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If the French part bothers you that much then just don't read it.

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Es gibt hier nur leider keine ignorieren Funktion damit Posts von Benutzern ausgeblendet werden, also muss ich es lesen wenn ich einen Thread lese ;)
Unfortunatly there is no ignore function here so I'll have to read it when I read a thread...

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Actually this would be great, years and years of German in school and the teacher almost cried. Now I can practise and read about the Realms all at once. I wont try to answer you though, as you would roll around laughing hysterically.

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Originally posted by Zanan

There is no real news in the sourcebooks about any sort of relation between Lolth and Shar. There was some sort of short-lived cult devoted to both goddesses, not supported by either though.

Drow may be inclined to follow a goddess of darkness or use the Shadow Weave (who actually dissappeared with 4E along with the other Weave). Neither means that Lolth or Shar deal with one another, or, in the latter case, the drow with Shar. After all, especially recently, Shar has been portrayed as a deity of loss and nihilism, something that does not go along well with a long lived, power-hungry race.

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Originally posted by Zanan

There is no real news in the sourcebooks about any sort of relation between Lolth and Shar. There was some sort of short-lived cult devoted to both goddesses, not supported by either though.

Drow may be inclined to follow a goddess of darkness or use the Shadow Weave (who actually dissappeared with 4E along with the other Weave). Neither means that Lolth or Shar deal with one another, or, in the latter case, the drow with Shar. After all, especially recently, Shar has been portrayed as a deity of loss and nihilism, something that does not go along well with a long lived, power-hungry race.

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I would only say that the Drow would be a perfect fit with the "loss" aspect...as well as Shar being the Goddess of the Underdark.

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What "loss" aspect? They "lost" a tiny bit 13k years ago, they don't fret about it these days.

BTW, if people look for that cult, don't look much farther than Demihuman Deities, Lolth's entry.

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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I think "Ibrandul" is a better deity for the drow than Shar. I don't see that her loss aspect would appeal to the drow, but a god of where they live could have some small appeal. Not a lot, but some -- particularly to those who have issues with Lolth, like males or commoners.

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Indeed. And in the post reaffirmation of Lolth, it seems even more unlikely that a deity like Shar would enjoy much purchase among the general drow community. Even if Shar wished it, I doubt she'd find it all that easy to nurture. Not that you wouldn't find small pockets of secretive Shar worship here and there throughout the Underdark, and away from the worshippers of the core drow gods.

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Drow in the Realms have embraced offshoots of the major faiths, usually following a charismatic mortal leader who claims to be something more. The only such cult known to be still active, albeit in a debased form, is the She-Spider Cult, a Thayan-based sect that tried to link worship of Shar with devotion to Lolth. Opposed in the end by both goddesses, the Cult enjoyed initial success as a secret society operating slaving and drugrunning operations in Mulhorand, Unther, and southern Thay. They eventually degenerated into a criminal gang without divine support. The Cult still stages fake rituals to thrill worshipers and to slay foes under the guise of sacrifices.

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Originally posted by Zanan

Ibrandul would be a fine choice indeed, but he was essentially wiped off the FR deity-scape with the Time of Troubles and the further it went on, the more nihilist Shar became. Hence my No-no above.

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Originally posted by Jorkens

I think its better that someone post that way than not being able to post at all because of language ability. The translation tool might not be perfect, but its better than nothing. If the French part bothers you that much then just don't read it.

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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis

*Jaw drops* Oh, you naughty boys! Spying on goddesses... Shameful. I take it you've watched Eilistraee and Sharess having a bonfire dance, too, eh? ;)

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Originally posted by Zanan

Ibrandul would be a fine choice indeed, but he was essentially wiped off the FR deity-scape with the Time of Troubles and the further it went on, the more nihilist Shar became. Hence my No-no above.

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Ahhhhh.... but wasn't it Shar who killed him? And then assumed his portfolio and followers?

So Shar could, conceivably, be working through her newly-acquired Ibrandul aspect with Lolth and the drow (although I think Lolth would know who she was really dealing with, which could be interesting if she could hide her knowledge from Shar/Ibrandul somehow).

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