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Ayrik
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Posted - 21 Dec 2010 :  14:46:40  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I dunno ... the story of Zzird the Beholder, renegade outcast from the underdark, who wanders the North with his companions Brainer Battlehammer ("Yeah, Zzird is mighty fierce ... but he's good at keepin' wizards away"), Elivo Underfoot ("Zzird is really a sensitive guy, y'know, but awful hard to sneak up on"), and Gulpgar the Barbarian ("Zzird talks too much") ... now that's some really good fiction.

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Ah, of course. Never play leapfrog with a unicorn.
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Synthalus
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Posted - 21 Dec 2010 :  15:06:23  Show Profile  Visit Synthalus's Homepage Send Synthalus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Xvarts and deep stalkers would make interesting character races to play. Ive always been fond of trying to play exotic character races myself but ive never played either of these two races. would be interested if anyone had any experiances playing these races before that would like to share?

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 21 Dec 2010 :  15:20:56  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by _Jarlaxle_

quote:
Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis

I don't imagine a beholder would be welcome anywhere, either, no matter how "good" it was.


But who would dare to tell him so?



One of the adventure hooks I wrote for the Compendium, back in the day, focused on a renegade beholder that was happily acting as a hidden adviser for a noble family.

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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 21 Dec 2010 :  21:32:35  Show Profile  Click to see Alystra Illianniis's MSN Messenger address Send Alystra Illianniis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
What about a leprechaun or a nymph? Dryad with a tree-ring to leave her grove? Revenants might be fun to play.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 21 Dec 2010 :  21:53:42  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis

What about a leprechaun or a nymph?


I'd be afraid to play a leprechaun -- people would always be after me Lucky Charms!

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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 21 Dec 2010 :  22:35:26  Show Profile  Click to see Alystra Illianniis's MSN Messenger address Send Alystra Illianniis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Wooly, only YOU would go there.... Okay, so maybe I would, too. ;)

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis

Dryad with a tree-ring to leave her grove?
DISCWORLD offers an intriguing perspective on dryad cross-breeds, as I recall. I'll have to dig out the books for a proper reference, though.

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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 21 Dec 2010 :  23:58:05  Show Profile  Click to see Alystra Illianniis's MSN Messenger address Send Alystra Illianniis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Everyone seems to like Diskworld. To be honest, I know next to nothing about it. Any good?

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis

Everyone seems to like Diskworld. To be honest, I know next to nothing about it. Any good?

If you'd like a fantastical series that draws inspiration from just about every field of study, reference, and events from our world, along with a sometimes not-so-subtle sense of humour, then I think you'll really like Pratchett's works.

If you're interested in learning more, I'd recommend a perusal of this site.

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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 22 Dec 2010 :  00:15:04  Show Profile  Click to see Alystra Illianniis's MSN Messenger address Send Alystra Illianniis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ah, bless you, Sage. You are, as always, a veritable font of information and *ahem* wisdom!

The Goddess is alive, and magic is afoot.

"Where Science ends, Magic begins" -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491

"You idiots! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -Spaceballs

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Ayrik
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Posted - 22 Dec 2010 :  04:19:21  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
You'll find Discworld books at every library; hugely popular best-selling pulp sorta stuff, so no library would dare to not have at least a few titles. There is probably something of a recommended reading order or chronology or whatever, though I've found that you can just read the books in whatever order you like because - aside from a few minor in-jokes and extra little references you might not properly understand - they're basically all standalone stories.

Eat lots of garlic - it keeps the elves and vampires away.
Don't stick your sword into dragons, you just don't know where they've been.
Avoid stepping on halflings. They stick to your boots, will smell awful, and are impossible to scrape off.
Ah, of course. Never play leapfrog with a unicorn.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 22 Dec 2010 :  04:31:43  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Arik

You'll find Discworld books at every library; hugely popular best-selling pulp sorta stuff, so no library would dare to not have at least a few titles. There is probably something of a recommended reading order or chronology or whatever, though I've found that you can just read the books in whatever order you like because - aside from a few minor in-jokes and extra little references you might not properly understand - they're basically all standalone stories.



I was told you could jump in at any point... And then I read one of the books. It didn't really grab me, and part of the reason is because I felt I had come into the middle of the story.

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Arik

You'll find Discworld books at every library; hugely popular best-selling pulp sorta stuff, so no library would dare to not have at least a few titles. There is probably something of a recommended reading order or chronology or whatever, though I've found that you can just read the books in whatever order you like because - aside from a few minor in-jokes and extra little references you might not properly understand - they're basically all standalone stories.



I was told you could jump in at any point... And then I read one of the books. It didn't really grab me, and part of the reason is because I felt I had come into the middle of the story.

The best suggestion for a reading order for the DISCWORLD novels can be found here.

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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 22 Dec 2010 :  17:54:07  Show Profile  Click to see Alystra Illianniis's MSN Messenger address Send Alystra Illianniis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I can see why wooly was confused. The reading order seems rather complex.....

The Goddess is alive, and magic is afoot.

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Wooly Rupert
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Apparently the book I read was right in the middle of the Watch novels...

Getting back to character races, I just recalled that I've long been interested in the loxo...

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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 22 Dec 2010 :  18:42:51  Show Profile  Click to see Alystra Illianniis's MSN Messenger address Send Alystra Illianniis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Loxo? Interesting choice. But they're planar, aren't they? anyone know where to find stats on Saurials?

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Ayrik
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Posted - 22 Dec 2010 :  18:46:03  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
All four of the Saurial races are greatly detailed in PHBR10: Complete Book of Humanoids, insofar as functioning as game characters.

[Edit]

I just found the Serpent Kingdoms "Saurials: More Lizardkin" Web Enhancement.

Eat lots of garlic - it keeps the elves and vampires away.
Don't stick your sword into dragons, you just don't know where they've been.
Avoid stepping on halflings. They stick to your boots, will smell awful, and are impossible to scrape off.
Ah, of course. Never play leapfrog with a unicorn.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 22 Dec 2010 :  19:04:11  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis

Loxo? Interesting choice. But they're planar, aren't they?


Plains-er, maybe.

I'm away from my books, but they are a race that lives within the Realms.

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Ayrik
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I can't remember the loxo, but the internet seems to suggest they are associated with spelljammer lore.

Eat lots of garlic - it keeps the elves and vampires away.
Don't stick your sword into dragons, you just don't know where they've been.
Avoid stepping on halflings. They stick to your boots, will smell awful, and are impossible to scrape off.
Ah, of course. Never play leapfrog with a unicorn.
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Synthalus
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Posted - 22 Dec 2010 :  19:20:08  Show Profile  Visit Synthalus's Homepage Send Synthalus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Saurials are great i forgot about them. thanks Alystra for bringing them up. Its been a long time since i played one and i think my next character is going to be one now. :)

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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 22 Dec 2010 :  19:22:06  Show Profile  Click to see Alystra Illianniis's MSN Messenger address Send Alystra Illianniis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I only mentioned it because I seem to recall them being in the Planescape MM. Or it might have been the Monstrous Compendium annual. Volume 4, I think?

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Wooly Rupert
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Huh, coulda sworn they were an FR race... I know at least one is in the Realms; maybe that was throwing me off.

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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 22 Dec 2010 :  20:18:38  Show Profile  Click to see Alystra Illianniis's MSN Messenger address Send Alystra Illianniis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It's possible they were intro'ed through the Realms. Might have been one of Ed's pet critters that got loose....

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Synthalus
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Saurials were introduced originally in the Forgotten Realms campaign setting in the Serpent Kingdoms supplement book, though it has oftened been said they would be equally at home in such a place as the Talenta Plains in Eberron. In the Forgotten Realms, Saurials dwell in the Dalelands, in a hidden place known as the Lost Vale. They are said to have hailed from another world (possibly earth), and were stranded in Faern via the actions of the evil deity Moander.
excerpt from Wikipedia:

More intelligent than lizardfolk and inclined to be peaceful and civilized, the saurials have maintained a thriving community in near-complete isolation for nearly fifteen years. Tales of these so-called dragonfolk (though they are actually dinosaur-like) pervade many cultures, but few humans have actually seen them.


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Ayrik
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Basic background for the saurials is given in the sources I mentioned (and linked to) above; that wiki quote is taken verbatim from the web enhancement.

The full background is more fully explained in the Finder's Stone novel trilogy; saurial presence in the Realms dates back to the 1988/1E Azure Bonds novel and certainly predates Serpent Kingdoms; indeed, in a way, the race (as a concept devised perhaps as early as 1984) may even predate old Drizzt. (According to this timeline the events of this novel occur in 1333DR; whereas Menzoberranzan states that Drizzt was born 1297DR).

Eat lots of garlic - it keeps the elves and vampires away.
Don't stick your sword into dragons, you just don't know where they've been.
Avoid stepping on halflings. They stick to your boots, will smell awful, and are impossible to scrape off.
Ah, of course. Never play leapfrog with a unicorn.
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Edited by - Ayrik on 22 Dec 2010 20:50:35
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