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Ayrik
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Posted - 23 Nov 2010 :  02:16:15  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Regular visitors to the Candlekeep forums have undoubtedly noticed that the scrolls are often difficult to access, being somehow absorbed within the boundaries of mysterious Sage Time. It is speculated that this havoc is caused by Sage's gremlin constructs escaping their cages. I wish him luck in correcting these problems, as I've noticed many (frustrated?) scribes have simply chosen to avoid CK altogether for a while, and thus the libraries have grown eerily silent.

I've seen numerous snippets of discussion about the recent slowdowns dispersed throughout many scrolls. I suggest that we limit such talk to this scroll; perhaps it may serve as a single place where Sage may read isolated reports, and for him to appraise us of the status of Candlekeep's portals and his valiant attempts to repair the extraplanar server spells. I cannot presume to speak for Sage, but I think this would take much less of his valuable time than scattered individual messages.

We have all read the cryptic "ASP ERROR 0113" message which denies entry to the CK forums. This suggests (to me) that, for a time anyhow, the portals leading into Candlekeep's halls can only admit a few scribes at any given time. A scribe must become inactive or leave before another can enter, and continued hammering at the gates only serves to aggravate the problem for all.

I offer a quick suggestion to my fellow scribes:
When submitting posts, allow your browser scrying device enough time to properly display your submission before attempting to submit again. I know firsthand that it can take many minutes and sometimes lead to errors, but attempting to resubmit many times simply creates redundant duplicates (which then require some cleanup). I recommend protecting all of your writings with the magical clipboard spell (invoke the somatic mouse gestures needed to highlight all of your text, then right-click and Copy; you can later right-click and Paste to rewrite the text effortlessly), this will prevent your submitted lore from being forever lost to the ether.

Eat lots of garlic - it keeps the elves and vampires away.
Don't stick your sword into dragons, you just don't know where they've been.
Avoid stepping on halflings. They stick to your boots, will smell awful, and are impossible to scrape off.
Ah, of course. Never play leapfrog with a unicorn.
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Posted - 23 Nov 2010 :  02:54:20  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Actually, I was thinking of opening something like this myself. [Or resurrecting the older similar scroll on the subject, that we opened a few years back when Candlekeep was again experiencing severe "gremlin-related" breeding problems.]

Anyways, this will help, as either myself or Alaundo can then easily identify any relevant info on new or recurring problems that we can hopefully correct, once we've the time.

...

The only bit I will add to Arik's declaration, is that we simply use this for new or very unusual problems. Regular error occurrences that we're all largely familiar with aren't really worth the entries, because they're probably already on our "tackle-lists."

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Dracons
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Posted - 23 Nov 2010 :  03:15:51  Show Profile  Visit Dracons's Homepage  Send Dracons a Yahoo! Message Send Dracons a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Seems to me, that it takes longer and longer to post replies for me. Sometimes not posting at all.

Then there was the -2 post thread. That was ....eerie. I have NO idea how that's possible.

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Posted - 23 Nov 2010 :  04:10:50  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dracons

Seems to me, that it takes longer and longer to post replies for me. Sometimes not posting at all.

Then there was the -2 post thread. That was ....eerie. I have NO idea how that's possible.

I recall that it has to do with an error in the forum registry tables which, although acknowledges the post, doesn't add it to the registry itself. So when you're seeing a negative post count for a scroll, it means that the registry has recorded the post, but hasn't actually positively added it to the scroll's post count. So, -2 would mean that although 2 posts were made, the ASP errors occurred while the posts where being made and, thus, didn't fully nor positively register.

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Dracons
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Posted - 23 Nov 2010 :  04:22:12  Show Profile  Visit Dracons's Homepage  Send Dracons a Yahoo! Message Send Dracons a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ahh.

Well, the Grimlens are in force right now against me. Posts taking forever to post, get the error, and though the post is made my post count isn't raised nor is the board made aware that there is a new post etc.

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Ayrik
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Posted - 23 Nov 2010 :  09:50:40  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
A question, cause unknown but probably not a bug at CK, not a bug at my end:

Why does my IE8 popup bar sometimes* claim "The website is trying to launch Windows Media Player" when I'm poking into my Private Messages?
* "Sometimes" meaning only in CK; often but not all the time; happens a lot but is puzzlingly not repeatable; apparently not affected by advanced security/configuration changes (as far as I can tell)

On another note -

Timeouts are pretty awful today. I've gotten several double-posts even when carefully not submitting more than once. Recent posts (mine and others I've noticed) often aren't updated on the forum lists (seemingly same server-update cause as the -1 posts explained above).

Eat lots of garlic - it keeps the elves and vampires away.
Don't stick your sword into dragons, you just don't know where they've been.
Avoid stepping on halflings. They stick to your boots, will smell awful, and are impossible to scrape off.
Ah, of course. Never play leapfrog with a unicorn.
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Edited by - Ayrik on 24 Nov 2010 06:59:19
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The Sage
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Posted - 24 Nov 2010 :  07:15:02  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Arik

A question, cause unknown but probably not a bug at CK, not a bug at my end:

Why does my IE8 popup bar sometimes* claim "The website is trying to launch Windows Media Player" when I'm poking into my Private Messages?
* "Sometimes" meaning only in CK; often but not all the time; happens a lot but is puzzlingly not repeatable; apparently not affected by advanced security/configuration changes (as far as I can tell)

On another note -

Timeouts are pretty awful today. I've gotten several double-posts even when carefully not submitting more than once. Recent posts (mine and others I've noticed) often aren't updated on the forum lists (seemingly same server-update cause as the -1 posts explained above).

I'm not sure why they've been so severe today. It's a little strange, actually.

However, I notice it's been running rather smoothly for the past hour or so. Almost like old times.

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Ayrik
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Posted - 24 Nov 2010 :  07:20:01  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Somehow the machine runs more smoothly whenever you're logged on, Sage. I looked up Streamline and saw that their uptime stats have been wavering a little lately (don't know what data the reports use, could be based on CK status or on something else entirely).

Eat lots of garlic - it keeps the elves and vampires away.
Don't stick your sword into dragons, you just don't know where they've been.
Avoid stepping on halflings. They stick to your boots, will smell awful, and are impossible to scrape off.
Ah, of course. Never play leapfrog with a unicorn.
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Edited by - Ayrik on 24 Nov 2010 07:20:23
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Dennis
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Posted - 25 Nov 2010 :  06:50:24  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Heh, I can longer recall how many times I got pestered by the gremlins...

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The Sage
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Posted - 25 Nov 2010 :  07:34:10  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Arik

Somehow the machine runs more smoothly whenever you're logged on, Sage. I looked up Streamline and saw that their uptime stats have been wavering a little lately (don't know what data the reports use, could be based on CK status or on something else entirely).

I actually would've thought my presence encouraged the exact opposite. After all, SageOS is a demanding mistress [in terms of using up server/system resources], and the amount of machines I've got hooked up to my main unit, I long suspected, should produce significant drain/lag on the servers.

Hmmm.

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Ayrik
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Posted - 25 Nov 2010 :  08:02:01  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Inexplicable. There are times when my scrolls hang indefinitely, somewhat to my worry when they contain lengthy new text, yet somehow instantly snap into place the moment Sage logs on. I seem to get exiled to Limbo moments after Sage logs off. Dunno what you're doing, just don't stop.

Eat lots of garlic - it keeps the elves and vampires away.
Don't stick your sword into dragons, you just don't know where they've been.
Avoid stepping on halflings. They stick to your boots, will smell awful, and are impossible to scrape off.
Ah, of course. Never play leapfrog with a unicorn.
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The Sage
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Posted - 25 Nov 2010 :  08:07:00  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, let's try and experiment a little with this, eh?

...

Like now, for example, I'm logging off shortly [little Narnra has a Doctor's appointment], so I'll be away for an hour or so. Let's see what happens to Candlekeep's performance once I'm gone.


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Ayrik
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Posted - 25 Nov 2010 :  09:31:00  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm astonished to report that CK was stable until you left around 8:20, then stayed stable until you returned a few minutes ago, Sage. Apparently my anecdotal observations were not or are not accurate.

Eat lots of garlic - it keeps the elves and vampires away.
Don't stick your sword into dragons, you just don't know where they've been.
Avoid stepping on halflings. They stick to your boots, will smell awful, and are impossible to scrape off.
Ah, of course. Never play leapfrog with a unicorn.
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Dennis
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Posted - 25 Nov 2010 :  10:17:43  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It works fine now. I don't think Sage's 'presence' alleviates nor worsens the problem...

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The Sage
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Posted - 25 Nov 2010 :  10:49:07  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, I've been back for the last twenty minutes or so...

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Dennis
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Posted - 26 Nov 2010 :  02:56:33  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sage, I think the problem has somehow escalated. I had to spend almost 10 mins just trying to post. {sigh}

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The Sage
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Posted - 26 Nov 2010 :  04:28:43  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dennis

Sage, I think the problem has somehow escalated. I had to spend almost 10 mins just trying to post. {sigh}

Hmmm. Seems to be working fine now.

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Dennis
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Posted - 26 Nov 2010 :  04:36:27  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Nope.

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Ayrik
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Posted - 26 Nov 2010 :  04:52:05  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The problem is vastly reduced for me. Twice today I posted a scroll which didn't update on the "Active Topics" list (as opposed to some dozen such occurrences yesterday), but the posts themselves were unaffected and quite punctual.

Eat lots of garlic - it keeps the elves and vampires away.
Don't stick your sword into dragons, you just don't know where they've been.
Avoid stepping on halflings. They stick to your boots, will smell awful, and are impossible to scrape off.
Ah, of course. Never play leapfrog with a unicorn.
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Dennis
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Posted - 26 Nov 2010 :  04:57:27  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Good for you. Other than the script error, viewing and posting at times take forever...

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Ayrik
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Posted - 26 Nov 2010 :  05:02:14  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
lol, no doubt the great internet lag pendulum will swing back towards my homeland soon enough.

Eat lots of garlic - it keeps the elves and vampires away.
Don't stick your sword into dragons, you just don't know where they've been.
Avoid stepping on halflings. They stick to your boots, will smell awful, and are impossible to scrape off.
Ah, of course. Never play leapfrog with a unicorn.
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Dennis
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Posted - 27 Nov 2010 :  05:37:59  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And the problem seems to refuse to vanish...

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Dracons
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Posted - 27 Nov 2010 :  06:49:47  Show Profile  Visit Dracons's Homepage  Send Dracons a Yahoo! Message Send Dracons a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Any idea when candlekeep 2 comes? At least the forums version? I mean, I know a webpage that gives exactly what you'd want, and I'm fairly sure it's very cheap.

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Posted - 27 Nov 2010 :  07:31:42  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dracons

Any idea when candlekeep 2 comes? At least the forums version? I mean, I know a webpage that gives exactly what you'd want, and I'm fairly sure it's very cheap.

It's not as much about cost, as it is working on the site update itself. Alaundo's rather busy with his real-life job and such, and I can only commit a few hours to it every so often.

As for *when* it will happen... "When will then be now? ...Soon."

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Dracons
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Posted - 27 Nov 2010 :  07:47:19  Show Profile  Visit Dracons's Homepage  Send Dracons a Yahoo! Message Send Dracons a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Gah. I could make one for you in a day and it be ready with the exception of avatars.

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The Sage
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Posted - 27 Nov 2010 :  08:08:57  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dracons

Gah. I could make one for you in a day and it be ready with the exception of avatars.

Probably. But you've no idea of what functions and added complexities we'd like to add to the basic format of the existing forum software.

While the current Candlekeep structure definitely has its strengths... it's also truly starting to show it's age as well. And a great deal needs to be improved upon. I'd be weary about any approach that offers to complete it all in "a single day."

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