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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 30 Apr 2011 :  05:24:06  Show Profile  Click to see Alystra Illianniis's MSN Messenger address Send Alystra Illianniis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
o....kay. I had not read that. How did he die THIS time?

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Dennis
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quote:
Originally posted by Dagnirion

quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


Not comics character. FR. And it's Pharaun.



-He was resurrected in the Fractured Sky series? And, then he died again? Oy vey...I didn't like the character too much, but...



I actually did like him. And didn't want him to die. We rarely see a drow who has a sense of humor.

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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 30 Apr 2011 :  05:36:11  Show Profile  Click to see Alystra Illianniis's MSN Messenger address Send Alystra Illianniis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Apparently only Jarlaxle and Liriel are allowed to have one and live....

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Dennis
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So Drizzt doesn't have a sense a humor? Not even a mote?

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Posted - 30 Apr 2011 :  05:52:03  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis

Only Jean/Phoenix really has a valid reason to keep coming back.

Maybe for the first couple of times... but it's almost become something of a running joke now. Especially considering the hype around Hope, and whether she really is reborn-Jean in teenage form.

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Dennis
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Posted - 30 Apr 2011 :  05:57:11  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote

Maybe they're taking the meaning of the "Phoenix" too literally? A being that can resurrect itself sans any outside help.

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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 30 Apr 2011 :  06:25:48  Show Profile  Send Lord Karsus an AOL message Send Lord Karsus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis

Only Jean/Phoenix really has a valid reason to keep coming back.

Maybe for the first couple of times... but it's almost become something of a running joke now. Especially considering the hype around Hope, and whether she really is reborn-Jean in teenage form.


-If it turns out that Hope is a reborn Jean, I'll admit that at least it's something new (like X-Force's reborn, young Apocalypse, that I didn't care for too much), but I soured on the idea. It seemed pretty cool when it was suggested at the end of Manifest Destiny, when Emma saw her doing her best Jean impression, but it soured on me. Then again, I don't like the whole "travel around the world activating other mutants' latent powers, Generation Hope" schpiel, either, so...Can't they just make her a little girl Cable is running around through time with, protecting her against Bishop again?

-A ha! To keep it on topic:

quote:
Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis

Apparently only Jarlaxle and Liriel are allowed to have one and live....



-Hey, that's mostly fine with me.

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Edited by - Lord Karsus on 30 Apr 2011 06:28:37
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 30 Apr 2011 :  06:50:55  Show Profile  Click to see Alystra Illianniis's MSN Messenger address Send Alystra Illianniis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Driizt? Nah- his humor is too dry. He must be a Brithish drow....

As for Hope being Jean- I had not heard of that. I lost track sometime around her being in the future with Cable, and X-Factor's Layla being stuck in a future time. Then came Spidey's OMIT, and I cried. No, really. It made me so angry that I cried. And since I'm nowhere within thirty miles of a comic store, and can't afford subscriptions, I've not read a comic since then. But I LOVED what they did with Jean at the end of Phoenix: Endsong. Phoenix: Warsong was cool, too- and that was where I wish they'd left her. Madelyn coming back was sort of annoying to me, and I prefer Rachel as Phoenix anyway. She's got a better handle on it.

On topic- There IS at least ONE other drow with a sense of humor- but he's not canon. He's in my campaigns. And just for you, Sage- he's a bard. (Yes, he's MY bard....) And if he WAS canon, then his half-sister might qualify for the list of arch-villainesses above. Morganna's one MEAN be-otch! (And she's only half-drow, so she's got all sorts of issues!)

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Dennis
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Posted - 30 Apr 2011 :  07:11:36  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote

Variance will probably be a "good" archvillainess. And perhaps the most interesting part would be to see how she would extricate herself from the strong clutch of Shade to be an independent meanie.

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To my fellow sribes,

Just curious, what do you prefer for an archvillainess, one who is purely evil, or one who's a little bit "shady"?

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Posted - 01 May 2011 :  05:50:59  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Like them shady...

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Dennis
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Posted - 01 May 2011 :  05:55:59  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote

Same here. I guess what makes a shady archvillainess (arguably) more interesting is that you often have to wonder what she will do next---as opposed to a pure evil one whose line of sight is completely straight.

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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 01 May 2011 :  06:02:55  Show Profile  Send Lord Karsus an AOL message Send Lord Karsus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis

To my fellow sribes,

Just curious, what do you prefer for an archvillainess, one who is purely evil, or one who's a little bit "shady"?



-The Banite Cleric from Finder's Bane andTymora's Luck, Walinda, was a great villainess.

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Dennis
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Posted - 01 May 2011 :  06:11:05  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dagnirion

quote:
Originally posted by Dennis

To my fellow sribes,

Just curious, what do you prefer for an archvillainess, one who is purely evil, or one who's a little bit "shady"?



-The Banite Cleric from Finder's Bane andTymora's Luck, Walinda, was a great villainess.



Those have been in my To-Read stacks for a very long time. What exactly did she do that makes her great? Spanked Bane.

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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 01 May 2011 :  06:17:13  Show Profile  Send Lord Karsus an AOL message Send Lord Karsus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Dennis

Those have been in my To-Read stacks for a very long time. What exactly did she do that makes her great? Spanked Bane.



-She embodied being a Banite very well- was evil, masochistic, wasn't averse to using her "womanly wiles" to get what she wanted, that kind of stuff- while, at the same time, was physically and emotionally/psychologically abused by her superior (which I won't say who he/she/it was, since you haven't read it yet). A very realistic character- and, she gets moreso in Tymora's Luck, based on decisions she makes.

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Dennis
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Posted - 01 May 2011 :  06:24:28  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote

So she's insane. But then again, what villainess isn't?

How bad was her masochism? Like Dolgan's? Thoroughly enjoying pain?

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Dennis
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Posted - 07 Oct 2011 :  19:36:04  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote

I forgot to list Yaphyll, who might have survived the War of the Zulkirs when she sent half of herself into the future. A powerful, accomplished, evil Diviner can do things worse than torture or death.

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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 11 Oct 2011 :  00:04:00  Show Profile  Click to see Alystra Illianniis's MSN Messenger address Send Alystra Illianniis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yeah, like tell you who's going to win the next five Presidential elections......

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Dennis
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Posted - 11 Oct 2011 :  04:33:15  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote

And what makes a Diviner more formidable is when she can counter any truth spells. By then she could easily manipulate anyone. She could tell what lies needed to change or facilitate a future outcome.

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Thauranil
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Posted - 26 Jan 2012 :  09:28:13  Show Profile Send Thauranil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis

Only Jean/Phoenix really has a valid reason to keep coming back.

Maybe for the first couple of times... but it's almost become something of a running joke now. Especially considering the hype around Hope, and whether she really is reborn-Jean in teenage form.



Yeah i have to agree with that. Hope should be a distinct person not yet another incarnation of Jean. I was frankly happy when Mageneto killed her err again. Besides i never liked this whole mutant extinction thing in the first place.
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Thauranil
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Oh i voted for Iyraclea by the way as i was impressed with her dastardliness and power in The Rage.
Hmm it seems that pretty much all the female villians have been killed off yet for a few like Quenthel who is the The Expletive Queen of Menzoberranza. i suppose they are already reminiscing about the good old days under old Matron Banrae.
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Dennis
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Posted - 26 Jan 2012 :  11:50:08  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote

Iyraclea wouldn't have died. She just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, with the wrong kind of people.

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Edited by - Dennis on 26 Jan 2012 11:50:33
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Artemas Entreri
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Originally posted by Dennis


Iyraclea wouldn't have died. She just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, with the wrong kind of people.



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I have to say that I am not a fan of archvillains, -esses or otherwise.

I do like conflict and I'm not averse to one or more sides involved in that conflict to be something that the reader could feel is 'double-plus-ungood', but I am much more in favour of political factions including a lot of different people than a singular evil mastermind employing faceless minions.

I did vote for Scyllua Darkhope, as I found her an interesting character and would have liked to see more focus on her in the 1370s era. In fact, one slumbering storyline* in my campaign involves knights sworn to her service defending the people of Scardale from various dangers. They aim to answer Cormyrean, Dalelands and Sembian propaganda about Zhentil Keep by their actions, behaving with courage, honour and nobility. Thus, they hope to make Scyllua's name s source of hope for the people of Scardale, making it far more likely that she will be accepted as heir to the rulership there in time.

Remember that few people imagine themselves to be the 'bad guys' and while some may have patently ridiculous and self-serving justifications for their actions, others may well be more admirable than characters ostensibly on the 'right' side. There are rabidly racist and bigoted Dalesmen, conniving and self-serving Cormyrean nobles and plenty of greedy and ruthless Sembians.

Scardale is a valuable piece of real estate with a potential port that could be leveraged into control of Dragon Reach trade in the future. Most of the polities around it either want it desperately or are equally desperate to prevent their enemies from having it. That kind of land-grab race isn't going to produce clear good vs. evil, it's going to reveal that the good guys don't always have lily-white motives or methods and that the bad guys couldn't hope to win if they didn't provide some benefits to those who allied with them.

*That is, certain events are taking place in the world, but unless the PCs choose to get involved, based on various hints and rumours they have heard, they will unfold off-screen and just make for more rumours they hear.

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Dennis
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Originally posted by entreri3478

quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


Iyraclea wouldn't have died. She just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, with the wrong kind of people.


Bad luck has to find some characters


In the first place, Lady Luck was not her patron deity. Things could have been different....and better for her. Pity on her that she's a subject of a deity who's nearly as whimsical as Lolth.

It's one of the reasons I don't normally like priests. They are far too dependent on their patrons. Without their patron gods, they're nothing...

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Thauranil
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Thats not necessarily true. I mean look at Erevis , he would still be a highly skilled thief and assassin even if Mask had not chosen him. Though Admittedly he wouldn't have ascended to godhood or saved the world.
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