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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 03 Aug 2011 :  13:15:04  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Saer Cormaeril

Lol, I'm certain.

Maybe I should have said from the outset that I personally feel that the hypersexualized society, or a society whose norms diminish or victimize, make less of or disparage women is highly offensive to me. As an anecdote, I would also like to add that I am a northern woodland american indian, and am myself a member of a society which maintains a strong matriarchy. The 'american' part of that weird anthropologically adequate label I get to apply to myself of course means I fully experienced the prevailing society, while at once being taught a very different body of norms. I studied womens issues as a undergraduate as well, though I am by no means an expert.

But I am a Realms fan.

From the Venus of Willendorf (certainly long before) to Storm Silverhand...

So do you think that big booby girls on fantasy fiction covers are just a tired trope? A sorta covert yet pervasive form of misogyny? Indicative of the Forgotten Realms setting, by design or by extension of the what, 30 years of collaborative development?

I also wonder if physical attractiveness is another extension of fantasy, and if women also want, when reading adventure stories like Liriels and Arilyns, to think how cool it would be to be special, and pretty, and have amazing clothes, and two guys that are both totally hot sooo into them they might just fight at any moment... Kinda like how my fourteen year old self thought it would be so cool to be a bad-ass with a sword and be able to kick the asses of 'bad-guys'. (Ok, I still that would be cool.)

Personally, I think the Faerun is kinda sexist, and do you have any plans to touch of feminist themes in your upcoming Forgotten Realms work?

Sorry if I'm totally off base in thinking that your take on fantasy fictin boob art had a feminist theme.



No, I don't equate small boobs with feminism. I equate small boobs with elves and fairies.

I'm not sure "sexist" is the right term for Faerun. If you're defining sexism as gender discrimination, I'd have to disagree. In most countries of Faerun, women and men are on equal footing. Women are rulers, warriors, clergy, blacksmiths--whatever.

If you view "sexism" as preoccupation with sex, then you might have a point. The creator endowed his world with a certain cheerfully salacious tone. There's a fair amount of nudity, and no religious or social code insisting that sex is a Bad Thing. But the hijinks are equal-opportunity, and there's no stigma against sexually active women. Feminists are not, as a rule, in favor of NO sex, so this state of affairs does not violate any code of feminism I'm familiar with.

Is the busty cover girl a tired fantasy trope? Sure. Just like the rear-view portraits of urban fantasy heroines with leather pants and a tramp stamp, or the male torsos on covers of "spicy" romance novels, or the headless females in period clothing on a certain type of historical novels, or the bodice-ripper cover on romance novels. Fortunately, cover art tends to go in cycles, so today's trend is likely to become tomorrow's tired trope.

For good or ill, that's unlikely to be true of fantasy boobage.

Are these portrayals misogynistic? In all candor, I don't have a strongly held opinion on this matter; at least, not to the extent that I believe all revealing costumes and busty females to be omg ebil! I'm inclined to view art one piece at a time. Some fantasy art does strike me as sexualizing women to the point of pornography, but I've also seen some pieces in which the females are skimpily clad that don't seem to be ABOUT nudity. It's very subjective. In general, I don't like skimpy, impractical armor, but there aren't many other items on my list of Don't Like.

Are attractive female characters a wish-fulfillment fantasy for females readers? A look at women's fiction, particularly the romance genre, would suggest that it is.

But you hit the key point when you mentioned Liriel's and Arilyn's "adventures." The plot of my FR novels is never about who "gets" the girl. There might be a romance, but it's never the central focus of the story. "Being pretty" is never the defining characteristic of any character I write. Liriel and Arilyn are elves, therefore they're beautiful. But Bronwyn and Tzigone, both human women, are of pleasant but average appearance.

I have very little patience with the sort of fiction you describe--a mall rat teen fantasy involving lots of clothes and hot guys fighting over her. It's a passive fantasy for passive people. I relate to women who pick up a sword.
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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 05 Aug 2011 :  14:47:46  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Busy day ahead, so when it came to today's Free Fiction Friday, I punted. There's a link to "The Illusionist," a short story written for Paizo's Pathfinder setting and originally published in The Wayfinder, a fanzine, and shortly thereafter posted on the Paizo website as part of the free Web Fiction posted each Wednesday.

The story stands alone, and no knowledge of the setting is required.

http://www.elainecunningham.com/

Those who follow this link after today (Friday, August 5) will likely see a more recent post, since my website home page is a frequently updated WordPress blog. If you'd like to go directly to the tale on the Paizo website, here's a link:

http://paizo.com/pathfinder/tales/serial/theIllusionist
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 05 Aug 2011 :  15:58:33  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I enjoyed that story when it first appeared on the Paizo site.

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Barastir
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Posted - 05 Aug 2011 :  17:47:17  Show Profile  Click to see Barastir's MSN Messenger address Send Barastir a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So have I. I also enjoyed the short fiction "A Connecticut Gamer in King Arthur's Court". Now I need some time to read "Ravens"...

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quote:
Originally posted by ElaineCunningham

Busy day ahead, so when it came to today's Free Fiction Friday, I punted. There's a link to "The Illusionist," a short story written for Paizo's Pathfinder setting and originally published in The Wayfinder, a fanzine, and shortly thereafter posted on the Paizo website as part of the free Web Fiction posted each Wednesday.

The story stands alone, and no knowledge of the setting is required.

http://www.elainecunningham.com/

Those who follow this link after today (Friday, August 5) will likely see a more recent post, since my website home page is a frequently updated WordPress blog. If you'd like to go directly to the tale on the Paizo website, here's a link:

http://paizo.com/pathfinder/tales/serial/theIllusionist

Hmmm. I must've missed the Paizo tale during its first run-thru on their site. But I'm glad I've caught it now.

Elaine, you're easily making Friday my favourite day of the week!

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Kajehase
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Posted - 06 Aug 2011 :  05:53:17  Show Profile Send Kajehase a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Seems putting up "The Illusionist" was quite timely. Wayfinder #4, where it first appeared, was awarded the 2011 Judges' Award at the Ennies. Congratulations Elaine.

Edit: Inserted missing comma.

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Edited by - Kajehase on 06 Aug 2011 13:25:28
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author

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Posted - 06 Aug 2011 :  11:53:37  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kajehase

Seems putting up "The Illusionist" was quite timely. Wayfinder #4, where it first appeared was awarded the 2011 Judges' Award at the Ennies.



That's great news! The Wayfinder team does a terrific job, and I'm delighted to see them recognized for their creativity and hard work.

Edited by - ElaineCunningham on 07 Aug 2011 00:03:10
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Fellfire
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Posted - 07 Aug 2011 :  03:02:56  Show Profile Send Fellfire a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ElaineCunningham

I posted a YouTube link on my facebook page to the High Kings performing the traditional Irish tune "The Wild Rover." It's one of several tunes I can never hear without battling the compulsion to compose bawdy filk versions from a dwarf woman's point of view. Last night a couple of verses broke free. This morning I woke up with several more, fully formed. Here they are, because why should I suffer alone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP4qSiJX3kQ


THE ELF LOVER

I'm a dwarf from Clan Disney (the lads from Snow White),
And I keep very busy the whole blessed night.
Then I got to thinking it might be sublime
To try seven inches, but all at one time.

CHORUS: But it's no, nay, never. No nay never no more
Will I take an elf lover. No, never no more.

So I left clan and tunnels for starlight and trees
And I picked up an elf with the greatest of ease.
Oh, gold were his tresses and blue were his eyes
And vast was his lust for a woman of size.

REPEAT CHORUS

They say elves are frisky. They say elves are great,
But I cannot be certain the durned elf was straight.
He read odes and sonnets my beauty to praise,
But no lips did he plunder, no skirts did he raise.

REPEAT CHORUS

He plied me with flowers and gemstones and song,
'Til I shrieked in frustration, "What's taking so long?"
"I know you're immortal, but this just won't do.
"Carry on--I'll be back in an hour or two."

REPEAT CHORUS

So he practiced his sonnets in front of the glass
And he primped and he preened like a pretty blond ass.
I went back to the clanhold some dwarf lads to find,
For I'll get there much faster one inch at a time.

REPEAT CHORUS



Absolutely priceless. Ah-hahaahahaaa

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"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises

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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 12 Aug 2011 :  12:46:30  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm still in a writing blitz, so today's Free Fiction Friday offering is another "reprint."

In "Trophy Wives," the demon Lilith is alive and well and working as a divorce attorney in LA. It is, as you might well imagine, a quirky little tale.

http://www.elainecunningham.com/
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althen artren
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Posted - 12 Aug 2011 :  21:57:11  Show Profile Send althen artren a Private Message  Reply with Quote
A demon that's an attorney? That doesn't
take a true stretch of the imagination. Aclu
is filled with them. :)
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author

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Posted - 15 Aug 2011 :  12:50:14  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by althen artren

A demon that's an attorney? That doesn't
take a true stretch of the imagination. Aclu
is filled with them. :)



Fortunately, Lilith's profession is not the punchline. The title, "Trophy Wives," hints toward her agenda.
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author

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Posted - 26 Aug 2011 :  15:24:44  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
There are two more stories on my website. Today's Free Fiction Friday is revised version of "Hidden Blades," an Arthurian tale I wrote a dozen years back. Last Friday's story was "Dead Men Tell No Tales," a ghost story set in early 18th century Newport, Rhode Island. This is one of my favorite stories, and imo one of my strongest.

I hope you enjoy them both.
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bladeinAmn
Learned Scribe

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Posted - 28 Aug 2011 :  05:37:55  Show Profile  Visit bladeinAmn's Homepage Send bladeinAmn a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Re: Dead Men Tell No Tales

Upon your note, I read this last night w/note that you reckon it one of your strongest, and you weren't kidding. Very fulfilling read. SPOILER!: Well, very fulfilling other than the fact that the ending is very scary for the main character! Ha!

Re: Hidden Blades

I read it earlier this night, and while it's completely different from "Dead Men Tell No Tales," it's an equally strong short story. SPOILER!: Only here the ending was very fulfilling b/c the protagonist is easy to hate! LOL!

I took as much care to read both of them as I do the care I put in reading novels, and regardless if the reader is primarily a fan of Earth based stories or fantasy based stories, both of them are real satisfying. Like both take place on Earth, yet both of them gave me plenty of ideas for the goings-on of my Realms campaign, if my players ever venture into the lands where I put the inspiration I got from the stories here.

So excellent stuff, as usual! And the stuff you put between the stories on your site, too!

Edited by - bladeinAmn on 28 Aug 2011 05:38:48
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Thieran
Learned Scribe

Germany
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Posted - 28 Aug 2011 :  11:43:34  Show Profile Send Thieran a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Two very good tales, thank you very much.
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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 30 Aug 2011 :  15:46:18  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the kind words, gentlemen. BladeinAmn, I would agree that this Gwenhwyfar (variously spelled "Guinevere" and so on) is not the sweet, perfect Mary Sue one often encounters in Arthurian fiction. This is a very human Gwenhwyfar. She uses her beauty as a tool and a weapon; she is manipulative and self-absorbed. She might be stunned when she realizes that she's never thougth about Lancelot's life and history--that he was a PERSON and not just the object of her desire--but she didn't let this insight change her course of action in the slightest.
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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 02 Sep 2011 :  16:59:15  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, it's Friday again. Today's story is "Juniper," a tale about the night elves of Tuscan folklore.

www.elainecunningham.com
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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 06 Sep 2011 :  12:58:54  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Today is the ebook release of CITY OF SPLENDORS, a pre-Spellplague Waterdeep novel co-written with Ed Greenwood. A short history of the writing process is posted on my website, www.elainecunningham.com, for those who like to peek behind the curtain. And here are handy links for ordering the ebook for Kindle or Nook.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005899TDW/ref=s9_simh_gw_p351_d0_g351_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=081WZVJBCMFQ139C2CAX&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-city-of-splendors-ed-greenwood/1103434446?ean=9780786960224&itm=1&usri=city%2bof%2bsplendors

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Thieran
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Posted - 06 Sep 2011 :  14:30:09  Show Profile Send Thieran a Private Message  Reply with Quote

Just read Juniper and enjoyed it very much, thanks for sharing it!

I thought it might be useful to point out a a few small errors I noticed in passing:

- when the night elves are named "Old Ones" for the first time, the
text says "One Ones"

- a couple of times throughout the story, particularly in the case of linchetto/linchetti, the text mistakenly gives the Italian singular instead of the Italian plural (for example: "Child, no one knows where the linchetto hide from the sunís light" or "The orcuili was bending over the babe")

- near the end of the story, the text reads "...the girl who would something be strega after her", though it should probably read "some day" instead of "something", I guess

[A really tiny "error": the final "i" of malandani is not in italics like the rest of the word]
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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 06 Sep 2011 :  15:42:13  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Thieran


Just read Juniper and enjoyed it very much, thanks for sharing it!

I thought it might be useful to point out a a few small errors I noticed in passing:

- when the night elves are named "Old Ones" for the first time, the
text says "One Ones"

- a couple of times throughout the story, particularly in the case of linchetto/linchetti, the text mistakenly gives the Italian singular instead of the Italian plural (for example: "Child, no one knows where the linchetto hide from the sunís light" or "The orcuili was bending over the babe")

- near the end of the story, the text reads "...the girl who would something be strega after her", though it should probably read "some day" instead of "something", I guess

[A really tiny "error": the final "i" of malandani is not in italics like the rest of the word]



Thanks for the feedback. I posted the last version I had in my files, which apparently was not the edited version that made it into press.
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Thieran
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Posted - 06 Sep 2011 :  16:26:36  Show Profile Send Thieran a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Pleasure. Only formal trivialities. I really liked the story, particularly its Tuscan background!
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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 08 Sep 2011 :  18:17:41  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Since this is Thursday, today's Sevrin lore post is in the Science & Magic catagory. It takes a look at one of the darker sides of Sevrin's brand of alchemy. For those of you who've read HONOR AMONG THIEVES (a bargain at $.99, available in a variety of e-formats....), this article might nudge your thoughts in the "Aha!" direction.
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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 09 Sep 2011 :  15:16:30  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It's that time of the week again. Today's story is "The Nature of the Beast." It's unusual in that it's, well, fanfic. I wrote it for Wayfinder, a fanzine created by Pathfinder fans. It was read and approved by Paizo editors before publication, but it's still fanfic.

This tale is a short (under 3000 words) mystery featuring Channa Ti, the half-elf druid from the serial novella "Dark Tapestry."

Hope you enjoy the story.
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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 22 Sep 2011 :  19:58:12  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
This week the ebook "reprints" of Elfshadow, Elfsong, and Silver Shadows were released. You can get them at Amazon.com for Kindle, or from the Nook Bookstore at Barnes & Nobles. The latter is in ePub format, which makes them readable on a wide range of e-reading devices.

Also worthy of note: Elfshadow turns 20 this month. In another year, it'll be able to walk into a tavern and order elverquisst without worrying about being carded.
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Kajehase
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I suspect someone ordering elven wine might have to show his card for a different reason.

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The Sage
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Posted - 23 Sep 2011 :  06:08:12  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ElaineCunningham

Also worthy of note: Elfshadow turns 20 this month. In another year, it'll be able to walk into a tavern and order elverquisst without worrying about being carded.
Whoa. Twenty-years? I suddenly feel so old.

On the positive side, I still enjoy reading Elfshadow now, as much as I did the first time I read it.

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