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The Cardinal
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Ok, I'm going to try to recap a bit on the 'How many planes connect to the realms' theories.
In General we're asking what other CS can be reached from the realms, using cannon right?
We Know Sigil can fo sure (?) and from there we can access others
Is that the Just of it? Oh and I believe it was Bookwyrm who also mentioned the celestial staircase right? I mentioned my own inane babble rants, and... I think the Ethereal and Astral ( that's what i got from Sage's recomendations for books to look for).
It that the just of it or have I totally gone off track?


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Arivia
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Here I come to clear things up:
According to official D&D/FR canon, the only way to actually reach alternate campaign settings is by traveling through the Plane of Shadow. In this topic, we've discussed many other options, including adding Realms links to the Endless Staircase/Celestial Staircase or to Union, or finding a portal to the Realms in Sigil. The reason for the cross-campaign setting links being dropped in 3rd ed is the separate cosmology change. In the Manual of the Planes, it tells about how each campaign setting now has its own cosmology. The Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting didn't help, presenting a very brief section on the Realms' cosmology, and then proceeding to confuse new players with notes on Realmspace. Admittedly,the separate cosmology change gave the creators of new campaign settings more to play around with, but did eliminate the carefully created system of cross campaign setting links created in 2nd edition, and further expanded upon with the Planescape campaign setting. The Planescape campaign setting, as presented in its original texts, no longer works in D&D because of the separate cosmology change. The Great Wheel still exists, it's just now associated with the core D&D campaign setting. Sage, correct me if I've made any errors.
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William of Waterdeep
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Posted - 19 Sep 2003 :  08:03:29  Show Profile  Visit William of Waterdeep's Homepage  Click to see William of Waterdeep's MSN Messenger address Send William of Waterdeep a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think I understand.Although I may only think I do.But because Forgotten Realms is 3e and Planescape and some of the others are still
waiting on 3e they split them because of rule differances.If I am correct then will 3.5 widen this.

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The Sage
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Actually Arivia, that is pretty much all correct .



As a matter of note, the 3e FR cosmology has never had any basis in my FR campaigns. I have always used the planar cosmology first outlined in the 1e DMG, and 1e MotP. Of course the material was expanded upon with 2e, and then the whole 'Spelljammer/Crystal Sphere/Planescape' cosmology amalgamated the entire AD&D multiverse into a unique whole. That made things easier to run when adventures and campaigns crossed over between different campaign settings.

Unique events in the separate campaign settings sometimes nullified this connection though. For example, refer to the Chaos War and 'loss' of Krynn to the standard mulitverse cosmology, or the inability to access Athasspace from the Flow.

All the campaigns that I have run and will run all use the modified 3e PS cosmology as presented in 3e MotP. This will likely change with the 3e PSCS, but until that time I am happy to use the tools that are available at the moment.



Cardinal Deimos said -
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We Know Sigil can fo sure (?) and from there we can access others
Is that the Just of it? Oh and I believe it was Bookwyrm who also mentioned the celestial staircase right? I mentioned my own inane babble rants, and... I think the Ethereal and Astral
There are a number of other possibilities, but they are not canon, and therefore unofficial. I could list a few if anybody is interested, I just need to access my archives.


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William of Waterdeep
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Sage of Perth(QUOTE:)
There are a number of other possibilities, but they are not canon, and therefore unofficial. I could list a few if anybody is interested, I just need to access my archives.
______________________________________________________________________

William replies:

Please do Sage!!! I think you are like Spock on StarTrek,your posts
are very good and If not canon it probably should be.

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The Sage
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I am at work at the moment, so I will see about posting some other examples later tonight, or if not then, tomorrow.


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William of Waterdeep
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Posted - 20 Sep 2003 :  21:53:22  Show Profile  Visit William of Waterdeep's Homepage  Click to see William of Waterdeep's MSN Messenger address Send William of Waterdeep a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Must be nice to have a job that allows time to go the forums.
Just messing with ya Sage!!! ON the serious side...I have a poster with the original factions on one side and "The Powers by Plane",
on the other side. Many of the deities are from Toril.For example*The Grey Waste:Cyric,Mask,and Shar are named.I'm am guessing that this
too has changed with 3e.

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Arivia
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Yes, it has. Currently, according to the Manual of the Planes, no deities make their home on Hades. Shar and Mask have made their home on the Shadow Plane, while Cyric rules The Supreme Throne. If you want to, I can send you a list of where I've moved the FR deities to on the Great Wheel.
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William of Waterdeep
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Arivia,Yes thanks. That would be most appreciated.
My email is the one I use for Candlekeep but I will give it to you
so you can upload files to me.... willtim@Catt.com

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Arivia
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It should take about an hour.
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William of Waterdeep
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Thank you,I am grateful for your help.I realize that you are very well
up to date and highly knowledgable with D&D ,not just The Forgotten
Realms.I am amazed that one so young is so knowledgable and bow before
you with respect.Keep up the good work!!!

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Arivia
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Posted - 20 Sep 2003 :  23:00:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the compliments.
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Arivia
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I've got some bad news. The list in question for some reason has disappeared, which means I have to troll through some old campaign logs and the like to recompile it. I'll still do it, but the wait will be longer. Sorry about the delay, William.
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William of Waterdeep
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Posted - 21 Sep 2003 :  03:51:02  Show Profile  Visit William of Waterdeep's Homepage  Click to see William of Waterdeep's MSN Messenger address Send William of Waterdeep a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Arivia

I've got some bad news. The list in question for some reason has disappeared, which means I have to troll through some old campaign logs and the like to recompile it. I'll still do it, but the wait will be longer. Sorry about the delay, William.



Oh I'm mad now...he he ha. Its no problem, I am thankful that you are willing to do it.Take your time,no need to rush.When you get it compiled then send it to me, I'll be at the same adress.

The compliment is the truth. I like to give flowers to the living.I admire you because you deserve it.

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Edited by - William of Waterdeep on 21 Sep 2003 03:58:17
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Arivia
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Wow...I've never been admired before...feels good...*snaps out of weird trance* All the benefits of playing D&D for half my life, literally...I love them...
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William of Waterdeep
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Posted - 21 Sep 2003 :  19:18:12  Show Profile  Visit William of Waterdeep's Homepage  Click to see William of Waterdeep's MSN Messenger address Send William of Waterdeep a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well I look at it this way...Arivia,I wasted a lot of my life with lets say undesirable habits and traits.So continue to focus on D&D,
there people who will tell you its bad but those people don't know bad.I could write a true life adventure using myself as the charactor
but I am ashamed of my past and would rather it stay that way.
(remember Valygar in BG2 asking you I people could trully
change.I am a living example of changing for the better)

I admire you because I believe you will follow a better path than I did.So keep up the good work my friend,I for one am proud to call you
my friend.

Courage isn't the lack of fear but rather believing in and doing what you know is right even though fear is present.



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Fibura Gauntlet
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As I recall, the 2e adventure For Duty and Deity took the PCs to the Abyss via the Infinite/Celestial Staircase. I think it was an attempt to lure more players out onto the Planes

You can download it for free from the WotC site.

Out of date now, of course, but interesting nonetheless

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Cult_Leader
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Yes. 3rd and second both have ways to cross planes and such. In 3rd if you look at the magical items you will find a cube. This cube can save links to other realms. Nifty huh? Not only this but it is easy to make a plane hopping game, why? Because there is magic in the world of D&D. Yep. Magic.*Many ooo's and ahhh's*

Now first Iw ill point out the six sides cube hehe. *Flips out a lich lazer and points it at all six sides of the cube* Each one can open a gate way to a plane that you or it's past oner has been to. THis can be dangerous or useful, THink about it, you can make portals to Hell ( the level on which Devils are thank you veery much, the rest of them are not LE ), Anyway, Then leave one open to mount celestiral or celstriest, depending on what your DM wants to call it lol. Put up signs that say, Pay toll of one gold to enter Celest. Or pay one gold to enter Hell. Hey their are natural enimies who are LG and LE. They will pay the tool to use your portal. * More ooo's and ahhh's* Not only that but they only stay dead if they are kiled on their home plain hehehe... So some of your "customers" will be back again once or twice. Anyway, someone gets mad a you, Click on your cube and BAMPH... your in a new dimension and realm. Just like that. And its not random. Hey you might even find a place known only as Pillow Palace for all I know. Its happened..... A giant Realm of Pillow Talk. . Not that I wanted any part of it caus eit was ran by a red dragon.... Who used to be the leader of darksun. Yeah ... that means he is a high level wizard.... *shivers* Anyway. This just goes to show that you cna pull off realm hopping no matter what.


In second edition in a game I was in, We used a Magial map and watch we had found to jump from realm to realm. Nice game. Try something like it some time.

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William of Waterdeep
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Thanks Cult_Leader,Guess if I ever go with 3e then I will have to look into the magic cube.So its a portable portal!!! What will those wizards think of next.Actually reminds me of something like that used in PS Torment pc game.To go see the Grey hag....forgot her name.I remember her question.
"What can change the nature of a man?"

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William of Waterdeep
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(*The statement below is a joke*)
More planes connect than you might think.I called Delta Airlines and asked them if they went to Castle Greyhawk from Waterdeep.I was assured that I could go anywhere I wanted with complete comfort and
saftey.LOL <--(you may have to be from the U.S.A to get that.)

On the serious side....The night Hag from the Grey waste is Ravel Puzzelwell. A great portal with other portals that you berks may wish
to look at. http://www.deathwyrminn.com/

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cpthero2
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Good afternoon Master Sage,

I like to think I at least have a basic understanding of the Forgotten Realms, but I must admit, that planar knowledge is definitely my weakest area of study.

Regarding this initial question: have you ever heard of any finite list of portals or other similar means of transport to the planes from the Realms? In this case, disregarding options such as Plane Shift, Wish, or other forms of magic.

Best regards,



quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

You could probably still contribute to the Far Realms discussion William. Given the chaotic and undisciplined nature of the 'plane', anything is possible.

Also, the Far Realms are mentioned in other 3e materials, they are small mentions yes, but they are there. Just look for them.




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Ayrik
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Realmslore describes some mechanisms for reaching the planes - the World Serpent Inn, the Infinite Staircase, etc. Alongside countless gates, portals, pools, wells, and other linkages.
If you're reading/playing Realms-based campaigns then you'll find descriptors based on the Realms perspective - all the Realmslore describes these gates/etc in the context of who/what is on the "other" side and who/what travels through - they assume travellers will want to return home.

But some of these conduits are parts of larger (or infinite) constructs in Planescape and some are just "typical" examples of convenient or inconvenient cosmic litter.
If you're reading/playing Planescape-based campaigns then you'll get all the planeslore from the perspective of savvy planeswalkers - who consider the Realms only one of countless mudball Primes hardly interesting enough to visit, assuming they even know of the Realms at all - the Realms is, at best, only one stopping point on an endless journey.

The more focus you put on other planes/worlds, the less focus you'll put on the Realms, lol.

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Edited by - Ayrik on 28 Sep 2018 02:21:42
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cpthero2
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Great Reader Ayrik,

I believe you were responding to me, so I'll just assume that and reply!

I am definitely familiar with planes based locations and what not. What I should have clarified is my lack of knowledge into the deeper science aspects, i.e. how the magic works, why it works that way, how the planes relate and function in a deep manner. As opposed to simply the mechanisms, I like focusing on the sociological, psychological, economic, legal, and other such aspects. You are correct though as well, regarding the economic opportunity cost of reading on the planes. I am not willing to exchange epic Realms reading for the planes stuff. Moar Realms.....

As always, thank you for your well thought out reply.

Best regards,




quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

Realmslore describes some mechanisms for reaching the planes - the World Serpent Inn, the Infinite Staircase, etc. Alongside countless gates, portals, pools, wells, and other linkages.
If you're reading/playing Realms-based campaigns then you'll find descriptors based on the Realms perspective - all the Realmslore describes these gates/etc in the context of who/what is on the "other" side and who/what travels through - they assume travellers will want to return home.

But some of these conduits are parts of larger (or infinite) constructs in Planescape and some are just "typical" examples of convenient or inconvenient cosmic litter.
If you're reading/playing Planescape-based campaigns then you'll get all the planeslore from the perspective of savvy planeswalkers - who consider the Realms only one of countless mudball Primes hardly interesting enough to visit, assuming they even know of the Realms at all - the Realms is, at best, only one stopping point on an endless journey.

The more focus you put on other planes/worlds, the less focus you'll put on the Realms, lol.


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sleyvas
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quote:
Originally posted by cpthero2

Good afternoon Master Sage,

I like to think I at least have a basic understanding of the Forgotten Realms, but I must admit, that planar knowledge is definitely my weakest area of study.

Regarding this initial question: have you ever heard of any finite list of portals or other similar means of transport to the planes from the Realms? In this case, disregarding options such as Plane Shift, Wish, or other forms of magic.




There is no definitive list of all the portals. Also, there is no constant for the number of portals. They're constantly being created, destroyed, or simply going dormant for centuries. Also, as the hierarchy of the planes have changed, so have the portals been "ripped" asunder. Gathering a list of them from across editions would be possibly of interest to some, but its use would be limited. It might be worthwhile to note certain portals though possibly that come into fairly constant use. That being said, at one point, Ed was writing articles for WotC about portal networks in the realms (think it was called the Perilous Gateways articles). Below is a link to Wizard's archive for such articles. Again, since the spellplague and now the sundering, many of these may no longer function.


http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/archfr/pg

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cpthero2
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Great Reader sleyvas,

Wow, now that is an epic source of material. I had no idea it was there. Thank you for sharing that! This is one of the many reasons I love digging back into this older but still very relevant material.

I am definitely going to get into those articles right there. I'm going to get those archived for myself as well since who knows how much longer they will be there with the avarice that WotC has for older materials.

Best regards as always!



quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

quote:
Originally posted by cpthero2

Good afternoon Master Sage,

I like to think I at least have a basic understanding of the Forgotten Realms, but I must admit, that planar knowledge is definitely my weakest area of study.

Regarding this initial question: have you ever heard of any finite list of portals or other similar means of transport to the planes from the Realms? In this case, disregarding options such as Plane Shift, Wish, or other forms of magic.




There is no definitive list of all the portals. Also, there is no constant for the number of portals. They're constantly being created, destroyed, or simply going dormant for centuries. Also, as the hierarchy of the planes have changed, so have the portals been "ripped" asunder. Gathering a list of them from across editions would be possibly of interest to some, but its use would be limited. It might be worthwhile to note certain portals though possibly that come into fairly constant use. That being said, at one point, Ed was writing articles for WotC about portal networks in the realms (think it was called the Perilous Gateways articles). Below is a link to Wizard's archive for such articles. Again, since the spellplague and now the sundering, many of these may no longer function.


http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/archfr/pg


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