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Jakk
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Posted - 13 May 2010 :  01:11:02  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message  Reply with Quote
***Jakk does happy dance***

Thank you, Rob!

I'm really glad this is text-based... because seriously, I can't dance, and I don't want to inflict that visual on others.

Many thanks again, Rob... and to those of you who haven't checked out Rob's other project, do so! I've started a new scroll here for comments; as noted there, my plan is to use Sorol (->direct link here<-) as the actual world of Abeir in my Realmspace; see that scroll for more details of my plans, and definitely have a look at the world itself. I was actually even more impressed by this than I was by his awesome Toril map. Seriously.

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.

Edited by - Jakk on 13 May 2010 04:44:14
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Elfinblade
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Posted - 13 May 2010 :  01:41:33  Show Profile Send Elfinblade a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Nice. Thanks
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rjfras
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Posted - 15 May 2010 :  02:02:20  Show Profile  Visit rjfras's Homepage Send rjfras a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HandsomeRob

Okay y'all new maps:
Calimshan: http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/2265/calimshan.jpg
Impiltur, the Vast, Narfell, Thesk, etc.: http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/9545/impiltur.jpg
The Shaar: http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/461/shaarg.jpg
Unther and Mulhorand: http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5980/unthermulhorand.jpg
Yehimals: http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/3504/yehimals.jpg

Enjoy!



I'm loving these maps

On the right side of the Shaar map, just east of River Azulduth is a ruin without a label. Was that intentionally left blank or just an oversight?
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Jakk
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Posted - 15 May 2010 :  06:57:32  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by rjfras

I'm loving these maps



As are we all... I was reminded, looking over these maps, of a long-standing peculiarity... the occurrence of the name "Ormpur" twice; once on the west coast of the Shaar at the western end of the Wyrmbones mountain range, and the other in Narfell between Jiyyd and N'Jast... and my search-fu is weak; the explanation eludes me, but I definitely recall that one exists (just as there is an explanation for two Ithmongs, one in Tethyr that was renamed to Darromar, and the other on the shore of Lapaliiya; that land was colonized by Tethyrians, hence the name being repeated; this is in fact an answer from Ed, paraphrased from memory; I don't recall which scroll it was answered in, but I strongly suspect 2008 or 2009, as I believe that it was one of my questions).

Edit: I believe that the Ormpur explanation has something to do with a magical portal migration from Narfell to the Shaar... and I found it: GHotR, p39:
quote:
946 DR
The armies of the Nentyarch of Tharos destroy Shandaular, capital of Ashanath. All the petty Nar kingdoms are now united into the Empire of Narfell. The people of Shandaular flee by means of the two-way portal around which their city is built, leaving their leader Arkaius behind to seal it. These people, now in the Council Hills area of the Shaar, name themselves the Arkaiuns in honor of their fallen ruler.

Hah! My search-fu is not as weak as I thought! The elusive lore will yield itself up to me, or be found anyway!

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.

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Jakk
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Posted - 15 May 2010 :  07:36:38  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HandsomeRob

quote:
Originally posted by Darkmeer

Question about the "16-section" map, if it comes to fruition, will it include the outlines of the "unknown lands," such as osse? I'm just curious if that could happen as part of this or if it's a project unto itself.

Thanks again
Steve



Yes, but just the coastlines. Having no sources to fill in the middle, I've decided not to (for the most part). Osse is blank, Katashaka is filled with "Nyambe", Anchorome is drawn from non-canon sources found on the web, Lopango is my invention (Anchorome and Lopango are only filled in because Maztica is known and they connect... otherwise I wouldn't have). There are other blank lands out there as well.
<chop>
Thanks,
-Rob



So you've not been convinced to use that other non-canon source for Osse, then? Check out the work by CK scribe Patrakis (link) on the physical geography; his Anchorome and Katashaka look somewhat different, but similar enough to what you've done, and I really like what he did with the larger islands and Osse. I'm of the opinion that the only thing we're going to get for Toril outside of Faerun is what we as a fan community come up with ourselves, and I think that Patrakis' work is the best (if not the only) source I've found for Osse and the larger islands.

If I thought an inquiry to WotC regarding their plans for Toril outside of Faerun would do any good, I'd make that inquiry. But in their approach to 4E, they have clearly demonstrated to me, at least, that Toril outside of Faerun does not exist in their plans.


Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.

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Jakk
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Posted - 15 May 2010 :  23:53:57  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Rob, any chance we can convince you *not* to leave those lands lacking canon geography with no geography at all? (See also my latest post (with link) in your "Zoomify" scroll.)

There are enough similar sources out there that producing something consistent for Osse and the larger islands is (imho) a better option than leaving them blank and featureless. A physical geography would give the CK community a starting point to produce a shared, consistent description of these lands, that may be the closest thing to canon that we ever see for them.

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If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.
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The Sage
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Posted - 16 May 2010 :  01:38:20  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jakk

There are enough similar sources out there that producing something consistent for Osse and the larger islands is (imho) a better option than leaving them blank and featureless. A physical geography would give the CK community a starting point to produce a shared, consistent description of these lands, that may be the closest thing to canon that we ever see for them.
I'd like to chip in on this project when and where I'm able, Jakk.

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Darkmeer
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Posted - 16 May 2010 :  05:10:40  Show Profile  Visit Darkmeer's Homepage Send Darkmeer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Rob: Love the work with the maps, as always.

Jakk/Sage: Interested in Osse and it's framework. What kind of lore are we talking (and if we get started, a new scroll, perhaps?)

/d

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Razz
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Posted - 23 May 2010 :  01:51:48  Show Profile  Visit Razz's Homepage  Send Razz an AOL message Send Razz a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Found this buried on the 2nd page, anything new with this lately? Curious.
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HandsomeRob
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Posted - 23 May 2010 :  02:14:50  Show Profile  Visit HandsomeRob's Homepage Send HandsomeRob a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Razz: if there are more map sections that you're looking for, let me know and I'll try to get them available next week. If you're interested in the Osse Project, check the scroll called "Project Isle" for more details.

-Rob

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Jakk
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Posted - 23 May 2010 :  03:05:40  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message  Reply with Quote
On that first note, Rob, a clip of the Golden Water area (from Luiren to Konigheim, approximately) would be brilliant; apart from that, I'm listening to WAV files of crickets to come up with thri-kreen place names. Yes, I'm kidding. I have better sources than that; the difficulty is in making it original. I used "Thri-Kreen of Athas" as a fairly major source for the racial descriptions of my thri-kreen, but it's all properly attributed, cited, etc. I *do* have some original ideas for the society of these thri-kreen, but places need names first...

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Razz
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Posted - 23 May 2010 :  04:02:07  Show Profile  Visit Razz's Homepage  Send Razz an AOL message Send Razz a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HandsomeRob

Razz: if there are more map sections that you're looking for, let me know and I'll try to get them available next week. If you're interested in the Osse Project, check the scroll called "Project Isle" for more details.

-Rob



Nothing I can think of at the moment, other than my previous request for a Kozakura map with provincial names and borders included?
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HandsomeRob
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Posted - 24 May 2010 :  15:38:37  Show Profile  Visit HandsomeRob's Homepage Send HandsomeRob a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here's the Shining South:

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/7360/shiningsouth.jpg

Razz, I considered adding the provinces of Kozakura, but they are so incredibly tiny that I decided it was best to leave them off. Perhaps someday I will do an expanded scale map of Kozakura that includes them, but for now I can only say, they don't fit.

Sorry!

-Rob

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Thauramarth
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Posted - 24 May 2010 :  15:49:41  Show Profile Send Thauramarth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HandsomeRob

Here's the Shining South:

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/7360/shiningsouth.jpg

Razz, I considered adding the provinces of Kozakura, but they are so incredibly tiny that I decided it was best to leave them off. Perhaps someday I will do an expanded scale map of Kozakura that includes them, but for now I can only say, they don't fit.

Sorry!

-Rob



Handsome Rob - Before anything else - I just want to say this: GORGEOUS MAPS! Beautiful stuff. I was wondering, though - in the maps that I have access to (current as of the Forgotten Realms Interactive Atlas, the sites from I3-5 Desert of Desolation, like the Gates of Sule, etc., are located almost dead north of Bralizzar. On your map, Bralizzar lies quite a distance to the west (about where it ought to be, according to FRIA). Was this a change brought about in 3E? Just wondering.

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HandsomeRob
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Posted - 24 May 2010 :  16:01:45  Show Profile  Visit HandsomeRob's Homepage Send HandsomeRob a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Thauramarth
I was wondering, though - in the maps that I have access to (current as of the Forgotten Realms Interactive Atlas, the sites from I3-5 Desert of Desolation, like the Gates of Sule, etc., are located almost dead north of Bralizzar. On your map, Bralizzar lies quite a distance to the west (about where it ought to be, according to FRIA). Was this a change brought about in 3E? Just wondering.



Hey thanks.
I had so much trouble reading the maps that came with Desert of Desolation. They were in some funky script I couldn't read, and I never really was able to line them up with other published maps. So my locations for that region all come from here:

http://markustay.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d1t68a7

A map provided by the ubercartographer MarkusTay.

Hope that answers your question!

-Rob

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Thauramarth
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Posted - 24 May 2010 :  16:47:08  Show Profile Send Thauramarth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HandsomeRob

quote:
Originally posted by Thauramarth
I was wondering, though - in the maps that I have access to (current as of the Forgotten Realms Interactive Atlas, the sites from I3-5 Desert of Desolation, like the Gates of Sule, etc., are located almost dead north of Bralizzar. On your map, Bralizzar lies quite a distance to the west (about where it ought to be, according to FRIA). Was this a change brought about in 3E? Just wondering.



Hey thanks.
I had so much trouble reading the maps that came with Desert of Desolation. They were in some funky script I couldn't read, and I never really was able to line them up with other published maps. So my locations for that region all come from here:

http://markustay.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d1t68a7

A map provided by the ubercartographer MarkusTay.

Hope that answers your question!

-Rob



Ah, OK. There was always a problem with Desert of Desolation, as it's basically a "foreign" adventures series that got shoehorned into the Realms. In that case, you'll probably need to put Bralizzar and the Northknife Pass further east, and have the trail from Bralizzar align with the one leading to the Gates of sule, much like MarkusTay has done. Other than that: no comments ;

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Joran Nobleheart
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Posted - 25 May 2010 :  00:20:11  Show Profile  Visit Joran Nobleheart's Homepage Send Joran Nobleheart a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Perhaps a map of Evermeet if you have the time?

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Razz
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Posted - 25 May 2010 :  00:45:10  Show Profile  Visit Razz's Homepage  Send Razz an AOL message Send Razz a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HandsomeRob

Here's the Shining South:

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/7360/shiningsouth.jpg

Razz, I considered adding the provinces of Kozakura, but they are so incredibly tiny that I decided it was best to leave them off. Perhaps someday I will do an expanded scale map of Kozakura that includes them, but for now I can only say, they don't fit.

Sorry!

-Rob



LOL Silly me, I should've been more clear. I understand the current map is too small for them, what I did mean was what you actually suggested. A separate link to a "zoomed" or "expanded" version of Kozakura displaying the provincial borders and names. :D That's something I look forward to!
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Jakk
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Canada
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Posted - 25 May 2010 :  03:13:03  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HandsomeRob

Here's the Shining South:

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/7360/shiningsouth.jpg

<snip>

-Rob



Thanks, Rob!

I've just recovered my system from three hours of downtime; I was trying to fix my sound, and ended up causing the system to blue-screen on boot... back up and running now, without a reinstall, fortunately... but still without sound, apart from fully functional hardware tests and the basic system beep... very odd...

Edit: I was perusing my newly-updated patchwork map, and I found another couple of corrections for you, Rob. The god-tombs in Unther should be named for the gods Marduk and Nergal. Also in that region: If you're going to keep the River of Swords as the border between Unther and Mulhorand, then Unthalass should still be the capital of Unther. Otherwise, if Messemprar is the capital of Unther, the Mulhorand-Unther border should be somewhere west and north of Unthalass, if not the River of Metals/Methmere itself (which would force Messemprar to the north bank of the river; I'm not sure on that city's precise canon location, either).

Can other scribes help out with the details of the 3E Unther-Mulhorand border, please?

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.

Edited by - Jakk on 25 May 2010 04:56:54
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Marco Volo
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Posted - 25 May 2010 :  13:40:26  Show Profile Send Marco Volo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Can I have a map of the Sea of Fallen Star please ?
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HandsomeRob
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Posted - 25 May 2010 :  16:13:05  Show Profile  Visit HandsomeRob's Homepage Send HandsomeRob a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Probably the smallest map I've been asked for yet:
Evermeet: http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/2452/evermeet.jpg

And possibly the biggest:
Sea of Fallen Stars: http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/6685/fallenstars.jpg

Enjoy!
-Rob

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Jakk
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Canada
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Posted - 25 May 2010 :  19:28:19  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HandsomeRob

<snip>
And possibly the biggest:
Sea of Fallen Stars: http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/6685/fallenstars.jpg

Enjoy!
-Rob



drool... when I asked for the missing bits of Impiltur, Aglarond, and the Vilhon Reach earlier, this is exactly what I was looking for... but I didn't want to be greedy.

Thank you both, Rob (for giving us this treasure) and MarcoVolo (for being bold enough to ask for it)!

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If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.
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dragonfriend
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Italy
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Posted - 25 May 2010 :  22:11:37  Show Profile  Visit dragonfriend's Homepage Send dragonfriend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Why is the neck between the dragonmere and the sea of fallen stars so thin? nearly a river. So different from the original 3e Faerun map .

Just curious, thanks
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HandsomeRob
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Posted - 26 May 2010 :  00:38:46  Show Profile  Visit HandsomeRob's Homepage Send HandsomeRob a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It's from here:
http://markustay.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d1xuip9

Probably shouldn't have used that one, though. Perhaps the I'll fix that region up a bit for the next version.

-Rob

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Joran Nobleheart
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Posted - 26 May 2010 :  03:19:00  Show Profile  Visit Joran Nobleheart's Homepage Send Joran Nobleheart a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thank you for the map of Evermeet, Rob.

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