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Ayrik
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 Posted - 02 Jan 2011 : 15:23:37
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| Indoor hazards? All I can think of is sparks from the cooking fire, dangerous small animals, and rugburn. Rugburn sucks. |
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Arielis
Acolyte
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Posted - 02 Jan 2011 : 20:20:01
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Arguably we could say that if we hadn't begun to rely on clothing, then we would have never evolved in a way where we lost all our hair. But now I'm being so nit-picky that it's just silly.
I was just hoping for the lore! Such as a Goddess being offended by what the creatures were showing and so ordered they cover up, less they be cursed with _______________.
But perhaps such a tale is avoided due to authors avoiding over-zealous interpretations of the author's sex life. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 02 Jan 2011 : 20:36:25
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I was just hoping for the lore! Such as a Goddess being offended by what the creatures were showing and so ordered they cover up, less they be cursed with _______________.
Something like this would only work with a monotheistic pantheon. There are many different pantheons in the Realms, and a lot of them have more deities than you can readily keep track of. So if one goddess had a problem with nudity, people could readily flock to another that didn't.
We haven't really seen anything in the Realms to indicate that nudity is taboo... just that it's not all that common. |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 03 Jan 2011 : 00:00:52
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Arielis
I was just hoping for the lore! Such as a Goddess being offended by what the creatures were showing and so ordered they cover up, less they be cursed with _______________.
Something like this would only work with a monotheistic pantheon. There are many different pantheons in the Realms, and a lot of them have more deities than you can readily keep track of. So if one goddess had a problem with nudity, people could readily flock to another that didn't.
We haven't really seen anything in the Realms to indicate that nudity is taboo... just that it's not all that common.
Indeed. As Ed has noted in the past, during prior replies he's made here at Candlekeep -- One shouldn't often fall into the convenient trap of assuming that the taboos of Earth, are also the same for the Realms. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Jan 2011 : 17:24:24
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Lol, especially with deities like Sune, Loviatar, Sharess, Eilistraee, and liira running around!! (Am I the only one who's noticed that those are all FEMALE deities??!!)
Hadn't noticed. 
Of course I have wondered why monsters who polymorph or shapechange into human form gain a full set of attire. They can take these clothes off, I assume? Or do doppelgangers, dragons, and succubi always just appear nude and have to access a nearby stash of clothes (even if they have to remove them from some hapless victim)? |
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Ruul
Seeker
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Posted - 03 Jan 2011 : 18:23:57
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Alystra Illianniis
Lol, especially with deities like Sune, Loviatar, Sharess, Eilistraee, and liira running around!! (Am I the only one who's noticed that those are all FEMALE deities??!!)
Hadn't noticed.
Of course I have wondered why monsters who polymorph or shapechange into human form gain a full set of attire. They can take these clothes off, I assume? Or do doppelgangers, dragons, and succubi always just appear nude and have to access a nearby stash of clothes (even if they have to remove them from some hapless victim)?
I believe I saw it written in 3.5 that they have access to the 3rd level spell Armani's Wardrobe. |
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Arielis
Acolyte
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Posted - 03 Jan 2011 : 18:38:21
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Given the number of big-bad nasties in the Realms, I'd venture to guess that most races started wearing clothes out of necessity- protecting oneself from dragon-breath, monster claws, and the like would be a BIG incentive!!!
I see what you're saying, but now all I can imagine is two humans with leather shirt and pants high-fiving each other for making clothes and then deciding that it's time to take on those trolls. 
And while there isn't a big taboo against being nude, there is still that quote I remember reading about the dragon not understanding why humans hide their forms. So either I'm way over-analyzing one silly comment by a dragon, or that dragon hit the top of her cavern too many times to have made such a stupid remark.
But now I'm being difficult! Sorry! And thanks for the answers :D
PS- Arik's question is hilarious and one I wonder as well! |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 03 Jan 2011 : 18:42:16
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Originally posted by Arik
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Alystra Illianniis
Lol, especially with deities like Sune, Loviatar, Sharess, Eilistraee, and liira running around!! (Am I the only one who's noticed that those are all FEMALE deities??!!)
Hadn't noticed.
Of course I have wondered why monsters who polymorph or shapechange into human form gain a full set of attire. They can take these clothes off, I assume? Or do doppelgangers, dragons, and succubi always just appear nude and have to access a nearby stash of clothes (even if they have to remove them from some hapless victim)?
I've always assumed that they could form clothing as part of their shapechanging, but that said clothing would not be removable. Otherwise, they could shapechange into a naked person, and then put on clothes (which is what I'm assuming happened at that Waterdhavian festhall).
Clothing is quite often overlooked in issues of changing shape.  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 03 Jan 2011 : 18:47:40
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Originally posted by Arielis
And while there isn't a big taboo against being nude, there is still that quote I remember reading about the dragon not understanding why humans hide their forms. So either I'm way over-analyzing one silly comment by a dragon, or that dragon hit the top of her cavern too many times to have made such a stupid remark.
Well, it would be a strange concept to someone who has absolutely no need to ever cover any portion of their anatomy. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Arielis
Acolyte
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Posted - 03 Jan 2011 : 19:02:27
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Arielis
And while there isn't a big taboo against being nude, there is still that quote I remember reading about the dragon not understanding why humans hide their forms. So either I'm way over-analyzing one silly comment by a dragon, or that dragon hit the top of her cavern too many times to have made such a stupid remark.
Well, it would be a strange concept to someone who has absolutely no need to ever cover any portion of their anatomy.
You'd think they'd noticed once they'd shifted their form to human and felt that first breeze of air on their privates.
(Now this I'm teasing on! I'm aware they keep all their powers when shape-shifting!) |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Jan 2011 : 21:04:27
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| I think it may have to do with natural shae-shifting working differently than a spell, actually. Since it's a purely mental ability (meaning that it is an act of will, rather than a spell), they may be able to choose whichever they prefer, and the clothes are simply a part of the shift- and probably removable at will, I'd imagine. In simple terms- it's magic, and who to question it? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jan 2011 : 22:58:52
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Arik
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Alystra Illianniis
Lol, especially with deities like Sune, Loviatar, Sharess, Eilistraee, and liira running around!! (Am I the only one who's noticed that those are all FEMALE deities??!!)
Hadn't noticed.
Of course I have wondered why monsters who polymorph or shapechange into human form gain a full set of attire. They can take these clothes off, I assume? Or do doppelgangers, dragons, and succubi always just appear nude and have to access a nearby stash of clothes (even if they have to remove them from some hapless victim)?
I've always assumed that they could form clothing as part of their shapechanging, but that said clothing would not be removable. Otherwise, they could shapechange into a naked person, and then put on clothes (which is what I'm assuming happened at that Waterdhavian festhall).
Clothing is quite often overlooked in issues of changing shape.
I sort of play things differently. I also assume that clothing is part of shapechanging... but simple fabrics only. More complicated weaves would either require a more powerful casting, or have to be adorned completely, prior to the shape change. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 03 Jan 2011 : 23:02:43
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
I think it may have to do with natural shae-shifting working differently than a spell, actually. Since it's a purely mental ability (meaning that it is an act of will, rather than a spell), they may be able to choose whichever they prefer, and the clothes are simply a part of the shift- and probably removable at will, I'd imagine. In simple terms- it's magic, and who to question it?
This works for me to. More efficient mental capability, would result in more complicated fabrics or clothing choices during the process of shape changing. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Jan 2011 : 23:32:41
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| That might get a little complicated if a monster assumes human form primarily to make use of magical clothing, jewellery, armour (etc) designed for humans. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 03 Jan 2011 : 23:49:08
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That might get a little complicated if a monster assumes human form primarily to make use of magical clothing, jewellery, armour (etc) designed for humans.
True. But a monster would be facing that type of challenge almost regardless of the method of shapechanging involved.
I would assume that there would have to be a point in the shapechanging process -- that involves clothing -- that has to border just between the acceptable, and the simply inappropriate. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Jan 2011 : 21:20:39
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Can polymorph be used to turn yourself into another member of the same species? Change colouration (skin, hair, eyes, etc), change height or weight, change cosmetic details or facial structure, musculature, change gender? Duplicate the form of another very specific individual? Could Danny DeVito turn himself into Tom Cruise or Ahnold or Lady GaGa?
When polymorphed, do creatures always assume the form of a specific individual, ie: would a gold dragon's "natural" human form always look like a particular person (arrogant Sean Connery, or whomever, lol) ... would this pseudo-human need to employ further magics to disguise or vary his appearance? Would his elven form look very much the same (arrogant Sean Connery with pointy ears, lol). Would a human turning into an elf or dwarf still have the "same" identifying traits, facial features, general body type, etc in his new form (at least, as far as the parameters of the assumed race/form allows)?
Some creatures like dopplegangers are described as specifically being able to duplicate the form of any particular individual they desire. But why is this even mentioned unless other shapeshifters lack similar abilities? What about "generic" shifters, like wizards? |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Jan 2011 : 21:29:39
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| I think it can look however they want, but they tend to stick with one form every time. Remember, polymorph spells are from the same spell-line as disguise and alter self spells. since any self-cahnging transformation is based on the caster's "idea" of what he wants to look like, hair and eye color, height, weight, and other factors can be decided at the time of casting. Natural shape-shifters can do the same. |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Jan 2011 : 18:43:33
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Sage, do you happen to have the info from that discussion Lady K mentioned? I'm doing an excursion to Menzo campaign on another site, and wanted to send the players past the Illithid colony mentioned in Exile- but I can't seem to find a name for it anywhere.
I knew she was looking through the archives, but I didn't know for what. Now that I know, I'll take a look myself. 
Sage, have you managed to find it at all? Or should I just make up a name for it? I hunted through Exile, and could not find a name for the place, and it's not even listed in the Underdark book or any other source I could find. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2011 : 00:30:02
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Sage, do you happen to have the info from that discussion Lady K mentioned? I'm doing an excursion to Menzo campaign on another site, and wanted to send the players past the Illithid colony mentioned in Exile- but I can't seem to find a name for it anywhere.
I knew she was looking through the archives, but I didn't know for what. Now that I know, I'll take a look myself.
Sage, have you managed to find it at all? Or should I just make up a name for it? I hunted through Exile, and could not find a name for the place, and it's not even listed in the Underdark book or any other source I could find.
Sorry Alystra, I forgot about this. [No surprise there, right? ]. I'll take a look now and get back to you in an hour or so. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 08 Jan 2011 : 01:50:26
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Sage, do you happen to have the info from that discussion Lady K mentioned? I'm doing an excursion to Menzo campaign on another site, and wanted to send the players past the Illithid colony mentioned in Exile- but I can't seem to find a name for it anywhere.
I knew she was looking through the archives, but I didn't know for what. Now that I know, I'll take a look myself.
Sage, have you managed to find it at all? Or should I just make up a name for it? I hunted through Exile, and could not find a name for the place, and it's not even listed in the Underdark book or any other source I could find.
Sorry Alystra, I forgot about this. [No surprise there, right? ]. I'll take a look now and get back to you in an hour or so.
In Sage-time, that means November.
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 09 Jan 2011 : 00:34:46
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Sage, do you happen to have the info from that discussion Lady K mentioned? I'm doing an excursion to Menzo campaign on another site, and wanted to send the players past the Illithid colony mentioned in Exile- but I can't seem to find a name for it anywhere.
I knew she was looking through the archives, but I didn't know for what. Now that I know, I'll take a look myself.
Sage, have you managed to find it at all? Or should I just make up a name for it? I hunted through Exile, and could not find a name for the place, and it's not even listed in the Underdark book or any other source I could find.
Sorry Alystra, I forgot about this. [No surprise there, right? ]. I'll take a look now and get back to you in an hour or so.
In Sage-time, that means November.
Of 2014.
Whoa! Okay, nearly a day late, but... Alystra, I've looked over the discussion the Lady K was referring to. There isn't much to go on, I'm afraid... the poster simply states [I'm assuming its RAS under a different screen-name] that it was likely a location created for the novel and without a place name because it wasn't a pre-existing location within prior Realmslore.
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Alystra Illianniis
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 10 Jan 2011 : 00:27:06
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Okay, thanks anyway. It's not much to go on, so I guess I'll just come up with my own name for it. does anyone know how to create Illithid-sounding names? I've only found two mind-flayer settlements in the sources so far, and only a couple of Illithid individual names.....
The Illithiad suggests that "Illithid names are more complex than those of creatures using only one-dimensional sounds to communicate and to convey thoughts." And since telepathy allows more information about a particular name to be carried across, than simple verbal communication, I'd say, at least from the non-illithid perspective, that we have only a limited capability to perceive part of this through the name.
In other words, illithid names tend to incorporate the aspect of telepathic communication, more so than verbal, and so their names reflect that. From the outside, they may possess simple names like "Drukt" and "Sard" as The Illithiad states. But on the depper telepathic level, those names carry entirely more weight and information -- above and beyond what a non-illithid mind can comprehend.
I wouldn't think constructing place-names for illithid communities would be all that different. Though, perhaps, instead of an individual illithid's name, which transmits through telepathy -- along with the simple name -- status, Creed, and psionic ability, as I stated above, a simple place-name also telepathically carries with it:- geographic location, the size of the community, the status and power of the elder brain, and the primary Creed of influence.
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Sill Alias
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 05:44:52
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Stupid question time...
