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Jelennet
Learned Scribe
Russia
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 Posted - 25 Dec 2010 : 10:27:31
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I enjoy reading fantasy stories about love. Drizzt has fallen in love with Cattie-brie, Liriel with Fyodor, etc. So what is the greatest love story in the Realms and why?
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
1190 Posts |
Posted - 25 Dec 2010 : 10:51:45
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Laeral Silverhand Arunsun and Khelben Arunsun. Nuff said.
My personal favorite is Alea Dahast and Baerauble Etharr. Curse whoever decided to separate them by making Baerauble the Crown Mage of Cormyr and Alea leave with Iliphar... |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3285 Posts |
Posted - 25 Dec 2010 : 11:00:30
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| Shadril and Narm, or Elminster and The Simbul... |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Dec 2010 : 13:11:29
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| A tie between Liriel-Fyodor and Laeral-Khelben. On the other hand, I always find Elminster and Alassra an odd couple. They are close in actual age, but I imagine The Simbul maintaining her 30's looks, while Elminster looks really old. |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 25 Dec 2010 : 13:43:21
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For pure epic-ness I'd go with Khelben and Laeral.
For best written one I'd say Arilyn and Danilo. |
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Synthalus
Learned Scribe
USA
170 Posts |
Posted - 25 Dec 2010 : 13:46:08
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(Laeral Silverhand Arunsun and Khelben Arunsun. Nuff said.)
I couldn't say it better myself Zireael
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GRYPHON
Senior Scribe
USA
527 Posts |
Posted - 25 Dec 2010 : 14:19:19
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
7968 Posts |
Posted - 25 Dec 2010 : 14:33:32
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| Alias and the saurial Dragonbait - not romantic lovers (that would be squicky) but "soulmates" bonded through magic, adversity, companionship, and shared experience. Alternately, the tragedy of failed budding love between Lathander and Tyche, or between Helm and Murdane; both tales more epic in scope than little mortals like Khelben and Laeral. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 25 Dec 2010 : 14:58:21
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Originally posted by Kajehase
For pure epic-ness I'd go with Khelben and Laeral.
For best written one I'd say Arilyn and Danilo.
I'd have to agree. Though with Khelben and Laeral, what makes the story special to me is the centuries it took them to actually get together. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 25 Dec 2010 : 14:58:52
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Originally posted by Arik
Alias and the saurial Dragonbait - not romantic lovers (that would be squicky) but "soulmates" bonded through magic, adversity, companionship, and shared experience. Alternately, the tragedy of failed budding love between Lathander and Tyche, or between Helm and Murdane; both tales more epic in scope than little mortals like Khelben and Laeral.
Alias and Dragonbait consider each other to be siblings. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 25 Dec 2010 : 15:06:27
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Kajehase
For pure epic-ness I'd go with Khelben and Laeral.
For best written one I'd say Arilyn and Danilo.
I'd have to agree. Though with Khelben and Laeral, what makes the story special to me is the centuries it took them to actually get together.
That, and the fact that it kinda reminds me of the way the Lady K and I got together... though without as many centuries. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 25 Dec 2010 : 15:23:04
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Kajehase
For pure epic-ness I'd go with Khelben and Laeral.
For best written one I'd say Arilyn and Danilo.
I'd have to agree. Though with Khelben and Laeral, what makes the story special to me is the centuries it took them to actually get together.
That, and the fact that it kinda reminds me of the way the Lady K and I got together... though without as many centuries.
Obviously, it wasn't on the to-do list! |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 25 Dec 2010 : 18:55:51
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Semmemon and Ashemi, because it's so unexpected.
Thus proving true love can be found in the darkest of hearts.
Heroes who fall in love are a dime-a-dozen. 
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Obviously, it wasn't on the to-do list!
The Lady K WASN'T on Sage's 'to do' list? 
Even I'm not scoundrel enough to take that one any further... |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
USA
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
921 Posts |
Posted - 26 Dec 2010 : 02:10:48
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Originally posted by Markustay
Semmemon and Ashemi, because it's so unexpected.
Thus proving true love can be found in the darkest of hearts.
Heroes who fall in love are a dime-a-dozen.
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Obviously, it wasn't on the to-do list!
The Lady K WASN'T on Sage's 'to do' list?
Even I'm not scoundrel enough to take that one any further...
I do believe we've covered this ground before --
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Yes, you're on my list, too, but it's just another "To-Do" objective that I've not had the time to complete.
I'm on the list too. Aren't I?  
I would hope that you'd be too much of a priority to make the to-do list. The to-do list should be for stuff to do later, not immediately.
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Elfinblade
Senior Scribe
Norway
377 Posts |
Posted - 26 Dec 2010 : 13:22:31
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Originally posted by Markustay
Semmemon and Ashemi, because it's so unexpected.
Thus proving true love can be found in the darkest of hearts.
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Thauramarth
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
729 Posts |
Posted - 26 Dec 2010 : 13:51:57
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Adding to the chorus: in the category romantic drama:Laeral and Khelben. Many centuries of touch-and-go, then touch, and (relatively quickly) go. In the category romantic comedy: Danilo and Arilyn.
Dishonourable mention (because it shows that the old boy has a heart, of sorts): Manshoon and Symgharyl (sp?) "the Shadowsil" Maruel. After all, Manny rode out to avenge her. Not the man's regular habit. |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
1190 Posts |
Posted - 26 Dec 2010 : 13:55:36
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| No one mentions Alea & Baerauble? Nobody ever noticed them? |
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Dennis
Great Reader
9933 Posts |
Posted - 26 Dec 2010 : 13:57:18
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| Tammith and Bareris deserve an honorable mention. Despite that he knew his lover's soul had been shattered the moment she was turned into a vampire, he never stopped believing she would remember him, not as an enemy, but as her fiance. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 26 Dec 2010 : 15:53:05
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Originally posted by Elfinblade
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Semmemon and Ashemi, because it's so unexpected.
Thus proving true love can be found in the darkest of hearts.
Seconded :)
I'll agree. That one is another good call. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 26 Dec 2010 : 16:17:59
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Elfinblade
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Originally posted by Markustay
Semmemon and Ashemi, because it's so unexpected.
Thus proving true love can be found in the darkest of hearts.
Seconded :)
I'll agree. That one is another good call.
Actually, I'm curious as to whether Krash might have something to add to this. Might have to ask him in his scroll. |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
1190 Posts |
Posted - 26 Dec 2010 : 18:19:57
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Originally posted by dennis
Tammith and Bareris deserve an honorable mention. Despite that he knew his lover's soul had been shattered the moment she was turned into a vampire, he never stopped believing she would remember him, not as an enemy, but as her fiance.
Which book are they from? |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Dec 2010 : 18:33:05
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Originally posted by Zireael
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Originally posted by dennis
Tammith and Bareris deserve an honorable mention. Despite that he knew his lover's soul had been shattered the moment she was turned into a vampire, he never stopped believing she would remember him, not as an enemy, but as her fiance.
Which book are they from?
The Haunted Lands trilogy. Their love story provided a little "light" to the rather dark atmosphere of the series. |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
1272 Posts |
Posted - 26 Dec 2010 : 18:46:16
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Liriel and Fyodor. 
It has everything: a rocky relationship, pathos, drama, and at the end, true deep love. Which is all the more powerful because Liriel came from a culture devoid of true love, so she had to learn all of what that entailed.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 26 Dec 2010 : 20:06:03
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Elfinblade
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Originally posted by Markustay
Semmemon and Ashemi, because it's so unexpected.
Thus proving true love can be found in the darkest of hearts.
Seconded :)
I'll agree. That one is another good call.
Actually, I'm curious as to whether Krash might have something to add to this. Might have to ask him in his scroll.
As an armchair psychologist (my degree in special education was never completed, but I did take more then a couple of psych courses), and with some of my own 'worldliness' (In other words, I've met quite a number of very strange folks in my day), I would say there is an 'eeewww' element involved in-there somewhere.
I don't want to get too sexual (because this really isn't the site for THAT kind of fan-fic), but Ashemi obviously has a certain amount of 'tomboy-ness' in her (to put it delicately), and Semmemon seems the type to be a wee bit 'gender confused' (thats not actually the proper term for what I am thinking, but it applies to a certain RW person I know that likes women who behave like men).
It seems obvious to me that Sememmon is attracted to her because she is not 'prissy-feminine'.
Which makes me now wonder if the Zhentarrim ever practiced a Sparta-like 'warrior brotherhood' type of... ummmm... social behavior. I believe something along these lines was asked of Ed once, but I don't think the Zhents were specifically mentioned (in either question or answer in regards to those types of situations).
In any case, Ashemi would be considered a 'handsome woman', which attracts a certain type of male. |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 26 Dec 2010 : 20:37:54
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...I don't want to get too sexual (because this really isn't the site for THAT kind of fan-fic), but Ashemi obviously has a certain amount of 'tomboy-ness' in her (to put it delicately), and Semmemon seems the type to be a wee bit 'gender confused' (thats not actually the proper term for what I am thinking, but it applies to a certain RW person I know that likes women who behave like men).
It seems obvious to me that Sememmon is attracted to her because she is not 'prissy-feminine'.
Which makes me now wonder if the Zhentarrim ever practiced a Sparta-like 'warrior brotherhood' type of... ummmm... social behavior. I believe something along these lines was asked of Ed once, but I don't think the Zhents were specifically mentioned (in either question or answer in regards to those types of situations).
In any case, Ashemi would be considered a 'handsome woman', which attracts a certain type of male.
Wow... I didn't ever get the impression that Ashemmi was uh... masculine, or butchy. And I didn't ever picture Semmemon being femme, not at all. On the contrary, I always sort of pictured Ashemmi as the classic "rescued lass in peril" when it came to her relationship with Semmemon. He always seemed like a "regular guy" although pragmatic, fearless and of course evil. But not evil with a capital E.
Where did you get this from? Maybe I've missed something. Like completely.
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 26 Dec 2010 : 20:55:08
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 26 Dec 2010 : 21:16:22
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Correct, and there is a certain sub-set of 'gender challenged' that are lesbians trapped in a man's body (talk about confusing!)
I never said Semmemon was a 'sissy boy' - quite the contrary. The RW person I am thinking of in context of him is quite masculine, by all appearances. However, being related to him (through marriage), I know more about him then I care to, and his rather odd tastes (and he has a drop-dead gorgeous wife).
Where do I get that impression of Ashemi? She spent most of her career poising as a man... and no-one could tell. Either the Zhentarrim are even stupider then often depicted, or they had absolutely no reason to suspect anything to the contrary.
Saying that Semmemon is attracted to 'masculine' woman has no bearing on his own masculinity. People still worship Mystra, and if you ever saw that 3e pic of her you would wonder about Elminster's sexuality as well. She's a damn drag-queen!
Then again, many of FR's goddesses were depicted in a very masculine fashion in 3e, which makes me now wonder more about the artist's inclinations then it does about FR's gods (since they can appear any way they please). A women can be 'handsome', and still be very attractive by 'normal' standards - I can think of several Hollywood-types that fit this bill. Personally, I never understood what other men saw in Demi Moore. |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 26 Dec 2010 : 21:38:16
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Originally posted by Markustay
Correct, and there is a certain sub-set of 'gender challenged' that are lesbians trapped in a man's body (talk about confusing!)
I never said Semmemon was a 'sissy boy' - quite the contrary. The RW person I am thinking of in context of him is quite masculine, by all appearances. However, being related to him (through marriage), I know more about him then I care to, and his rather odd tastes (and he has a drop-dead gorgeous wife).
Where do I get that impression of Ashemi? She spent most of her career poising as a man... and no-one could tell. Either the Zhentarrim are even stupider then often depicted, or they had absolutely no reason to suspect anything to the contrary.
Saying that Semmemon is attracted to 'masculine' woman has no bearing on his own masculinity. People still worship Mystra, and if you ever saw that 3e pic of her you would wonder about Elminster's sexuality as well. She's a damn drag-queen!
Then again, many of FR's goddesses were depicted in a very masculine fashion in 3e, which makes me now wonder more about the artist's inclinations then it does about FR's gods (since they can appear any way they please). A women can be 'handsome', and still be very attractive by 'normal' standards - I can think of several Hollywood-types that fit this bill. Personally, I never understood what other men saw in Demi Moore.
Haha! Okay, no offense but I think you might be reading a little too much into Ashemmi and into Semmemon as well. Just because she was impersonating a male human doesn't mean she didn't still have or display feminine characteristics while working in the Zhentarim. Perhaps it was a moment of acting girly that made Semmemon suspicious, and he later saw through her disguise. I can easily imagine a "Shakespeare in Love" movie moment between the two, where their natural chemistry quickly becomes a passionate lovemaking session (perhaps on furs, in front of a fire) once the moustache cames off and the "treasure chest" is uh, exposed.
Ed Greenwood -loves- that kind of thing, so I can totally picture it.
As to whether or not she was "handsome" in her real form rather than beautiful, that's probably up to the reader.
... and the 3E Mystra was butchy? Wow Markus... just wow.
I'm gonna go have a giggle fit, and come back later. *hugs*
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 26 Dec 2010 : 21:57:29
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For no-one to have suspected a thing for years means she was either the Realms greatest actress, or something about 'him' never gave any clue.
That's all I am saying.
Perhaps I am reading too much into it - I do have a tendency to over-analyze everything.
I don't mean for any of that to be 'a canon fact' - that was just IMHO of that particular situation. Considering how little we have to go on, anyone can spin it any way they want in their Realms. I have absolutely no plans to ever use those two, but I just felt like relating my own assessments of them, considering I used them as my answer to this thread. I also don't find anything 'wrong' with them, AT ALL, quite the contrary - just two people who fate threw together, who managed to find love in the face of adversity.
I just thought that was kinda... special. |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 26 Dec 2010 : 22:20:37
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For no-one to have suspected a thing for years means she was either the Realms greatest actress, or something about 'him' never gave any clue.
That's all I am saying.
Perhaps I am reading too much into it - I do have a tendency to over-analyze everything.
I don't mean for any of that to be 'a canon fact' - that was just IMHO of that particular situation. Considering how little we have to go on, anyone can spin it any way they want in their Realms. I have absolutely no plans to ever use those two, but I just felt like relating my own assessments of them, considering I used them as my answer to this thread. I also don't find anything 'wrong' with them, AT ALL, quite the contrary - just two people who fate threw together, who managed to find love in the face of adversity.
I just thought that was kinda... special.
Absolutely, I mean look at how I'm looking at it, from my perspective as a woman. I was all over the romance and how he'd rescued her, even saved her from the evil spell suppressing her true emotions. For me, it was half "Shakespeare in Love" and half "Twelfth Night."
"Oh Duke Orsino!" *heavy sigh*
So romantic! Semmemon is all man, chivalrous and faithful. That's some damn sexy Realms stuff there! We should get a novel about them, preferably written by Elaine Cunningham, that's what I'd like.
And he's taller and more handsome than Khelben, did I mention that?
*cough*
Anyway, you're absolutely right. We tend to pull in our own experiences and desires into books.
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The greatest love story in the Realms?
