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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore

Denmark
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Posted - 03 Feb 2011 :  02:48:48  Show Profile Send Nicolai Withander a Private Message
Ofc... I know that it might be months or years... and ofc ill be patiant. Nor would I ever "hurry the man. I was just trying to explain my question a little better, since I got the feeling that the reply from THO was it, perhaps due to NDA. Uhmm... I might be rambling.

Hope I get my message trhough!
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arry
Learned Scribe

United Kingdom
313 Posts

Posted - 03 Feb 2011 :  11:56:13  Show Profile Send arry a Private Message
I was going through some old Dragon magazines and I re-read Ed's 'Ecology of the Leucrotta' in Dragon #91. The name 'leucrotta' I don't think is very Realmsian and I would like to ask Ed or Lady Hooded if the creature has a different name in the Realms? Does it have different names to loremasters and ordinary folk?
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crazedventurers
Master of Realmslore

United Kingdom
1073 Posts

Posted - 03 Feb 2011 :  20:43:37  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by arry

I was going through some old Dragon magazines and I re-read Ed's 'Ecology of the Leucrotta' in Dragon #91. The name 'leucrotta' I don't think is very Realmsian and I would like to ask Ed or Lady Hooded if the creature has a different name in the Realms? Does it have different names to loremasters and ordinary folk?


Changesteeds spring to mind though I have a feeling that relates to Greater Leucrotto's.

Great question arry Leucrotto lore is always welcome

Cheers

Damian

So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
shudder,
love to all,
THO
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 04 Feb 2011 :  01:30:27  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Mr_Miscellany, Ed has authorized me to furnish you with the following temporary partial answer, to "do you" until he furnishes a real one:

Q: "The process that kept the Lords Who Sleep in stasis…was that the only place like that created by Cormyr in the past?"

A: No.

Q: "Is it possible there are ones and twos of Cormyrean heroes (or villains or unfortunate nobodies) not yet written about in sourcebooks or novels who’ve been put in stasis, as part of that particular process or as part of past experiment(s) aimed at perfecting the stasis effect?"

A: Yes.

There you go. I'm a veritable font of information.
All scribes, there'll be more lore as soon as Ed can send it,
love,
THO
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Ayrik
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Canada
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Posted - 04 Feb 2011 :  04:12:28  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message
Ed created the Faerūnian pantheon of powers. A few of the powers were foreign imports, while a few others were stylized variants of foreign powers with emphasis on different aspects. No doubt Ed had access to the Deities & Demigods/Legends & Lore books (like everyone else), though (unlike most DMs of the era) Ed had the guts to build an entire "balanced" pantheon from scratch, and (unless I'm mistaken) he was also open to mythological and pagan influences outside of D&D lore. A number of (apparently) non-Ed changes have been made over the years as the gods and goddesses have evolved a bit and shuffled their ranks about. But it's fairly evident that the Faerūnian powers were chiefly fabricated entirely through Ed's efforts (and perhaps also those of his players). Thanx Ed(etal), btw, the implications and antics of the not-all-that-lofty Faerūnians have held my interest for years.
A minor question here — has Ed squirreled away some (up til now) "lost and forgotten" gods he'd like to share?

But my real question — has Ed done the same thing with monsters? There are obviously innumerable monsters, or variations of monsters, which are (or were) unique to the Realms. My *suspicion* is that most of these "new" beasties were created by other authors. My *assumption* is that Ed was somewhat content with simply pulling creatures out of his Monster Manuals as needed, more interested in adapting or exploring the societies and ecologies of existing monsters than in inventing entirely new ones. Can anybody list some Ed-made monsters? Or at least some favourites? (A comprehensive list is not required, lol. I'm really more curious about the "mind of the monster maker".)

[/Ayrik]

Edited by - Ayrik on 04 Feb 2011 04:38:49
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Kajehase
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Sweden
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Posted - 04 Feb 2011 :  05:06:14  Show Profile Send Kajehase a Private Message
Oy gevalt!

There is a rumour going around that I have found god. I think is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.
Terry Pratchett
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Azuth
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USA
402 Posts

Posted - 04 Feb 2011 :  06:07:32  Show Profile  Visit Azuth's Homepage Send Azuth a Private Message
Pardon my brief tangent as I'll get to my question for Ed momentarily, but I must agree that the marvelous Faerūnian Pantheon is was has held my interest in the Realms, nay, perhaps solidified it beyond reason in some ways. The almost-limitless possibilities of the Pantheon for play is enthralling. IMHO, the possibility for different characters to be of the same (or different) classes while worshipping the same (or different) deities is what makes the Realms so special. An evil Wizard who worships Mystra and a good priest who worships Azuth, for example, make for a marvelous duo in a gaming group.

Thus, my question for the Father of Faerūn:

Ed: If someone held you down and tickled your foot until you answered, which is your favorite deity in the pantheon, and if you might shed a little bit on the why, I'd be interested.

Cheers to all,

Azuth, the First Magister
Lord of All Spells

quote:
Originally posted by Arik

Ed created the Faerūnian pantheon of powers. A few of the powers were foreign imports, while a few others were stylized variants of foreign powers with emphasis on different aspects. No doubt Ed had access to the Deities & Demigods/Legends & Lore books (like everyone else), though (unlike most DMs of the era) Ed had the guts to build an entire "balanced" pantheon from scratch, and (unless I'm mistaken) he was also open to mythological and pagan influences outside of D&D lore. A number of (apparently) non-Ed changes have been made over the years as the gods and goddesses have evolved a bit and shuffled their ranks about. But it's fairly evident that the Faerūnian powers were chiefly fabricated entirely through Ed's efforts (and perhaps also those of his players). Thanx Ed(etal), btw, the implications and antics of the not-all-that-lofty Faerūnians have held my interest for years.
A minor question here — has Ed squirreled away some (up til now) "lost and forgotten" gods he'd like to share?

But my real question — has Ed done the same thing with monsters? There are obviously innumerable monsters, or variations of monsters, which are (or were) unique to the Realms. My *suspicion* is that most of these "new" beasties were created by other authors. My *assumption* is that Ed was somewhat content with simply pulling creatures out of his Monster Manuals as needed, more interested in adapting or exploring the societies and ecologies of existing monsters than in inventing entirely new ones. Can anybody list some Ed-made monsters? Or at least some favourites? (A comprehensive list is not required, lol. I'm really more curious about the "mind of the monster maker".)


Azuth, the First Magister
Lord of All Spells

The greatest expression of creativity is through Art.
Offense can never be given, only taken.
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_Jarlaxle_
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Germany
542 Posts

Posted - 04 Feb 2011 :  08:29:28  Show Profile Send _Jarlaxle_ a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by _Jarlaxle_

Can Ed tell us something about Ioulaum instead? For example some insight what he has been up to in all those years as an eldar brain, if he has (ilithid) servitors etc?


Any chance to get some info on this topic?
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Alisttair
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Canada
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Posted - 04 Feb 2011 :  12:19:45  Show Profile  Visit Alisttair's Homepage  Click to see Alisttair's MSN Messenger address Send Alisttair a Private Message
Moonshae Isles. Any news on if more will come about this area, or is it NDA?

Karsite Arcanar (Most Holy Servant of Karsus)

Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
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Blueblade
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Posted - 04 Feb 2011 :  18:44:46  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
Arik, Ed created the Faerunian pantheon LONG before DDG/L&L were written. He MODIFIED it to include deities from them, and to match what Gary Gygax revealed of "official" elementals, et al because that's what gamers writing for DRAGON in those days did: tried to build on what was "official."
Ed also created so many monsters (and added so much to existing monsters with his Ecologies DRAGON articles, like the name "gulguthra") for the Realms (and other TSR games and game settings) that for a time he got the nickname "the Monster Man." The Carwling Claw, Curst, and the Gauth are Ed's, and the Fang Dragon and Deep Dragon, just to name the first five that came into my head. I think, at last count, he had added over 80 (yes, eighty) monsters to the game, not to mention another dozen or so to Golarion, a bunch for his own Castlemourn, and a few dozen more scattered throughout computer games, the STAR FRONTIERS game, Zobeck/Midgard, and so on...
(He of course created hundreds of magic items and hundreds of spells, too. Not to mention artifacts, rituals, and gods. Years ago, at GenCon, some of us played a trivia game [highest points for the highest total of created elements (monsters, rules, magic items, spells)], and I was ASTONISHED at Ed's totals.
If Gary was the father of D&D, Ed was its detailer. :}
So, no, Arik, your suspicion about most monsters being done by others and Ed being content to draw on the MONSTER MANUAL would be wrong. All of us old-timers SAW the ongoing flood of Ed's monsters coming out in DRAGON and elsewhere, from weirdos like the Wingless Wonder and Lythlyx to real classic deployables...
BB

Edited by - Blueblade on 04 Feb 2011 18:48:06
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Baleful Avatar
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Canada
161 Posts

Posted - 04 Feb 2011 :  19:17:36  Show Profile  Visit Baleful Avatar's Homepage Send Baleful Avatar a Private Message
Yeah, I think it's too often forgotten (and happens more and more as younger gamers join the hobby, for whom it's all "ancient history" rather than something they were reading along for) that Ed's Realms predates the D&D game.
BA
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Azuth
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USA
402 Posts

Posted - 04 Feb 2011 :  19:45:30  Show Profile  Visit Azuth's Homepage Send Azuth a Private Message
I know I state the obvious, but I believe that the existence of this thread and these forums demonstrate Ed's part of D&D better than any other type of testimonial ever could. I know this: I wouldn't have started playing D&D w/o the Realms. I never liked Dragonlance, or any of the other worlds, really.

Cheers,

Azuth, the First Magister
Lord of All Spells

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createvmind
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Posted - 05 Feb 2011 :  00:12:39  Show Profile  Visit createvmind's Homepage Send createvmind a Private Message
Speaking of monsters, Ed you said some years back that Skindancers existed in faerun, my question now is do half-dragon/fiendish ones exist and more importantly, do vampiric ones exist, would undead state in any way interfere or negate a living skindancers abilities?
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Deathspawned
Acolyte

USA
8 Posts

Posted - 05 Feb 2011 :  00:45:28  Show Profile  Visit Deathspawned's Homepage Send Deathspawned a Private Message
while rereading "war in tethyr"(the nobles book 2)i came across the character "chenowyn" who is said to be full human and also full(gem)dragon?This was an experiment by an amethyst dragon named nyadnar that made a ruby dragon?
I know that Ed didn't write this book(it was Victor Milan)but my question is:Is this how "ruby dragons"came to be?and are other "gem dragons"made the same way or is it a case by case kind of thing?I think if anyone would know it would be Ed(as alot of his books have characters in them that are or are hinted at to be dragons in human form hiding(for lack of a better word)in cities.And as the father of the realms he may be the one to have created this possability for the author.
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

5043 Posts

Posted - 05 Feb 2011 :  03:04:26  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hi again, all.
Deathspawned, Ed certainly put a lot of dragons living among humans (in human or other half-human form), into the Realms. Yet many good dragons could do this in the original 1st Edition rules, though Ed created weredragons (3e: song dragons), steel dragons, and some other draconic types that were added to the official game rules during the 2e days, that could take on human form.
However, Ed didn't ever meet, contact, or directly influence Victor Milan, and gem dragons aren't Ed's creation. They first appeared in a long-ago DRAGON magazine article by another freelancer, and fans of them among the staff designers have been sneaking various versions of them into various editions of D&D ever since.

Oh, and Blueblade: I think your 80-monster total in your reply to Arik is rather low.

Arik, I can tell you that we (Ed's players) had very little creative input into the deities of the Realms (Ed got there first), though those of us with cleric and druid and ranger characters did roleplay (with Ed as DM) a lot of internal "life in the clergy" stuff.
Yes, there are "place spirits," fading and nigh forgotten gods, and even a few "mainliner" gods of the Realms that never made it into the rules.
There are also more than a few Realms monsters that never made it into print, and a few (like the Cinammon Dragon) that got mentioned, but never more than mentioned. Ed created well over a hundred of the game's official monsters, and developed/expanded (usually in the form of "Ecology" articles) scores more.
Some of Ed's favorites among his creations include the Curst, the Crawling Claws, the Wingless Wonder, Weredragons, Watchghosts, Death Tyrant beholders, Elder Orb beholders, Gauth beholders, Deathkiss beholders, Eyeball beholders, Darktentacles, Tressym, flying snakes (the Deathfang and Flying Fang), the Steel Shadow, the Sharn, the Phaerimm, the Tomb Tapper (Thaalud), the Helmed Horror, the Dread, the Alhoon (Illithilich), the Dracolich, the Tentacled Torment, the Flameskull, and the Deepspawn.
These are those I know, just off the top of my head, that Ed has a fondness for; he can probably add more.
But he created more official magic items for D&D than monsters, and more spells than magic items.
In fact, if you stripped away Ed's additions to the game, you'd be astonished at how much would disappear. Yes, later designers have revamped Ed's creations, so there are lots of sourcebooks that don't have Ed's name on the covers or credits, that rework (or even use newly created) Ed-lore, that someone not familiar with the inside story of how this or that book got written wouldn't realize.

love to all,
THO

Edited by - The Hooded One on 05 Feb 2011 03:08:08
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A Gavel
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Posted - 05 Feb 2011 :  03:18:49  Show Profile  Visit A Gavel's Homepage Send A Gavel a Private Message
Of Ed's many, many critters, I always liked the often-overlooked Peltast, myself.
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A Gavel
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Posted - 05 Feb 2011 :  03:19:33  Show Profile  Visit A Gavel's Homepage Send A Gavel a Private Message
And, of course, Tressym. Winged cats...awww....

Edited by - A Gavel on 05 Feb 2011 03:20:44
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Malcolm
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Posted - 05 Feb 2011 :  03:23:53  Show Profile  Visit Malcolm's Homepage Send Malcolm a Private Message
Well, I'd have to pipe up in support of Beholder Mages and Malaugrym, as MY faves amongst Ed's monstrous creations.
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Broken Helm
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USA
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Posted - 05 Feb 2011 :  03:26:43  Show Profile  Visit Broken Helm's Homepage Send Broken Helm a Private Message
How about his Beholder Killers? Which he had a cool name for, but someone clumsily renamed "Beholderkin, Gouger" for their MONSTERS OF FAERUN appearance? Those are baaaaad.
BH
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Longtime Lurker
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Posted - 05 Feb 2011 :  03:29:17  Show Profile  Visit Longtime Lurker's Homepage Send Longtime Lurker a Private Message
Don't forget the Lock Lurker!
LL
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Deathspawned
Acolyte

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Posted - 05 Feb 2011 :  03:29:29  Show Profile  Visit Deathspawned's Homepage Send Deathspawned a Private Message
Thank you for a swift reply Lady :) if Ed has anything else to add i will be more than happy to read it,but you seem to have summed it up as a question for annother...
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A Publishing Lackey
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Posted - 05 Feb 2011 :  03:31:37  Show Profile  Visit A Publishing Lackey's Homepage Send A Publishing Lackey a Private Message
Neglect not the Dark Naga, either, or the Banelar...
My word, Ed HAS created a lot of monsters in D&D, hasn't he?
Impressive...
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Deathspawned
Acolyte

USA
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Posted - 05 Feb 2011 :  03:32:44  Show Profile  Visit Deathspawned's Homepage Send Deathspawned a Private Message
This is a question Ed may be able to answer for me(NDA'S aside)...What ever hapened to Narm(from spellfire) after shan was no more(so to speak)?
Will we see him again in print or has 4th ED killed that possability?
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

5043 Posts

Posted - 05 Feb 2011 :  03:36:19  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Deathspawned, I think that's NDA right now, because Ed did do a detailed (though not long) writeup of Narm's life and doings after HAND OF FIRE (plus a short story or two), which Wizards owns but hasn't yet published. Which means whether or not you'll see it is up to them (Ed isn't free to share it with us).
love,
THO
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Deathspawned
Acolyte

USA
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Posted - 05 Feb 2011 :  03:51:35  Show Profile  Visit Deathspawned's Homepage Send Deathspawned a Private Message
:( Darn.... TY again for the swift reply.
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