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Ayrik
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Posted - 22 Dec 2010 :  04:19:21  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
You'll find Discworld books at every library; hugely popular best-selling pulp sorta stuff, so no library would dare to not have at least a few titles. There is probably something of a recommended reading order or chronology or whatever, though I've found that you can just read the books in whatever order you like because - aside from a few minor in-jokes and extra little references you might not properly understand - they're basically all standalone stories.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 22 Dec 2010 :  04:31:43  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Arik

You'll find Discworld books at every library; hugely popular best-selling pulp sorta stuff, so no library would dare to not have at least a few titles. There is probably something of a recommended reading order or chronology or whatever, though I've found that you can just read the books in whatever order you like because - aside from a few minor in-jokes and extra little references you might not properly understand - they're basically all standalone stories.



I was told you could jump in at any point... And then I read one of the books. It didn't really grab me, and part of the reason is because I felt I had come into the middle of the story.

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Arik

You'll find Discworld books at every library; hugely popular best-selling pulp sorta stuff, so no library would dare to not have at least a few titles. There is probably something of a recommended reading order or chronology or whatever, though I've found that you can just read the books in whatever order you like because - aside from a few minor in-jokes and extra little references you might not properly understand - they're basically all standalone stories.



I was told you could jump in at any point... And then I read one of the books. It didn't really grab me, and part of the reason is because I felt I had come into the middle of the story.

The best suggestion for a reading order for the DISCWORLD novels can be found here.

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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 22 Dec 2010 :  17:54:07  Show Profile Send Alystra Illianniis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I can see why wooly was confused. The reading order seems rather complex.....

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Wooly Rupert
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Apparently the book I read was right in the middle of the Watch novels...

Getting back to character races, I just recalled that I've long been interested in the loxo...

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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 22 Dec 2010 :  18:42:51  Show Profile Send Alystra Illianniis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Loxo? Interesting choice. But they're planar, aren't they? anyone know where to find stats on Saurials?

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Ayrik
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Posted - 22 Dec 2010 :  18:46:03  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
All four of the Saurial races are greatly detailed in PHBR10: Complete Book of Humanoids, insofar as functioning as game characters.

[Edit]

I just found the Serpent Kingdoms "Saurials: More Lizardkin" Web Enhancement.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 22 Dec 2010 :  19:04:11  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis

Loxo? Interesting choice. But they're planar, aren't they?


Plains-er, maybe.

I'm away from my books, but they are a race that lives within the Realms.

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Ayrik
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I can't remember the loxo, but the internet seems to suggest they are associated with spelljammer lore.

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Synthalus
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Posted - 22 Dec 2010 :  19:20:08  Show Profile  Visit Synthalus's Homepage Send Synthalus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Saurials are great i forgot about them. thanks Alystra for bringing them up. Its been a long time since i played one and i think my next character is going to be one now. :)

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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 22 Dec 2010 :  19:22:06  Show Profile Send Alystra Illianniis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I only mentioned it because I seem to recall them being in the Planescape MM. Or it might have been the Monstrous Compendium annual. Volume 4, I think?

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Wooly Rupert
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Huh, coulda sworn they were an FR race... I know at least one is in the Realms; maybe that was throwing me off.

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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 22 Dec 2010 :  20:18:38  Show Profile Send Alystra Illianniis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It's possible they were intro'ed through the Realms. Might have been one of Ed's pet critters that got loose....

The Goddess is alive, and magic is afoot.

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Synthalus
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Posted - 22 Dec 2010 :  20:22:19  Show Profile  Visit Synthalus's Homepage Send Synthalus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Saurials were introduced originally in the Forgotten Realms campaign setting in the Serpent Kingdoms supplement book, though it has oftened been said they would be equally at home in such a place as the Talenta Plains in Eberron. In the Forgotten Realms, Saurials dwell in the Dalelands, in a hidden place known as the Lost Vale. They are said to have hailed from another world (possibly earth), and were stranded in Faerūn via the actions of the evil deity Moander.
excerpt from Wikipedia:

More intelligent than lizardfolk and inclined to be peaceful and civilized, the saurials have maintained a thriving community in near-complete isolation for nearly fifteen years. Tales of these so-called dragonfolk (though they are actually dinosaur-like) pervade many cultures, but few humans have actually seen them.


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Ayrik
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Posted - 22 Dec 2010 :  20:34:59  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Basic background for the saurials is given in the sources I mentioned (and linked to) above; that wiki quote is taken verbatim from the web enhancement.

The full background is more fully explained in the Finder's Stone novel trilogy; saurial presence in the Realms dates back to the 1988/1E Azure Bonds novel and certainly predates Serpent Kingdoms; indeed, in a way, the race (as a concept devised perhaps as early as 1984) may even predate old Drizzt. (According to this timeline the events of this novel occur in 1333DR; whereas Menzoberranzan states that Drizzt was born 1297DR).

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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 22 Dec 2010 :  20:38:05  Show Profile Send Alystra Illianniis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Interesting. May have to add some of this to my list of "things to hunt down".

The Goddess is alive, and magic is afoot.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 22 Dec 2010 :  20:43:43  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis

Interesting. May have to add some of this to my list of "things to hunt down".



The Finder's Stone trilogy is one of the few trilogies I readily recommend to all fans of the Realms. Few authors have showcased the Realms as well and show as much regard for the setting as Kate Novak and Jeff Grubb. And that's the same Jeff Grubb that helped turn Ed's notes into the Old Grey Box.

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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 22 Dec 2010 :  20:53:34  Show Profile Send Alystra Illianniis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Wait- you mean there's ANOTHER one?!! LOL!!

The Goddess is alive, and magic is afoot.

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Ayrik
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Posted - 22 Dec 2010 :  21:37:41  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Looking through my 1E/2E FR stuff, I see Jeff Grubb's name beside Ed Greenwood's on almost every product. He was clearly instrumental in creating the Realms as we all know (or knew) it - and a ton of other D&D rulebooks and novels beyond the Realms - far more involved than I'd initially thought. Kate Novak's name is easily recognized from many novels, but somehow ol' Grubby always seemed more like an "extra name" listed in the credits ... until now.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 22 Dec 2010 :  21:45:59  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Arik

Looking through my 1E/2E FR stuff, I see Jeff Grubb's name beside Ed Greenwood's on almost every product. He was clearly instrumental in creating the Realms as we all know (or knew) it - and a ton of other D&D rulebooks and novels beyond the Realms - far more involved than I'd initially thought. Kate Novak's name is easily recognized from many novels, but somehow ol' Grubby always seemed more like an "extra name" listed in the credits ... until now.



Not only did he help turn Ed's notes into all those old Realms sourcebooks, some of his own contributions made their way in, too -- like the goddess Waukeen or the name Abeir-Toril.

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Christopher_Rowe
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Jeff Grubb wrote the Realms comic from DC that Rags Morales drew back in the day as well. Fond memories.

My Realms novel, Sandstorm, is now available for ordering.
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Matt James
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I have all of those... good times.
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The Sage
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Posted - 22 Dec 2010 :  23:22:40  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

Apparently the book I read was right in the middle of the Watch novels...
Yeah, that was probably a bad place to start.
quote:
Getting back to character races, I just recalled that I've long been interested in the loxo...
I've always liked the loxo. It's just too bad that there's virtually nothing about the Loxoth homeworld in the previous lore either.

Sharmra Lornra may know -- if you can survive long enough to ask her.

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

Huh, coulda sworn they were an FR race... I know at least one is in the Realms; maybe that was throwing me off.

We're told, in 3e's Shining South [and previous lore] that the Loxo arrived in Faerūn by spelljammer.

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Arik

Looking through my 1E/2E FR stuff, I see Jeff Grubb's name beside Ed Greenwood's on almost every product. He was clearly instrumental in creating the Realms as we all know (or knew) it - and a ton of other D&D rulebooks and novels beyond the Realms - far more involved than I'd initially thought. Kate Novak's name is easily recognized from many novels, but somehow ol' Grubby always seemed more like an "extra name" listed in the credits ... until now.



Not only did he help turn Ed's notes into all those old Realms sourcebooks, some of his own contributions made their way in, too -- like the goddess Waukeen or the name Abeir-Toril.

Yep. I'd search through past discussion scrolls on the subject, and Ed's compiled replies too, for more elaborate chatter of Jeff's grand contributions to the Realms.

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azare
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well i chose human for the basic reason that i like to picture myself as my pcs
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MalariaMoon
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I chose human because I thought no-one else would and I felt sorry for them. More fool me!
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ChieftainTwilight
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I go with Half-Orc, because of the myriad complex social situations it involves, the potential for great background history and storytelling, the exercise in culturally divided frames of mind, and the intricate advantages and disadvantages they have in various fields of Adventuring (both in typical terms and Urban settings).

and a heart can only break so many times
and I've been to hell and back so many times
and I've seen folks walk away so many times
but just like anyone else I gotta stand up by myself
and a heart can only break so many times
a heart can only break so many times
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Jakuta Khan
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well,

have to Hold the standard of the Goblinoids up here....

Hobgoblins, of course.
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Half-Golem Pseudonatural Vampiric Gnomes... or failing that, Dwarves!

Cedric! The Cleric Generic and Master of Disguise!

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