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Markustay
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#1 - I know the Zhents of Zhentil keep were destroyed, but what about the Zhents elsewhere? Who is in charge of Darkhold now? Citadel of the Raven?

#2 - Where can I find out what happened to the Cormanthor Drow? I believe I read that they were all destroyed when the Elves 'came home' (BTW, that might actually be a 3e question - I didn't read that trilogy).

#3 - Have Goblinoids been affected in any major way I need know about? You know, like how Drow were affected, or how Worgs look different, or how the Locathah got meaner looking.

#4 - Are most Drow still Drow, and are they pretty much the same? What about the rest of the Underdark - any major changes there I'd need to know about?

#5 - Has technology made any advances forward, or have we actually taken a step backwards from a burgeoning Renaissance?

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#2 (sorta): As of 1375, the Cormanthor drow are powerful enough to have a continuous, low-grade war with Myth Drannor, so they apparently came through the Last Mythal trilogy mostly unscathed. I don't know what happened after, though, and will be interested to hear the answer.

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#4 All that did not become Brown are still Drow, they on average have become more Evil only because some of the Good turned into Brown. I do not recall any other changes.

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Thanks guys.

I believe it was Rich Baker over at the WotC site that said all the Cormanthor Drow were dead now, but I forgot why, or if he even said why. I think the Elves either chased them out or killed them all, and I believe all of that was related to some inquires about the 'new' Hullack forest Drow.

But I could be remembering that part all wrong - I just know they are all gone as of 4e. I suppose they could have either 'gone brown', or returned to the Underdark (a little of both, I would imagine, given those particular Drow).

I may go back to my original article - at least I know where I stand in the east - no lore there.

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Rich (and the authors of the anthology) really did not touch upon the Cormanthor drow at all during the events of the Last Mythal Trilogy from what I can remember.

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quote:
Originally posted by HawkinstheDM

Rich (and the authors of the anthology) really did not touch upon the Cormanthor drow at all during the events of the Last Mythal Trilogy from what I can remember.



They were mentioned, as I recall, but there was only a scene or two with them. Again, as I recall.

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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
#5 - Has technology made any advances forward, or have we actually taken a step backwards from a burgeoning Renaissance?



I think back in the late 1300s from 3E we had taken a step back...thus although I don't recall specific mention, I believe technology has taken a step back forward as Gunpowder exists in the realms once again (as evidenced in the Loudwater adventure as being one of the products in the Loudwater Apothecary).

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quote:
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#1 - I know the Zhents of Zhentil keep were destroyed, but what about the Zhents elsewhere? Who is in charge of Darkhold now? Citadel of the Raven?



The Zhents elsewhere do exist under Lord MAnshoon's last vampire clone.
I thought Citadel of the RAven was destroyed.


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I have question:
The Eminence of Araunt, is Araunt a name I should be familiar with, or something that was made up specifically so that this group had no ties to previous editions?.

And where can I find more information on Lod?

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#4 I remember reading that the changes to the under dark were just as cataclysmic as those on the surface if not more so, but have not seen it detailed anywhere beyond that,

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quote:
Originally posted by bagelz

The Eminence of Araunt, is Araunt a name I should be familiar with, or something that was made up specifically so that this group had no ties to previous editions?
I'd go with "made up" since this group only came into being after the Spellplague. Have you got the FRCG? There was a teaser/excerpt about "The Eminence of Araunt" at WotC back in the day before they released the 4E FR books, so it must be [more] detailed in the FRCG somewhere.

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quote:
Originally posted by bagelz

I have question:
The Eminence of Araunt, is Araunt a name I should be familiar with, or something that was made up specifically so that this group had no ties to previous editions?.

And where can I find more information on Lod?

Thanks,
Bagelz


Yes, the Eminence of Araunt is detailed in the 4E FRCG. It is a group of undead that view Tombs and Undead Lairs as a vast Empire of the Dead amongst other things...

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quote:
Originally posted by Kyrene

quote:
Originally posted by bagelz

The ...?
I'd go with "made up" since this group only came into being after the Spellplague. Have you got the FRCG? There was a teaser/excerpt about "The Eminence of Araunt" at WotC back in the day before they released the 4E FR books, so it must be [more] detailed in the FRCG somewhere.



Yes i have the 4e campaign setting, and it is not more detailed. The teaser was pretty much the exact blurb from the "threats" section. There were a couple footnotes in certain locations mentioning that these are known hangouts for Eminence members.

Side note, while looking for historical/mythological references to "Araunt" the word avaunt (french derivation, which would look pretty similar if handwritten) mean "hence, gone away, passed by". So if a dev had made some notes, then came back and tried to decipher his or her handwriting. The "Eminence of Avaunt" would be the "importance of those who have passed"
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quote:
Originally posted by bagelz

Side note, while looking for historical/mythological references to "Araunt" the word avaunt (french derivation, which would look pretty similar if handwritten) mean "hence, gone away, passed by". So if a dev had made some notes, then came back and tried to decipher his or her handwriting. The "Eminence of Avaunt" would be the "importance of those who have passed"
I think this is what I will be using in my campaign

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Thanks for the responses guys - I forgot all about this thread with everything else I have going on.

quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon

The Zhents elsewhere do exist under Lord Manshoon's last vampire clone.
I thought Citadel of the Raven was destroyed.
Is this definate?

What of Darkhold? Is it gone as well? Its fairly important for my CKC article; as in, I will have to re-think a LOT of it...

quote:
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Yes, the Eminence of Araunt is detailed in the 4E FRCG. It is a group of undead that view Tombs and Undead Lairs as a vast Empire of the Dead amongst other things...
One of the few 'juicy bits' I was able to walk away with from that tome. Like I keep saying, there were some good things in there that are very Realmsian.

Didn't they come from Returned Abeir? You know... that area Ed detailed?

BTW, good sleuthing Bagelz

And this may have given me some new play, in-case my Zhents are gone...

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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

Thanks for the responses guys - I forgot all about this thread with everything else I have going on.

quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon

The Zhents elsewhere do exist under Lord Manshoon's last vampire clone.
I thought Citadel of the Raven was destroyed.
Is this definate?

What of Darkhold? Is it gone as well? Its fairly important for my CKC article; as in, I will have to re-think a LOT of it...



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Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting, p. 106

Darkhold: West of Cormyr in the Far Hills is a high-spired keep rising from a bare rocky spur on the side of Gray Watcher Mountain. This echoing stronghold was a fortress under the control of the Zhentarim and remains so to this day, despite Zhentil Keep’s failed fortunes. Darkhold’s massive doorways, corridors, and ceilings of black stone were constructed for giants. Legends variously ascribe the keep’s construction to the days when giants ruled Faerûn or to elder elementals serving as slaves for the kingdom of Netheril.
At present, the citadel houses a force of Zhent mercenaries available for any task, no matter the perfidy required to undertake it.


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quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart

quote:
Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting Guide, p. 106

If Ashe is talking about the 4E book, which I suspect he did.

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Oops!

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LOL, I had assumed as much, given the thread-header.

Thanks Ashe.


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I knew there was one with this topic - I just didn't remember I started it.

Landrise - does anyone know if its still there? I can't see any logical reason why Ao would put it back (or Grumbar), other than 'it looked cool'. Also, I can't believe I hadn't realized this before - the lower section of the Shaar - the Western Shaar, remained primarily intact. Sure, it became a desolate wasteland, but it was still there. The Upper portion of the Shaar - the part to the east of the Underchasm - had mostly gone 'underwater', including several HUGE mountain ranges... totally underwater... as in 'below sea level'. Yet, the lower side of the Landrise (hundred-foot cliffs, remember?) did NOT go under the water at all. In fact, it gained a little land (because the Lake of Steam lost a lot of water). {Heavy Sigh}

Priapurl - This one falls-out inside the Lands Mouth. The Lands Mouth is (presumably) gone, which is fine, but the settlement is on Mike Schley's 5e map of the Heartlands. So after the whole filled-in, the town just reappeared? Is there any lore regarding its fate?

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quote:
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Casts *** Raise Scroll ***

I knew there was one with this topic - I just didn't remember I started it.

Landrise - does anyone know if its still there? I can't see any logical reason why Ao would put it back (or Grumbar), other than 'it looked cool'. Also, I can't believe I hadn't realized this before - the lower section of the Shaar - the Western Shaar, remained primarily intact. Sure, it became a desolate wasteland, but it was still there. The Upper portion of the Shaar - the part to the east of the Underchasm - had mostly gone 'underwater', including several HUGE mountain ranges... totally underwater... as in 'below sea level'. Yet, the lower side of the Landrise (hundred-foot cliffs, remember?) did NOT go under the water at all. In fact, it gained a little land (because the Lake of Steam lost a lot of water). {Heavy Sigh}

[b]Priapurl
- This one falls-out inside the Lands Mouth[/i]. The Lands Mouth is (presumeably) gone, which is fine, but the seetlement is one Mike Schley's 5e map of the Heartlands. So after the whole filled-in, the town just reappeared? Is there any lore regarding its fate?



Yeah, it would seem that what happened with the landrise is that it rose and "tilted" the land. Thus, I bet as you go eastward it slopes down. This would probably be why the river Shaar actually goes underground. Probably when the land shifted, there was an underdark tunnel (probably part of Telantiwar the dark elven civilization) and the river took to it and then exited out the land rise on the gorge where Peleveran was other side. Thus, the edge of the landrise is some of the highest points around.

I will be intrigued to see what they officially do with the area, because my assumption is not that it all collapsed and that Grumbar just filled it in. That too me grants too much power to the individual gods. My thoughts go along the lines that Grumbar pulled the land back from Abeir, which is where it had been sent. However, his moving of things isn't exactly perfect, so on the outer edges, we may have a little fluctuation of shape, etc... Meanwhile, as I mentioned in the other thread, as this was happening, Ki was anchoring nature on the other side to prevent it from getting mangled in the return.

In this concept, it would appear that the eastern Shaar was transferred to Abeir, but nothing from Abeir got transferred to Toril in this section. Given that we have Halruaa performing some ritual that shoots portions of Abeir into the shadowfell literally right next door, this could be an after effect of that, in that we had this deep pit of nothing that was the underchasm. This does bring me back to "what to do with the maw of the godswallower", and perhaps there is a good answer there. A portion of the shadowfell on Toril? We do have the Imaskari fortress very close to that Where Madryoch the Ebon Flame created the shadowstone. If we do do that though, it has to be something more than just a kingdom of shadow, otherwise it will just feel like a new Netheril. Maybe even have a portion of Ravenloft get transferred in? Wasn't there a portion of Ravenloft that actually had Bane in it? Given the whole Gilgeam/Mourktar/Bane "thing" it could prove a decent story, and provide some villains for me other than the red wizards? Maybe make the red wizards look like somewhat good guys in comparison.

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You know, I was rethinking my last 5 Shires conversion (the one where I put it above the Lake of the Long Arm). I am really in love with the idea of a halfling kingdom in that spot, and with 'Luiren refugees' (their area didn't just 'blow-up' - it took some time for all that to happen) its real easy to do in 5e. However, after much deliberation, I realized (sadly) that it would be easier just to ditch 5 Shires and create something whole cloth for that region (which I plan to do, hopefully with my old buddy Dalor Darden, for the DM's Guild). That mean losing some of Ed's cool concepts, including Black Fire, but now you got me thinking I could probably just put a 'Realms spin' on things (but NOT a conversion - something NEW).

And last night I was playing with textures (I thought there wasn't supposed to be discussion in this thread? LOL!), and I am just leaving the old MotGS as a 'Wild magic Zone', which could be like the 2e ones, or it could be like the Mournland (there's a difference?), or it could be something a little different (a place where 'the veil between the worlds' was stretched thin? So aside from the 'magical chaos', you'd also have Gates opening to other worlds and planes?)

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by HawkinstheDM

Rich (and the authors of the anthology) really did not touch upon the Cormanthor drow at all during the events of the Last Mythal Trilogy from what I can remember.



They were mentioned, as I recall, but there was only a scene or two with them. Again, as I recall.



If we're talking about the Jaezred Chaulussin (sp?), then yes, there were a couple scenes with them in Last Mythal. I haven't read anything more about them, but that's not surprising, considering the 4E stance on drow, and even though that has (thankfully) changed with 5E, they haven't really been covered, either.

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Okay, what happened to the Netherese?

I know that sounds like a rather stupid question, and I know we've probably been over it several times, but I am having a 'senior moment' right now. They're 'not around' in 5e, correct?

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There are at least 3 princes alive, but they are not a major power in 5e. Their enclaves either destroyed or went back to the Shadowfell. Potentially, they are a power there.

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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

Okay, what happened to the Netherese?

I know that sounds like a rather stupid question, and I know we've probably been over it several times, but I am having a 'senior moment' right now. They're 'not around' in 5e, correct?



Thultanthar crashed on Myth Drannor and was destroyed. As for the consequences, this is from Ed himself:

quote:
Three ambitious heirs to the rule of Thultanthar—a city that no longer exists, though there are other surviving Netherese cities that could be taken over, and plenty of newer, non-Netherese cities that could be conquered, for that matter—survive and are working together.

Two are the beautiful and cunning sisters Lelavdra and Manarlume, both daughters of Prince Dethud and therefore Princesses of Thultanthar in their own right, a pair of unscrupulous, ruthless manipulators quite willing to seduce and cozen to gain their own ways. Manarlume is the elder sister and the more thoughtful, and Lelavdra is the more assertive and impulsive; neither wants to work or govern without the other. The third is the able arcanist Gwelt, whom the Most High trusted with organizing a resistance movement to the rule of the Princes, so malcontents could be gathered, identified, and later mercilessly dealt with in relative ease.

Now calling themselves “the Three,” these young and ambitious Shadovar seek to gather together surviving Thultanthans under their command, the two women claiming their right to rule by blood inheritance, and Gwelt claiming to be carrying out the orders of the Most High—authority Telamont expressly gave to him—in asserting his right to command.

At the moment, the Three are in firm accord and consider themselves good friends, though who knows what the stresses of decision-making over time will lead to?

Their initial actions have been to find and rally surviving Thultanthans (almost threescore arcanists of low rank, and just over twenty non-Shadovar Thultanthan citizens) to “the Court of the Three,” with Gwelt doing most of the hunting down and persuading. Their professed aim was to “continue Thultanthan society in a remote refuge and to seek a new role on the altered Toril we find ourselves in, keeping to ourselves more than we did before, and devoting ourselves in the short term to finding allies, identifying foes and likely foes, and hiding ourselves until we are strong enough to withstand challenges.”

Gwelt privately advised the sisters to establish close relationships with the best survivors, to tighten their loyalty, and to set them all to seeking other survivors and likely allies (working separately and in disguise). “Our pride was our folly,” Gwelt says often. “We shall make mistakes, but let it not be that mistake, again.”

Gwelt himself traveled about on this work, while the sisters set to work building a home for all Thultanthans who want to stand with them, with cached supplies, in one of the least ruined fortresses of those that were formerly part of the Citadel of the Raven. They are using their magic to conceal themselves from (and spy upon) the handful of Zhents already there and rebuilding the central citadel, trying to judge who to co-opt, who to eliminate, and who to deceive for as long as possible.

Gwelt found many more survivors than he’d expected to, but was rebuffed by a surprising number of them; individuals who now personally find freedom from the Tanthuls to be a sudden flame of vital life and refuse to step back under the heel of anyone. From now on, they’re going it alone, or cooperating with fellow Shadovar on an individual, probably temporary basis, on their terms.

Or, in other words, Faerûn has just acquired a large new supply of independent, opportunistic “loner” wizards who are far from novices and whose world-view has been rocked (so they are changing).

For them and for Toril, the future could hold—anything.


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Rich (and the authors of the anthology) really did not touch upon the Cormanthor drow at all during the events of the Last Mythal Trilogy from what I can remember.



They were mentioned, as I recall, but there was only a scene or two with them. Again, as I recall.



If we're talking about the Jaezred Chaulussin (sp?), then yes, there were a couple scenes with them in Last Mythal. I haven't read anything more about them, but that's not surprising, considering the 4E stance on drow, and even though that has (thankfully) changed with 5E, they haven't really been covered, either.



No, the Cormanthor drow are not related to the JC. They are from the clans Jaerle and Auzkovyn (mostly Vhaeraunites), and the followers of Eilistraee.

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Edited by - Irennan on 25 Aug 2017 05:04:57
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