name still exists in those texts. Those world's would be far-and-few-between, buuuuut... there is one canon one that is ideal for her 'rediscovery'; her homeworld of Threnody - no-one is alive there anymore, which means NO divine being holds sway in that 'dead sphere'. Her name should still exists in tomes there (although I imagine Lolth thought of that, and sent a few hundred Yochlols to destroy all the libraries on Threnody... but they could have easily missed one).
Now, my question, which I thought of because of another thread:
Ed, given that the entire concept of 'homosexuality' is practically non-existent in the Realms, in that it is common enough that it is not frowned upon in most places, and applying the aspect of cross-breeding that the Realms (and every other D&D setting) is filled with, How common are cross-racial gay couples? Would something like that be frowned upon, even in the extremely 'liberal' Realms?
As 'icky' as a human male and female halfling couple may seem, it goes to whole 'nother level of 'icky' when you consider a male human and male halfling (not because of the gay issue, but rather because of the inferred pedophilia such a relationship would bring to mind).
You've touched upon the subject (in regards to humans) several times in the past, and with elves such things should be even more acceptable (after all, if you live for a thousand years, you'd be willing to try anything once), but what about other races? How prevalent is 'being gay' amongst other demi-humans? What about Orcs and Goblinoids? Is this frowned upon in those societies? Has this subject come up in your own home-games?
Any commentary on this subject would be most welcome (except maybe giants... I don't want to picture that...)
I'm confused as to why you are factoring Lloth having influence over the demise and/or ressurection of Kiaransalee? Lloth clearly did not see the hand Elistraee played nor Corellon subbing in nor did the mages who performed epic spell worship her in any capacity. In fact said magic could have been used on her as well possibly or removed her influence from Toril at the very least had not Kiaransalee been making such a nuisance of herself. So it is more than possible several worlds, spheres have been infiltrated by followers of Kiaransalee. |
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Azuth
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Posted - 12 Mar 2011 : 01:09:19
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Ed mentioned a while back that the publishers are (in my own words) more prudes than he is. I would expect that, just as has been proven scientifically here, homosexuality exists naturally. With respect to interspecies relationships, it is important to recognize that humans don't seem to have the same type of prejudice against one another in the Realms as they do in real life.
Since we don't have any other "humanoid" species closer to use than say, monkees, and we consider relations with them bestial, it's difficult to say if the species would be attracted to one another. Clearly the species have minimal differences, else we couldn't have "half-elves" (or half-humans) but as the Realms are a place of fantasy where you can have hippogriffs and chymeras, the laws of science may not apply. That's all a long way of saying that if male and female humans and elves can fall in love with each other and mate, it's difficult to see why those of the same gender couldn't also fall in love as well.
Let us look to the true Binder of the Realms to answer your question definitively, of course.
May all your spells go off as intended.
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Originally posted by Markustay
Now, my question, which I thought of because of another thread:
Ed, given that the entire concept of 'homosexuality' is practically non-existent in the Realms, in that it is common enough that it is not frowned upon in most places, and applying the aspect of cross-breeding that the Realms (and every other D&D setting) is filled with, How common are cross-racial gay couples? Would something like that be frowned upon, even in the extremely 'liberal' Realms?
As 'icky' as a human male and female halfling couple may seem, it goes to whole 'nother level of 'icky' when you consider a male human and male halfling (not because of the gay issue, but rather because of the inferred pedophilia such a relationship would bring to mind).
You've touched upon the subject (in regards to humans) several times in the past, and with elves such things should be even more acceptable (after all, if you live for a thousand years, you'd be willing to try anything once), but what about other races? How prevalent is 'being gay' amongst other demi-humans? What about Orcs and Goblinoids? Is this frowned upon in those societies? Has this subject come up in your own home-games?
Any commentary on this subject would be most welcome (except maybe giants... I don't want to picture that...)
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Aryalómë
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 12 Mar 2011 : 01:42:09
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| Sigh....I am not saying Lolth has anything todo with Kiaransalee comming back. The only thing I am talkg about is the fact that her name was erased in everyone's mind. Never once did I mention Lolth. |
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createvmind
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 12 Mar 2011 : 01:57:31
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What that means is that ANY mention of Kiaransalee's name that exists in a sphere where Lolth holds NO power, her name still exists in those texts. Those world's would be far-and-few-between, buuuuut... there is one canon one that is ideal for her 'rediscovery'; her homeworld of Threnody - no-one is alive there anymore, which means NO divine being holds sway in that 'dead sphere'. Her name should still exists in tomes there (although I imagine Lolth thought of that, and sent a few hundred Yochlols to destroy all the libraries on Threnody... but they could have easily missed one).
Ok, I'm not understanding why it matters where Lloth holds power or not in regards to Kiaransalee and if the spell went off as it is described then even Lloth no longer recalls Kiaransalee and would have no reason to seek out anything in regards to her....right? |
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Azuth
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Posted - 12 Mar 2011 : 02:14:19
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If I remember my Spelljammer stuff well, which is far from guaranteed, Ao and Ao alone had the will to determine the fate of deities in Realms Space. Presumably, Lolth cannot possibly overpower Ao, so she could be reintroduced on a whim from Ao. much like he reinstated Torm and denied Bane at the end of Waterdeep. Of course, presumably Ao later decided to allow Bane reincarnation via alternate means. That's the best canon way I can think of doing it.
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Originally posted by createvmind
What that means is that ANY mention of Kiaransalee's name that exists in a sphere where Lolth holds NO power, her name still exists in those texts. Those world's would be far-and-few-between, buuuuut... there is one canon one that is ideal for her 'rediscovery'; her homeworld of Threnody - no-one is alive there anymore, which means NO divine being holds sway in that 'dead sphere'. Her name should still exists in tomes there (although I imagine Lolth thought of that, and sent a few hundred Yochlols to destroy all the libraries on Threnody... but they could have easily missed one).
Ok, I'm not understanding why it matters where Lloth holds power or not in regards to Kiaransalee and if the spell went off as it is described then even Lloth no longer recalls Kiaransalee and would have no reason to seek out anything in regards to her....right?
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Aryalómë
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 12 Mar 2011 : 02:15:37
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| Kiaranslee's name wasn't removed from texts, just everyone's minds. I mean, the Crones still knew that they were Crones and that they worshipped a goddess of death, they just couldn't remember Kiaransale's name. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 12 Mar 2011 : 02:29:09
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Folks, let's remember that this scroll is for questions and discussion re: Ed's replies. Please try to keep the side-chatter to a minimum, or direct it to another scroll.  |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 12 Mar 2011 : 04:12:49
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Originally posted by createvmind
What that means is that ANY mention of Kiaransalee's name that exists in a sphere where Lolth holds NO power, her name still exists in those texts. Those world's would be far-and-few-between, buuuuut... there is one canon one that is ideal for her 'rediscovery'; her homeworld of Threnody - no-one is alive there anymore, which means NO divine being holds sway in that 'dead sphere'. Her name should still exists in tomes there (although I imagine Lolth thought of that, and sent a few hundred Yochlols to destroy all the libraries on Threnody... but they could have easily missed one).
Ok, I'm not understanding why it matters where Lloth holds power or not in regards to Kiaransalee and if the spell went off as it is described then even Lloth no longer recalls Kiaransalee and would have no reason to seek out anything in regards to her....right?
Okay, this may be my fault, not having actually read those novels. 
I thought it was Lolth who did the 'forget-me-not' spell. If it was Eilistraee, then forgive my stupidity (in this regard).
Then simply apply what I said to Eilistraee (or whomever), rather then Lolth - the logic behind my post still works. The power behind a spell/ritual can only function in spheres that power holds sway in, so ALL traces of Kiaransalee may not be lost.
Sorry Sage - I felt the need to clarify, before the discussion (I accidentally started) continued. |
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Aryalómë
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Posted - 12 Mar 2011 : 15:27:18
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I just hope THO gets my question XD
But I habe another one that may habe some NDA's blocking it but:
Is there anything Ed can tell us anout the Eladrin from Sarifal in Gwynneth (Welsh name :D) on te Moonshae Isle? Apparently they are new Eladrin (in the sense of being introduced) , look like Corellon (not EXACTLY look like him but of the same stock) and originate from Faerie (Faerie Elves?) |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 12 Mar 2011 : 16:25:37
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Hi again, all.
tradwitch1313, createvmind is quite correct about a deity name surviving in places where the obliberator of that name holds no power. That's one of the established rules of Ed's multiverse.
Regarding these questions: "To Ed and THO: I am having trouble playing my Crone of Kiaransalee in 4e Realms. Namely, because the goddess's name was wiped from everyone's mind. How does a deity die from lack of worship anyway? A significant power reduction and a descent through the deity ranks seems fine.
Also, why were Hanali Celanil, Aerdrie Faenya, and Sehanine Moonbow turned into aspects of other gods? To me it seems like a cop-out from WotC so that they don't have to do a little more work explaining the Fey pantheon, as well as the destruction of the Seldarine itself (and the Dark Seldarine with the very un-needed deaths of Kiaransalee, Eilistraee, and Vhaeraun)!!
One more thing, why do Star Elves have so many NDAs surrounding them? Will many of them be removed soon?"
Sigh. You ask many questions that neither Ed nor I can or should answer. Your first question is one that has been discussed many times, and you pose it in the exact way that many mortals in the Realms might - - and with the same inability of ever receiving a definitive answer. There are some things about life we will just never know the "whys" of...
Your aspects and Star Elves questions should all be posed to someone at Wizards, though I doubt they'll answer you. I personally have no idea of the answers, and if Ed does, his NDAs will legally constrain him from replying with anything useful or direct. Ed does not and never has "run" TSR or WotC, or had much influence over their internal decision-making, both macro (product lines, staffing, where money is spent) or micro (lore details contained in products, or lack of specific coverage or specifics).
Sorry, but that's just the way things are. No amount of wishing on any of our parts will change matters.
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Aryalómë
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Posted - 12 Mar 2011 : 21:18:55
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Ah, ok :( I seem to keep asking NDAs for some reason. I guess I just need some official words to say somethig for me to be ok with it. I hope this os a good answerable question:
Is there any place wher vampires are at least tolerated on Toril? |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 12 Mar 2011 : 21:32:21
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
Hi again, all.
tradwitch1313, createvmind is quite correct about a deity name surviving in places where the obliberator of that name holds no power. <snip>
Ummmm.
Creativemind was quoting me (without using the 'Quote Function', which is a breach of forum etiquette).
Sorry, but that just rubbed me the wrong way - I put a LOT of thought into my posts.  |
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Edited by - Markustay on 12 Mar 2011 22:05:57 |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 12 Mar 2011 : 21:56:47
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Ooops! Sorry, Markustay!
love,
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Azuth
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 12 Mar 2011 : 22:35:31
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A question for Ed on "healthcare" in the Realms...
Given the prevalence of healing magics granted through divine Art, are there any places of healing/convalescing in the Realms that are noteworthy? Non-magical healing is also of interest. I know that Candlekeep will refuse no person who needs curing from poison, for example, but if a commoner had some unknown malady, would they know that going to a specific city or healer (because of reputation) would be more likely to cure said ailment? Ilmater strikes me as a faith that would go about healing the needy free of charge, but is there any type of trade equivalent to "insurance" in areas of the Realms? Say, a rich lord donates 10,000 gold to a local Church of Waukeen in exchange for the equivalent of a Raise Dead or Resurrection on a family member should it become necessary? Are there any tenets of Ilmater that cause his clergy to take on the pain of others regardless of origin? I could see a macabre relationship between the Churches of Loviatar and Ilmater in this area if that were true.
Also - which deity would be most opposed to Talona?
Cheers,
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Azuth, the First Magister
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createvmind
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Posted - 13 Mar 2011 : 00:57:13
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Yes, it was Markustay who thought that out.
And actually markustay the ones who performed the spell are not followers of any deity in drow pantheon it appears, they are a mage order seeking all things magical as all mages do...:)
Also I quoted you goodsir, others may have overlooked it, but I quoted. |
Edited by - createvmind on 13 Mar 2011 00:59:11 |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 13 Mar 2011 : 02:32:29
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No worries - sorry if I got a little 'bent' - it just struck a nerve.
So WHO cast that spell? Mortals? 
Methinks someone borrowed a plothook from a certain Sword of Truth novel. It was actually pretty interesting how they used it there - unless you weren't directly looking at the person the spell was used on, you couldn't 'see' them (and even then, you really had to concentrate on noticing them). Almost like a 'blink/displacer' effect coupled with a permanent area forget spell (with the area being centered on a single person).
Anyhow, thanks for correcting me - I had mistakenly thought it was Lolth from reading other's posts concerning that story (a lot happened in those novels).
And now, another question: Ed, how much of the War of Light and Darkness was from your original? I see a lot of the 4e lore (in regards to the deity/primordial war) is based upon some of that older lore, and I was wondering how much of what they have said (one world split apart) is based upon the Realms 'deeper secrets'?
Did you have something along those lines in mind all along? |
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Edited by - Markustay on 13 Mar 2011 02:34:24 |
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Blueblade
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Posted - 13 Mar 2011 : 02:55:15
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Heh. Markustay, why do I see Ed opening his mouth to eagerly answer that last question of yours . . .
And a huge NDA stone wall slamming down from above to land thunderously between you and the Great Greenwood, drowning him out and making all communication impossible, as dust curls up and pebbles bounce and shower in all directions, and the ground begins to split underfoot due to the great impact?
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createvmind
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 13 Mar 2011 : 05:46:09
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| Group of drow mages all weilding sel'kuria gems from before the dark elves were cursed, you should read it, very good series actually. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Questions for Ed Greenwood (2011)
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