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Barastir
Master of Realmslore

Brazil
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Posted - 20 Jul 2010 :  16:57:43  Show Profile  Click to see Barastir's MSN Messenger address Send Barastir a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
Odd story there. I saw the cover art before I was finished with the writing/revision process, so I wrote Maura into the story to explain why there was a human woman on the elven island.

Dunno why, I never associated the girl from the picture with Maura... The description is right there in the book, but someway along my reading I started thinking of her in a very diferent picture. Probably I got confused, for Evermeet has a good lot of characters, and sometimes I just got lost... And no, I'm not saying that Evermeet is the Realmsian 'Isle of Lost'.

I also didn't remember the story of the human daughter of Laeral in the Island of Elves being told only in this - great - book... But I've read it eons ago, that's why my memories are all mixed up. Or most probably, it's just because I'm getting too old!

Changing the subject, and getting back to the art issue: there was a link in your page that you called, some years ago, an "Elaith page", with the Serpent's biography, bibliography, art, and some flash fiction. What happened to it, and why was it removed? Is there any problem with NDAs or Elaith's rights of use?

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Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."

The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph"
(by Ed Greenwood)

Edited by - Barastir on 20 Jul 2010 20:27:54
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Zireael
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Poland
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Posted - 21 Jul 2010 :  11:03:58  Show Profile  Visit Zireael's Homepage Send Zireael a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Barastir
Changing the subject, and getting back to the art issue: there was a link in your page that you called, some years ago, an "Elaith page", with the Serpent's biography, bibliography, art, and some flash fiction. What happened to it, and why was it removed? Is there any problem with NDAs or Elaith's rights of use?



Good question.
And oh, maybe you could put Liriel's official stats on your website too? The page with them on Wizards official site has disappeared since...

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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 21 Jul 2010 :  12:00:53  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Zireael

quote:
Originally posted by Barastir
Changing the subject, and getting back to the art issue: there was a link in your page that you called, some years ago, an "Elaith page", with the Serpent's biography, bibliography, art, and some flash fiction. What happened to it, and why was it removed? Is there any problem with NDAs or Elaith's rights of use?



Good question.
And oh, maybe you could put Liriel's official stats on your website too? The page with them on Wizards official site has disappeared since...


There was no particular reason for the removal of Elaith's page, other than a general house-cleaning and streamlining of my website. The site, btw, is long overdue for an overhaul. I plan to tackle that in September, after the first draft of Serpent's Daughter is turned in.

To the best of my knowledge, Liriel was never assigned official stats. Several years back, a bunch of people on the old WotC Novels forum hashed out stats for Liriel, and for a while the result was posted on the WotC website. But I can see why the page was removed. The Starlight & Shadows trilogy is out of print, there are no plans to continue Liriel's story. Keeping her fan-generated stats online is a bit like posting fan art of Olive Ruskettle.

Who?

Yeah, my point precisely.
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gomez
Learned Scribe

Netherlands
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Posted - 21 Jul 2010 :  12:05:45  Show Profile  Visit gomez's Homepage Send gomez a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hmm. No reprint planned? 'Cause I only have book 1.
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Kajehase
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Posted - 21 Jul 2010 :  12:15:25  Show Profile Send Kajehase a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Olive was disturbingly attractive for a halfling (thinking about the Wyvern's Spur cover).

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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 21 Jul 2010 :  12:25:23  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by gomez

Hmm. No reprint planned? 'Cause I only have book 1.



I haven't heard of any concrete plans for these or any other novels. My editor made a vague mention of reprint possibility, but didn't say what or when. After The Serpent's Daughter is finished and the schedule is nailed down, I'll probably hear more specifics and I'll share them when I can.
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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 21 Jul 2010 :  12:28:00  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kajehase

Olive was disturbingly attractive for a halfling (thinking about the Wyvern's Spur cover).


Indeed she was. And this was BEFORE halflings got the 3E, slim-and-sexy makeover.
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Kajehase
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Posted - 21 Jul 2010 :  16:58:54  Show Profile Send Kajehase a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Of course, for a female character drawn by Clyde Caldwell she's uncommonly well covered up.

There is a rumour going around that I have found god. I think is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore

Brazil
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Posted - 21 Jul 2010 :  17:30:01  Show Profile  Click to see Barastir's MSN Messenger address Send Barastir a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kajehase

Of course, for a female character drawn by Clyde Caldwell she's uncommonly well covered up.


True enough, Kajehase. Althought I like the work of some of those artists, some years ago all women in fantasy should wear "boots of the north" or live in tropical settings...

I specially remember the art in the 2e Dark Sun, such a harsh world, water so rare a blessing, and everybody beautiful and muscular...

Even today, sometimes I think it's hard to find a good picture for a female character. One that is not overly sensual and/or languid, or that doesn't look "too modern". They were scantly dressed in the past, but now they wear leathers.

Well, at least of this I can't complain from the many pictures of Arilyn I've seen through the years... Ms. Moonblade was always well dressed - at least for her trade!

"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."

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(by Ed Greenwood)
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 22 Jul 2010 :  00:23:08  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kajehase

Of course, for a female character drawn by Clyde Caldwell she's uncommonly well covered up.





There's even a joke about Caldwell's art in the book!

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Barastir
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Posted - 22 Jul 2010 :  17:07:18  Show Profile  Click to see Barastir's MSN Messenger address Send Barastir a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
[There was no particular reason for the removal of Elaith's page, other than a general house-cleaning and streamlining of my website. The site, btw, is long overdue for an overhaul. I plan to tackle that in September, after the first draft of Serpent's Daughter is turned in.


Mrs. Cunningham, do you plan to bring Elaith's page back to your website, in this renewal plans? I'd like very much to see this material...

"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."

The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph"
(by Ed Greenwood)
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The Red Walker
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Posted - 22 Jul 2010 :  18:51:39  Show Profile  Send The Red Walker a Yahoo! Message Send The Red Walker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Kajehase

Of course, for a female character drawn by Clyde Caldwell she's uncommonly well covered up.





There's even a joke about Caldwell's art in the book!



Please share

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Kajehase
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Posted - 22 Jul 2010 :  19:55:24  Show Profile Send Kajehase a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Giogi's uncle, I think it is, has a statuette of what I belive is formally termed "a nubile young lady in a becoming state of dress" by an artist named Clydwell, which is deemed to be quite scandalous by Giogi's dear auntie.

There is a rumour going around that I have found god. I think is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 23 Jul 2010 :  00:20:33  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
From page 113 of The Wyvern's Spur, by Kate Novak and Jeff Grubb:

quote:
Giogi unwound the velvet cloth carefully, revealing a gleaming black statue of a beautiful woman. Her lithe and scantily clad formed was slightly arched, and her shapely arms were swept up over her head in a circle. Her face was round and pretty. Her lips were parted slightly, and her eyes were closed, like a woman waiting to be be surprised. The rest of her physical features Uncle Drone had once described as ample, though Aunt Dorath had argued they were scandalous.


Later on the same page it names the statue as being of Selūne, and done by Cledwyll, who gave it as a gift to Paton Wyvernspur, the family founder. Paton lived around 926 to 971, ish.

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Zireael
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Poland
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Posted - 23 Jul 2010 :  13:10:05  Show Profile  Visit Zireael's Homepage Send Zireael a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Barastir

quote:
Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
[There was no particular reason for the removal of Elaith's page, other than a general house-cleaning and streamlining of my website. The site, btw, is long overdue for an overhaul. I plan to tackle that in September, after the first draft of Serpent's Daughter is turned in.


Mrs. Cunningham, do you plan to bring Elaith's page back to your website, in this renewal plans? I'd like very much to see this material...



Me too!

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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 23 Jul 2010 :  15:11:25  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I checked my website directory for the character pages and found that all had been deleted. I don't think I retained copies anywhere else. But one of the tasks on my After The Deadline Dust Settles List is to do a complete overhaul of my website. If there's an interest in character backgrounds, I could put something together. I plan to do a page for The Serpent's Daughter, but in all candor, I probably won't get to this until shortly before the book comes out.
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Barastir
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Posted - 23 Jul 2010 :  20:34:35  Show Profile  Click to see Barastir's MSN Messenger address Send Barastir a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ElaineCunningham

I checked my website directory for the character pages and found that all had been deleted. I don't think I retained copies anywhere else.

It's a shame, I'd love to see it... Specially, to see some art different from that Elaith "the Wolverine" Craulnober of FRCS 3e and Dragon #335...
And thank you very much for you spending some time to check it out, even as busy as you are nowadays!
quote:

I plan to do a page for The Serpent's Daughter, but in all candor, I probably won't get to this until shortly before the book comes out.


We surely understand, Mrs. Cunningham. No worries at all!

"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."

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The Red Walker
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Posted - 23 Jul 2010 :  20:40:14  Show Profile  Send The Red Walker a Yahoo! Message Send The Red Walker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Is Winter Witch out and available yet? I dont know why but that title just popped into my head and I cant recall!

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vallon
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Posted - 24 Jul 2010 :  02:28:08  Show Profile Send vallon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
On the subject of cover art...I greatly admire Todd Lockwood's Liriel and Danilo(indeed, his Liriel has been my desktop art for quite some time), and I'd love to see what he'd do with "The Serpent's Daughter"...
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Ashe Ravenheart
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quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker

Is Winter Witch out and available yet? I dont know why but that title just popped into my head and I cant recall!

It's schedule for release this October.

I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.

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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 24 Jul 2010 :  03:28:37  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker

Is Winter Witch out and available yet? I dont know why but that title just popped into my head and I cant recall!



No. It'll be available for pre-order in October and ship in November.
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Posted - 24 Jul 2010 :  04:19:32  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ElaineCunningham

I checked my website directory for the character pages and found that all had been deleted. I don't think I retained copies anywhere else. But one of the tasks on my After The Deadline Dust Settles List is to do a complete overhaul of my website. If there's an interest in character backgrounds, I could put something together. I plan to do a page for The Serpent's Daughter, but in all candor, I probably won't get to this until shortly before the book comes out.



I have a doc on my hard drive that's a background of Elaith, complete with bibliography. I believe it came from your site. I'd be happy to email it to you.

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by ElaineCunningham

I checked my website directory for the character pages and found that all had been deleted. I don't think I retained copies anywhere else. But one of the tasks on my After The Deadline Dust Settles List is to do a complete overhaul of my website. If there's an interest in character backgrounds, I could put something together. I plan to do a page for The Serpent's Daughter, but in all candor, I probably won't get to this until shortly before the book comes out.



I have a doc on my hard drive that's a background of Elaith, complete with bibliography. I believe it came from your site. I'd be happy to email it to you.

And it's still available online, for any scribes keen on obtaining the lost info, via the Internet's Wayback Machine as I recall.

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Zireael
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Poland
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Posted - 24 Jul 2010 :  09:20:33  Show Profile  Visit Zireael's Homepage Send Zireael a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by vallon

On the subject of cover art...I greatly admire Todd Lockwood's Liriel and Danilo(indeed, his Liriel has been my desktop art for quite some time), and I'd love to see what he'd do with "The Serpent's Daughter"...



Seconded.
@ above: the Wayback Machine is a good thing, but doesn't solve everything.... Which timeframe should I look for?

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Barastir
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Brazil
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Posted - 25 Jul 2010 :  04:26:22  Show Profile  Click to see Barastir's MSN Messenger address Send Barastir a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I have a doc on my hard drive that's a background of Elaith, complete with bibliography. I believe it came from your site. I'd be happy to email it to you.


Rupert, do you think it's from the Elaith page? Mrs. Cunningham, could I also ask for this copy? And you all, gals and guys, I don't have a clue of what is this "Wayback Machine"... Dunno if I said it here before, but I'm not much of a computer guy...

"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."

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(by Ed Greenwood)
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