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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author

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Posted - 27 Nov 2011 :  23:13:13  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi, Lady Shadowflame.

quote:
Originally posted by Lady Shadowflame
In one Liriel book, you use the drow term parzdiamo. In Gorlist's story, you use parzdiametkis. Is one the plural of the other? A ruder version, given Liriel used her version in front of the Promenade ladies and Gorlist picked up his version near a brothel/tavern?


Yes, it's a much ruder version.

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Also regarding Gorlist's story, given his clear love for his mother (until she sold him) and a few other things, would you say he'd be one of those drow who could have wound up much better people, if they'd not been put in the 'be evil or die' circumstances that harden them until they become as nasty as the rest? Signs of what could have been, in a less evil society?


Gorlist is definitely a product of his environment. Even later, in Daughter of the Drow, a certain heinous action does not occur to him until Nisstyre suggests the possibility. I'm not sure how "good" a person he'd be under any circumstances, but in a more wholesome environment he would act quite differently. I see Gorlist as the sort of person who would accept and conform to his environment without much thought.

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Have you any thoughts on what Wyn Ashgrove would have done after his part in Elfsong? He never seems to be heard from after that, and I'm really curious about him, and any extra details you might have envisioned regarding him - the kind of family he might have had, or anything else of that nature. I really liked him, with the exception of one single moment, as mentioned below this.


I have some idea about Wyn, but I'm afraid I can't get into details. After something is published, I can discuss it. Before, not really. Even if there is no specific project in the works--and to the best of my knowledge there isn't anything being written about Wyn--speculating on what might happen offstage tends to muddy the waters. Some writers do it, sure, but I don't think it's a good idea.

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Danilo and Wyn discuss the use of charm spells, to prepare for facing the dragon. Danilo asks if Wyn's ever used them on anything larger than a tavern wench, and Wyn refers to the susceptibility of North-women to the spell. I was at first amused... and then queasy thereafter at the implications. Was Wyn lying for the sake of the joke? Or has there just been a case of different perspectives here? Because I find the notion of using charm spells to snare a partner uncharacteristically unethical for the general portrayal of those two gentlemen... (Only a few steps below deserving the tag 'magic roofies', in fact...) I hope this isn't offensive to you. But it did trouble me quite a bit.



Danilo did NOT ask Wyn if he'd ever used a charm spell on anything larger than a tavern wench. He asked him if he'd ever tried to CHARM anything larger than a tavern wench. This is what you call a double entendre--a joke, usually a bawdy one, dependant upon a word that has two meanings. "Charm" has several.

When a person acts in a pleasant, engaging fashion, he is often said to be charming. This is what Dan referred to when he mentioned "charming a tavern wench." He did NOT mean "to cast a spell that influences a sentient being's mind and will." When Wyn mentioned that the Northwomen were susceptible, he was NOT implying that they were succeptible to a charm spell, but to his personal charm. That's why Danilo was surprised that Wyn caught the joke and responded in kind, since elves tend to be a tad literal. If Wyn was unaware of the double entendre, he would have gravely replied, "No, I have not cast such a spell on any being larger than a tavern wench." If he really, REALLY missed the play on words, he might have added, "In all candor, Lord Thann, the suggestion that I might employ this form of persuasion on any female is highly offensive." But he was able to see the semantic two-step that moved from "casting a spell" to "being charming" and back again.

Consider for a moment yet another meaning of "charm:" a small decorative object hung from a "charm bracelet." Suppose one of Danilo's Merry Band of Second Edition Bards was wearing such a bracelet. Dan might have tugged at one of the charms and said, "We'll need a bigger charm than this to hold the dragon." He would not be implying that they should find a much larger version of the little gemstone-and-metal object so that they could hurl it at the dragon in hope of stunning him. He would simply be making a play on words to lighten the mood, or at the very least, to amuse himself. That's what Danilo does.

Repeat: At NO TIME were either Danilo or Wyn referring to casting a charm spell on women to lure them into bed. That concept would be repugnant to either character.

Hope this puts your mind at ease concerning Wyn's character.
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Lady Shadowflame
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Posted - 28 Nov 2011 :  04:41:22  Show Profile Send Lady Shadowflame a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I guess I'm just elflike in my literal mind, then, because I missed the double entendre. (And if I had to pick up an elf trait, why could it not have been one of the cool ones?) That or just too much exposure to people playing less ethical bards, thus putting the idea firmly in my head...

Thanks for the correction. Wyn did seem to have this strangely huggable quality to his demeanour, and I'm glad to know it was just me missing a pun that put something at odds with that. He's just that sweet-seeming - and presents a nice counter to some of the other depictions of sun elves.

(That aside, I think it was just demonstrated precisely how Danilo's clever mouth may have got him into trouble now and then. Even those with good intentions can miss a joke, after all...)

Thank you also for the parzdiamo/parzdiametkis clarification - I think I can extrapolate the relevant levels of reference from that.

It is interesting, regarding Gorlist; that would definitely go a long way to demonstrate that drow society has its fair share of those who are not inherently malicious, but just responding to the societal pressures. The end result is still evil, but the beginning, and the alternate potential? Not nearly so much.

The only other thing I wondered about Gorlist possibly answers itself; one assumes that, since the tattoo is on his face, he'd have to carry a mirror around if there are no handy companions to helpfully tell him if it's changing colour? Admittedly, there are probably any number of drow who wouldn't be caught dead without a mirror in their accoutrements in any case...

Save a lizard... Ride a drow.
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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 28 Nov 2011 :  14:40:04  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lady Shadowflame
It is interesting, regarding Gorlist; that would definitely go a long way to demonstrate that drow society has its fair share of those who are not inherently malicious, but just responding to the societal pressures. The end result is still evil, but the beginning, and the alternate potential? Not nearly so much.


I had an interesting conversation with my son the philosophy major this weekend about the concept of "character," which translated to D&D would aproximate "allignment." He contends that most of the choices people make have more to do with situation than values.

We also discussed an article entitled "Culture of Shock" in the latest issue of Scientific American Mind (Maybe not what you'd expect from a fantasy writer with a music and history background, but neuroscience holds tremendous fascination for me...) that revisits the famous Milgram experiments. In short, Stanley Milgram explored the nature of conformity and the willingness of people to inflict pain on others if instructed to do so by someone in authority. This involved administering a series of shocks to a "test subject" (in actuality, a fellow researcher) in a purported study of the effect of shock on memory training. A stunningly high percentage of normal people were willing to press a buttons delivering severe, potentially lethal shocks. People are still sorting through the test results and trying to figure out what this indicates about human nature.

Taking this back to the drow, you have a society that's not only a highly structured matriarchy, but is also a virtual theocracy. Conformnity is not only an important cultural value in Menzoberranzan and other drow cities, it's a survival skill.

Everything we know about human nature suggests that most drow are not "inherently evil," but complex sentient beings who behave according to the situation in which they find themselves. There are always exceptions in every society, on both ends of the good/evil continuum, but people tend to reflect the attitudes and accept the practices of the societies to which they belong. Most people will do what's expected of them. Gorlist falls squarely into the "most people" catagory.

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The only other thing I wondered about Gorlist possibly answers itself; one assumes that, since the tattoo is on his face, he'd have to carry a mirror around if there are no handy companions to helpfully tell him if it's changing colour? Admittedly, there are probably any number of drow who wouldn't be caught dead without a mirror in their accoutrements in any case...



No drow fighter is ever without several knifes and daggers. The reflective surface of a blade won't give you the clear, detailed image you'd see in a mirror, but it's good enough. The tattoo is mostly symbolic, though--a reminder of a certain drow Truth. The likelihood that he'll ever need to use it to determine a dragon's true color is very, very slim.

Edited by - ElaineCunningham on 28 Nov 2011 14:45:36
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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 28 Nov 2011 :  14:42:56  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lady Shadowflame
That aside, I think it was just demonstrated precisely how Danilo's clever mouth may have got him into trouble now and then.




Indeed. Why do you suppose that Danilo carries a sword and learned to cast spells?
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Lady Shadowflame
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Posted - 29 Nov 2011 :  13:58:26  Show Profile Send Lady Shadowflame a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ElaineCunningham


No drow fighter is ever without several knifes and daggers. The reflective surface of a blade won't give you the clear, detailed image you'd see in a mirror, but it's good enough. The tattoo is mostly symbolic, though--a reminder of a certain drow Truth. The likelihood that he'll ever need to use it to determine a dragon's true color is very, very slim.


It's only a very close-range thing, then? For some reason I envisioned him able to creep up to near a dragon's lair, and be told by his tattoo's going shinier that the dragon was in fact in residence.

Plus, what with his being a Vhaeraunite, and their surface shenanigans... Well, FR seems to have a number of dragons that like to wander around in more innocuous forms. In their shoes I think I would like to know if anybody nearby is capable of growing fifty-plus feet and trying to eat me before I tried anything...

I think some of those dragons own taverns and inns scattered across Faerun. Not that I'm expecting to see a 'Gorlist: The Lost Years' story anytime soon in which Nisstyre sends him out on a Faerun-wide pub crawl to find dragons, of course...

Save a lizard... Ride a drow.

Edited by - Lady Shadowflame on 29 Nov 2011 14:12:51
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soulrunner
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Posted - 30 Nov 2011 :  07:40:44  Show Profile Send soulrunner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi first just wanted to say I've been a fan of your books since I first picked up Daughter of the Drow between Salvatore releases a few years back. After finishing the trilogy I went looking for further works and discovered a used copy of "The Magehound" in a used book store, I've since completed that trilogy as well. I'm happy to see there's a new title for me to hunt, which is good because Neverwinter 3 won't be out for another year or so. I've read a few posts and I see I'm not alone in my romantic desire to read more of Liriel's adventures in fact I'd pay hard cover prices for those books. However this long winded question isn't about Liriel it's about counselors and kings, any chance of a continuation of Tzigone and Matteo's story? Okay guess I can't resist, how about Liriel too? To my mind, Drizzt seems to be falling into darker and darker territory in the new edition, guess I'm kind of anxious to see at least one of my favorite characters climb into the light. Perhaps it's something to be found in fanfics.

In Death we Trust.

Edited by - soulrunner on 30 Nov 2011 07:44:28
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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 30 Nov 2011 :  17:46:23  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by soulrunner

Hi first just wanted to say I've been a fan of your books since I first picked up Daughter of the Drow between Salvatore releases a few years back. After finishing the trilogy I went looking for further works and discovered a used copy of "The Magehound" in a used book store, I've since completed that trilogy as well. I'm happy to see there's a new title for me to hunt, which is good because Neverwinter 3 won't be out for another year or so. I've read a few posts and I see I'm not alone in my romantic desire to read more of Liriel's adventures in fact I'd pay hard cover prices for those books. However this long winded question isn't about Liriel it's about counselors and kings, any chance of a continuation of Tzigone and Matteo's story? Okay guess I can't resist, how about Liriel too? To my mind, Drizzt seems to be falling into darker and darker territory in the new edition, guess I'm kind of anxious to see at least one of my favorite characters climb into the light. Perhaps it's something to be found in fanfics.



Hi, Soulrunner! Welcome to Candlekeep.

At present, it seems unlikely that Liriel's story will be continued and even more unlikely that we'll see Matteo and Tzigone again. The timeline has been jumped ahead nearly 100 years since the events depicted in these stories. Liriel would still be a young drow, but Matteo and Tzigone don't have a century-plus lifespan. Also, the land of Halruaa was all but destroyed by the Spellplague. We're talking GONE, as in dropped off the map, beachfront property in unexpected locations.

Last I heard, WotC is publishing only stories set primarily in "current time." Even if the editorial direction shifts to include other time periods, I'd be very surprised if they chose to revisit a land that they chose to destroy.

But who knows? Editorial directions change, line editors come and go, new editions of the rules come out every few years. It's hard to say what the future might hold.
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soulrunner
Acolyte

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Posted - 05 Dec 2011 :  14:46:25  Show Profile Send soulrunner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Oh well sad to see that, I didn't think Halruaa was set in the D&D universe. From the flow of the story it struck me as more of a stand alone world like Salvatore's alternate world from the Demon wars and Highwayman books. With no prior established lore to support the story a majority of the first book was spent creating the world and establishing the limits of that world almost like creating a new campaign setting maybe a new Ravenloft? The concept of the Unseelie fey alone from what I've seen is an alien concept to D&D which I've also always thought strange, but no D&D author I've read has ever truly delved into the intrigue of the Faerie races. As the Unsidhe are present as a major device in the Magehound series I just assumed it was different my mistake.
Still isn't it high time for a book series about the Seelie and Unseelie courts? I see a lot of drow and of course the cultural split between drow, and surface elf is interesting, however there is much fun still to be had on a slightly smaller scale don't you think?


In Death we Trust.

Edited by - soulrunner on 05 Dec 2011 14:53:46
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author

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Posted - 05 Dec 2011 :  15:24:46  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by soulrunner

Oh well sad to see that, I didn't think Halruaa was set in the D&D universe. From the flow of the story it struck me as more of a stand alone world like Salvatore's alternate world from the Demon wars and Highwayman books. With no prior established lore to support the story a majority of the first book was spent creating the world and establishing the limits of that world almost like creating a new campaign setting maybe a new Ravenloft? The concept of the Unseelie fey alone from what I've seen is an alien concept to D&D which I've also always thought strange, but no D&D author I've read has ever truly delved into the intrigue of the Faerie races. As the Unsidhe are present as a major device in the Magehound series I just assumed it was different my mistake.
Still isn't it high time for a book series about the Seelie and Unseelie courts? I see a lot of drow and of course the cultural split between drow, and surface elf is interesting, however there is much fun still to be had on a slightly smaller scale don't you think?





Now that the Feywild has entered the Realms setting, no doubt someone will be addressing this sooner or later.
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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 06 Dec 2011 :  17:02:33  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
If you'd like a signed and personalized copy of the Pathfinder Tales novel WINTER WITCH (perhaps for the Pathfinder fan on your holiday gift list?), switch to Bad Pun Mode and enter this Quick & Easy Contest. :)

The drawing will be at noon (EST) on Friday December 9.

http://www.elainecunningham.com/2011/12/06/a-quick-and-easy-contest/
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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 14 Dec 2011 :  21:28:35  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I just posted first of several excerpts from HONOR BOUND, the second Tales of Sevrin novel.

http://www.elainecunningham.com/2011/12/14/an-excerpt-from-honor-bound/

Spoiler alert: If you haven't read HONOR AMONG THIEVES yet, you don't want to read these excerpts. :)
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Ayrik
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Posted - 14 Dec 2011 :  21:38:53  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I won't be entering the aforementioned draw, Eaine, but your bad pun is quite amusing.

[/Ayrik]
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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 14 Dec 2011 :  21:48:36  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

I won't be entering the aforementioned draw, Eaine, but your bad pun is quite amusing.



Thanks!

Good thing you don't intend to enter--the drawing was last Friday. :)

Edited by - ElaineCunningham on 14 Dec 2011 21:49:03
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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 15 Dec 2011 :  10:45:54  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi, folks.

I'm taking a break from online forums and will be unsubscribing to this thread, so questions posted here will not reach me. I hope to return in February.

Sweet water, light laughter.

ec
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Thieran
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Posted - 16 Dec 2011 :  12:49:50  Show Profile Send Thieran a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Have a great break, and I hope to see you return in spring.

Cheers - Thieran
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althen artren
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Posted - 23 Jan 2012 :  19:21:44  Show Profile Send althen artren a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ok maam, I have a question.
I want to write an adventure where Kymil Nimesin and his
allies try and steal the Tree of Souls before it is planted
in Myth Drannor ala Rary the Traiter during the treaty day
to end the Greyhawk war. Could you provide some of the
elven clans that are still his allies, and some non-elven
groups that he still has contact with?
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Hawkins
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Posted - 01 Feb 2012 :  01:08:23  Show Profile  Visit Hawkins's Homepage Send Hawkins a Private Message  Reply with Quote
BTW, in case anyone missed it, Elaine released the second book in her e-original Thorn trilogy, Honor Bound, yesterday.
On Smashwords (in a variety of formats and DRM free)
On Barnes & Noble (in the .ePub format for the Nook)
On Amazon (in the Kindle format)

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He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 02 Feb 2012 :  13:41:28  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Hawkins

BTW, in case anyone missed it, Elaine released the second book in her e-original Thorn trilogy, Honor Bound, yesterday.
On Smashwords (in a variety of formats and DRM free)
On Barnes & Noble (in the .ePub format for the Nook)
On Amazon (in the Kindle format)



Thanks for posting, Hawkins.
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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 02 Feb 2012 :  13:43:57  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by althen artren

Ok maam, I have a question.
I want to write an adventure where Kymil Nimesin and his
allies try and steal the Tree of Souls before it is planted
in Myth Drannor ala Rary the Traiter during the treaty day
to end the Greyhawk war. Could you provide some of the
elven clans that are still his allies, and some non-elven
groups that he still has contact with?



Hi, alten.

My plans for Kymil Nimesin are quite different from those you've outlined above, so anything I'd have to say on this topic would not be much help to your campaign. Since it's YOUR campaign, you can create alliances and contacts that best suit the adventure's purpose and plot.

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Fellfire
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Welcome back, Elaine!! Can you tell us anything about The Serpent's Daughter? Information has been hard to come by and I'm desperate for some Realms done right.

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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 02 Feb 2012 :  17:23:17  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Fellfire

Welcome back, Elaine!! Can you tell us anything about The Serpent's Daughter? Information has been hard to come by and I'm desperate for some Realms done right.



Hi, Fellfire.


The Serpent's Daughter is not on the 2012 schedule because I havenít finished writing it. I had to set the manuscript aside, but I've resumed work and I'm pretty happy with the way things are shaping up.

Right now, I don't have any news about TSD's eventual fate. I'm simply concentrating on finishing it in a satisfying manner. The story as originally planned did not address the fate of Elaith Craulnober, and I think that was a huge mistake. People are going to want to know if Elaith survived the Spellplague, if heís still alive, and if so, what he's been up to for the last century. And quite frankly, any story about his daughter that does NOT answer those questions would not be very satisfying, whatever its other merits might be.

I hope TSD will find its way to readers, but until I finish the manuscript and turn it over to the folks at WotC, I canít speculate on a publication date. If they like it and are able to reschedule it, great. I'll post news when and if there is any, but I do NOT want people emailing WotC demanding one outcome or another.

It would mean a lot to me to get this project back on track, but whatever happens with TSD, I'm very interested in becoming a more active member of the FR community.
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Hawkins
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Posted - 02 Feb 2012 :  18:35:40  Show Profile  Visit Hawkins's Homepage Send Hawkins a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ElaineCunningham

[quote]Hi, Fellfire.

The Serpent's Daughter is not on the 2012 schedule because I havenít finished writing it. I had to set the manuscript aside, but I've resumed work and I'm pretty happy with the way things are shaping up.

Right now, I don't have any news about TSD's eventual fate. I'm simply concentrating on finishing it in a satisfying manner. The story as originally planned did not address the fate of Elaith Craulnober, and I think that was a huge mistake. People are going to want to know if Elaith survived the Spellplague, if heís still alive, and if so, what he's been up to for the last century. And quite frankly, any story about his daughter that does NOT answer those questions would not be very satisfying, whatever its other merits might be.

I hope TSD will find its way to readers, but until I finish the manuscript and turn it over to the folks at WotC, I canít speculate on a publication date. If they like it and are able to reschedule it, great. I'll post news when and if there is any, but I do NOT want people emailing WotC demanding one outcome or another.

It would mean a lot to me to get this project back on track, but whatever happens with TSD, I'm very interested in becoming a more active member of the FR community.
Thanks for the update, Elaine! Here's to hoping that we get The Serpent's Daughter in print!

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One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane

* My character sheets (PFRPG, 3.5, and AE versions; not viewable in Internet Explorer)
* Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Reference Document (PFRPG OGL Rules)
* The Hypertext d20 SRD (3.5 OGL Rules)
* 3.5 D&D Archives

My game design work:
* Heroes of the Jade Oath (PFRPG, conversion; Rite Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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TBeholder
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Posted - 02 Feb 2012 :  23:43:56  Show Profile Send TBeholder a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ElaineCunningham

Gorlist is definitely a product of his environment. Even later, in Daughter of the Drow, a certain heinous action does not occur to him until Nisstyre suggests the possibility. I'm not sure how "good" a person he'd be under any circumstances, but in a more wholesome environment he would act quite differently. I see Gorlist as the sort of person who would accept and conform to his environment without much thought.
That is, Gorlist was a talented lad who lacked any vision that's his own and thus became a habitual downstream swimmer?..
So, basically it's the same deal as with Elaith? He hangs out with nobles - runs with "nobless oblige" and haughtiness, hangs out with marauders - ...

People never wonder How the world goes round -Helloween
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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by TBeholder

quote:
Originally posted by ElaineCunningham

Gorlist is definitely a product of his environment. Even later, in Daughter of the Drow, a certain heinous action does not occur to him until Nisstyre suggests the possibility. I'm not sure how "good" a person he'd be under any circumstances, but in a more wholesome environment he would act quite differently. I see Gorlist as the sort of person who would accept and conform to his environment without much thought.
That is, Gorlist was a talented lad who lacked any vision that's his own and thus became a habitual downstream swimmer?..
So, basically it's the same deal as with Elaith? He hangs out with nobles - runs with "nobless oblige" and haughtiness, hangs out with marauders - ...



I think Elaith is less a product of his environment, and more someone who defines himself by the expectations of others. He was in the palace guard, and it was a role he took very seriously. And then the moonblade going dormant made him feel he'd not fulfilled that role adequately -- so he looked for another role to fill. He's certainly grown into being the Serpent, and is comfortable in the role -- but it's a role that was, once more, chosen by Elaith molding himself to the expectations of others.

From the way Elaine describes Gorlist, I see him as more of a "go with the flow" kind of person. He seems to go with the general consensus of others -- not as much choosing a role, as Elaith did, but simply letting life carry him along. Elaith strives to fulfill his chosen role, and won't leave that role without life-changing reasons. Gorlist just swims with the current, whichever way it's going.

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The Serpent's Daughter is not on the 2012 schedule because I havenít finished writing it. I had to set the manuscript aside, but I've resumed work and I'm pretty happy with the way things are shaping up.
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It would mean a lot to me to get this project back on track, but whatever happens with TSD, I'm very interested in becoming a more active member of the FR community.

Hey, Mrs. Cunningham!

It's very good to see you back! It's a shame that TSD is belated, I truly hope that everything goes well and you can publish it after the changes.

Your return, and your interest in coming back to the FR seems to happen in a good moment, with prospects of a new edition coming up. Have you any thoughts, impressions or expectations you can share with us about it? It seems that Ed Greenwood is quite optimistic about this 5th edition!

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