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Jelennet
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Posted - 17 May 2010 :  10:23:36  Show Profile Send Jelennet a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
I wonder what would happen if you kill Ao...
I've always wanted to kill him - just for FUN! He-he. My dream.
I really dislike him.
It's the most tragical thing in the Realms - that the overgod is not good, but neutral.
Have you ever wanted to KILL him? Or to murder some other Realms gods?

Edited by - Jelennet on 17 May 2010 10:48:12

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If Ao went, then he/she/it would probably take the entire cosmos with them. As for Ao being neutral as opposed to good, the idea is that Ao is basically the manager of the other gods (to whom he is, effectively, a god) and their portfolios, so he/she/it can't take sides, really.

Perhapse there could be some way to usurp Ao's power, but I imagine it would be a bit of a job.

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It's not as cool as it sounds. In a friend of mines game, my 18th lvl ArchMidget/44th lvl Pun-Pun killed Ao last week. He squeled like a girl, gushed Mountain Dew from his wounds, and exploded into 50,000,000 xp, all encapsulated in Cheezy-Poofs. After which, darkness prevailed. So I attacked it, too.

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I don't think it sounds cool. I think it sounds pleasant and funny...
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I find it interesting that PCs would even believe that they could "kill" Ao.

Ao is the Overgod. Providing stats for him/her/it so that PCs could do battle would be extremely difficult, if not impossible given the fact that, theoretically, Ao can *do* anything.

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Killing Ao would be quite easy, really. Just sneak up on the DM with a brick or poison his pizza.

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Perhaps if you were the overgod of another realm, then "maybe" you could kill Ao, or at least make him break a sweat (if he even can do such a thing).

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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

I find it interesting that PCs would even believe that they could "kill" Ao.

Ao is the Overgod. Providing stats for him/her/it so that PCs could do battle would be extremely difficult, if not impossible given the fact that, theoretically, Ao can *do* anything.



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which they only became since Jergal let them because he was bored to death :P

what happened to the queen? she's much more hysterical than usual
She's a women, it happens once a month
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I wasn't even thinking of it in a "characters in game" sense when I read the title of the scroll... more as a "what would happen if the DM decided to do away with Ao?"

So here's my answer to that question:

The Realms would carry on as they have done, from Ed's discovery of them right up until the Time of Troubles when this meddlesome prankster first made his existence known. "Tablets of Fate," indeed! Who does he think he is, Jergal? In fact, getting rid of Ao might also pre-empt the Spellplague; quite clearly, that was an event that Ao wanted to happen, otherwise it would not have.

In answer to Jelennet's original post, Cleric Generic has it right; if the Overgod were good-aligned, lesser gods of evil alignment probably just would not exist. With no gods of evil alignment, why would intelligent creatures be evil, unless they're atheists? (And that's an idea I find repugnant.) And then where would the foes for your PCs come from? Just a thought.

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Personally, I think that what would have happened had Ao been killed is the Spellplague. I think the vast reworking of the setting would have made much more sense with his death than with Mystra's. I still think that they could have sold the new setting to us (us being those who are not fans of the 4e Realms) if they had just taken more time to and put more thought into explaining many of the "whys"? That is all I am saying because I try not to rant about such things any more.
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Hrm... actually, that's an intriguing thought, Hawkins... and I agree with you entirely on everything you say after the first sentence (which is the intriguing thought). Anyway, I must tear myself away and go to work now...

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Posted - 17 May 2010 :  21:07:56  Show Profile  Click to see Sandro's MSN Messenger address Send Sandro a Private Message  Reply with Quote
SPOILER

If you've read the Avatar trilogy (maligned as it is) you'll know that Ao isn't the be all and end all: he does indeed answer to some "greater" power.

"Gods, little fishes, and spells to turn the one to the other," Mordenkainen sighed. "It's started already..."
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quote:
Originally posted by HawkinstheDM

Personally, I think that what would have happened had Ao been killed is the Spellplague. I think the vast reworking of the setting would have made much more sense with his death than with Mystra's. I still think that they could have sold the new setting to us (us being those who are not fans of the 4e Realms) if they had just taken more time to and put more thought into explaining many of the "whys"? That is all I am saying because I try not to rant about such things any more.



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quote:
Originally posted by Sandro

SPOILER

If you've read the Avatar trilogy (maligned as it is) you'll know that Ao isn't the be all and end all: he does indeed answer to some "greater" power.

And Faiths & Avatars describes Ao's superior as "A Luminous Being." But what that being is, has not been properly defined. Nor should it.

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Ao is hated by every sane player, but think about it. What would happen if there was some good aligned creature governing the realm? Remember the idealists like Tyr, Lathander, Mystra. Would you allow THEM take the reins of power? And Who better can govern the realms except for a neutral Overgod?

If you would kill Ao, then, possibly, his crystal sphere of Abeir-Toril would crack and explode. Or some new Overgod would come and destroy it and create new world in new fashion. In my opinion Bane is the only god who can make him break a sweat. He could resist the wave of power that made gods lie on the ground!

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quote:
Originally posted by Sill Alias

Ao is hated by every sane player, but think about it.
Why should they hate him? They know next to nothing about him.

Ao is supposed to remain a largely "unknown" element in terms of the Realms and the setting as a whole. He's an overpower -- unknowable. Look at what happened to the cults that grew up around Ao-worship after the ToT... they started up wanting to learn and know more about the mystery that is Ao. They, however, quickly faded and disappeared when it become apparent that Ao had no intention of answering prayers or having any type of relations with mortals.

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Jelennet
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Posted - 18 May 2010 :  08:28:10  Show Profile Send Jelennet a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Can you tell me more about this Luminous Being? It's very interesting.
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Read the Avatars series. There is nothing except that.

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quote:
Originally posted by Jelennet

Can you tell me more about this Luminous Being? It's very interesting.

As I said earlier, there's isn't much more that can be said about the Luminous Being. Aside from what's briefly mentioned at the very end of the "Avatar" trilogy and that small bit I referenced earlier from Faiths & Avatars, we know next to nothing about this entity. [That is, not including the usually accepted belief that the "Luminous Being" is, in fact, the DM]

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DM? Funny!
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Well, it's based on the premise that the DM is the ultimate authority for all that occurs in a particular Realms campaign. So, essentially, even Ao would have to "answer" to the whims of this Luminous Being/Dungeon Master.

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You make every yugoloth everywhere happy for killing an overpower. :D

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On a similar idea as "killing Ao" I think it would be cool to have a campaign, and this would be pure fantasy, even in fantasy's terms, where Ao does decide to grant the prayers of, and give power to a mortal being. How badass would a priest of Ao that Ao like, worked with, be? That would be one of those overpowered fantasies that, I for one, enjoy pondering. A priest powered by Ao. Bam. If it actually happened it would be tighter than a....something really tight.
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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by Sandro

SPOILER

If you've read the Avatar trilogy (maligned as it is) you'll know that Ao isn't the be all and end all: he does indeed answer to some "greater" power.

And Faiths & Avatars describes Ao's superior as "A Luminous Being." But what that being is, has not been properly defined. Nor should it.


Oh, aye, I was never suggesting that it should be defined. At the end of the day, as has been said, no player would know anything concrete about Ao, and they certainly would not even understand the concept of a being that could control him.

"Gods, little fishes, and spells to turn the one to the other," Mordenkainen sighed. "It's started already..."
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Upon the slaying of Ao,one is transported to Oa,Where you are given a lantern of a vibrant color with matching jewelry...
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